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RE: Is the B1G getting aggresive on recruiting FSU??
(12-14-2023 12:12 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
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(12-09-2023 12:36 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(12-09-2023 12:17 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I personally don't see what the gain is for UNC.

Basketball is already top notch in the ACC. And UNC is basically never going to be a top program in football on a consistent basis. And they are surrounded by academic peers in a geographically sound conference.

Adding UNC also does little for the Big10.

Disagree. The B1G added Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers for crying out loud. UNC is coveted for academics, football and hoops. Hoops is through the roof as I live in the state. Throw in state flagship and a growing population currently 9th in the US.

Academics plays no role in this.

Academics only gets brought up on message boards and when trying to exclude schools like Boise State.

In reality it never matters in conversations like UNC to the Big 10. The only thing that matters is will the $$$ increase by adding them or lower? No one is going to vote to lower their media payout because they have good academics.

Bro. Message to ya. USC academics mattered to the B1G. Yes, it wasn't the sole, primary, ultimate thing. But it mattered. Notice I listed several factors for UNC that included other areas than academics.

(12-16-2023 12:21 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(12-14-2023 09:54 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  NC right now is split on B10 and SEC. If SEC shows no signs of adding B10 very easily could get them. FSU to Big makes sense, SEC not so much. I wouldn't be at all surprised by an FSU, NC or Va add. Hard to say what comes next with 2 of those gone. Depends on what happens $$ wise for them to leave.

Clemson, UM, VT, Pitt to B12 could make sense. and might even increase B12 Tv by 2 to 5 mil per team. Would really work if SEC decided to add 2, NC VT maybe, then replace VT with UL.

Virginia, North Carolina and Florida State to the B1G could happen if the money can be arranged. UNC is the only school of the three that would need a moment to consult its oracles first. Up to 3 additional schools would happily jump with that trio.

FSU’s situation has some unique dimensions to it in comparison to other prime ACC schools hoping to move to the P2. FSU’s relationship with the ACC has soured to the point of irreconcilable differences. Forced bonding only perpetuates the negativity. ESPN has the power with the ACC and the SEC to arrange a plausible deal. Letting conflict fester is not a solution, and not in the ACC’s interest for the long term. ESPN would be wise to keep their assets stable and content.
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RE: Is the B1G getting aggresive on recruiting FSU??
ESPN values its control over the state of Florida. If Florida St and Miami are Sabre rattling regarding the Big 10, it might be reasonable for the mouse to facilitate Florida St/Clemson to the SEC and eat the cost of paying two more SEC shares than to risk losing its sunshine state hegemony.

The ACC backfills with USF/UConn/Tulane, giving them reduced shares while the rest pocket the difference.
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RE: Is the B1G getting aggresive on recruiting FSU??
(12-16-2023 06:58 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(12-14-2023 12:12 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(12-13-2023 11:35 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(12-09-2023 07:57 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(12-09-2023 12:36 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Disagree. The B1G added Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers for crying out loud. UNC is coveted for academics, football and hoops. Hoops is through the roof as I live in the state. Throw in state flagship and a growing population currently 9th in the US.

Academics plays no role in this.

Academics only gets brought up on message boards and when trying to exclude schools like Boise State.

In reality it never matters in conversations like UNC to the Big 10. The only thing that matters is will the $$$ increase by adding them or lower? No one is going to vote to lower their media payout because they have good academics.

Bro. Message to ya. USC academics mattered to the B1G. Yes, it wasn't the sole, primary, ultimate thing. But it mattered. Notice I listed several factors for UNC that included other areas than academics.

(12-16-2023 12:21 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(12-14-2023 09:54 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  NC right now is split on B10 and SEC. If SEC shows no signs of adding B10 very easily could get them. FSU to Big makes sense, SEC not so much. I wouldn't be at all surprised by an FSU, NC or Va add. Hard to say what comes next with 2 of those gone. Depends on what happens $$ wise for them to leave.

Clemson, UM, VT, Pitt to B12 could make sense. and might even increase B12 Tv by 2 to 5 mil per team. Would really work if SEC decided to add 2, NC VT maybe, then replace VT with UL.

Virginia, North Carolina and Florida State to the B1G could happen if the money can be arranged. UNC is the only school of the three that would need a moment to consult its oracles first. Up to 3 additional schools would happily jump with that trio.

FSU’s situation has some unique dimensions to it in comparison to other prime ACC schools hoping to move to the P2. FSU’s relationship with the ACC has soured to the point of irreconcilable differences. Forced bonding only perpetuates the negativity. ESPN has the power with the ACC and the SEC to arrange a plausible deal. Letting conflict fester is not a solution, and not in the ACC’s interest for the long term. ESPN would be wise to keep their assets stable and content.

ESPN controls nothing after 2036 at this point, and Magnus has made it abundantly clear that he's not wasting money increasing an already agreed-upon deal. Who knows what happens in the next round of contracts. Could ESPN hoover up all of the B1G and SEC? Maybe. Could they strike out on both while focusing all their energy on the CFP and smaller conferences (and NBA and NFL)? Maybe. Could Amazon buy up the SEC content while Apple gets the B1G in 2030? Maybe. I'm 100% in favor of FSU to the SEC, and I'd prefer that it happen sooner rather than later, but FSU's relationship with the ACC is not ESPN's business and it's certainly not ESPN's problem to fix.
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RE: Is the B1G getting aggresive on recruiting FSU??
(12-16-2023 11:02 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  ESPN values its control over the state of Florida. If Florida St and Miami are Sabre rattling regarding the Big 10, it might be reasonable for the mouse to facilitate Florida St/Clemson to the SEC and eat the cost of paying two more SEC shares than to risk losing its sunshine state hegemony.

The ACC backfills with USF/UConn/Tulane, giving them reduced shares while the rest pocket the difference.

It will take more than sabre-rattling. The sabre will need to be out and preparing to strike, as in FSU has already announced they're leaving the ACC on a specific date and their is a reasonable expectation that they're getting a B1G invite, for ESPN to start to pay more than casual attention to this.
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RE: Is the B1G getting aggresive on recruiting FSU??
(12-16-2023 11:07 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(12-16-2023 06:58 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(12-14-2023 12:12 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(12-13-2023 11:35 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(12-09-2023 07:57 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Academics plays no role in this.

Academics only gets brought up on message boards and when trying to exclude schools like Boise State.

In reality it never matters in conversations like UNC to the Big 10. The only thing that matters is will the $$$ increase by adding them or lower? No one is going to vote to lower their media payout because they have good academics.

Bro. Message to ya. USC academics mattered to the B1G. Yes, it wasn't the sole, primary, ultimate thing. But it mattered. Notice I listed several factors for UNC that included other areas than academics.

(12-16-2023 12:21 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(12-14-2023 09:54 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  NC right now is split on B10 and SEC. If SEC shows no signs of adding B10 very easily could get them. FSU to Big makes sense, SEC not so much. I wouldn't be at all surprised by an FSU, NC or Va add. Hard to say what comes next with 2 of those gone. Depends on what happens $$ wise for them to leave.

Clemson, UM, VT, Pitt to B12 could make sense. and might even increase B12 Tv by 2 to 5 mil per team. Would really work if SEC decided to add 2, NC VT maybe, then replace VT with UL.

Virginia, North Carolina and Florida State to the B1G could happen if the money can be arranged. UNC is the only school of the three that would need a moment to consult its oracles first. Up to 3 additional schools would happily jump with that trio.

FSU’s situation has some unique dimensions to it in comparison to other prime ACC schools hoping to move to the P2. FSU’s relationship with the ACC has soured to the point of irreconcilable differences. Forced bonding only perpetuates the negativity. ESPN has the power with the ACC and the SEC to arrange a plausible deal. Letting conflict fester is not a solution, and not in the ACC’s interest for the long term. ESPN would be wise to keep their assets stable and content.

ESPN controls nothing after 2036 at this point, and Magnus has made it abundantly clear that he's not wasting money increasing an already agreed-upon deal. Who knows what happens in the next round of contracts. Could ESPN hoover up all of the B1G and SEC? Maybe. Could they strike out on both while focusing all their energy on the CFP and smaller conferences (and NBA and NFL)? Maybe. Could Amazon buy up the SEC content while Apple gets the B1G in 2030? Maybe. I'm 100% in favor of FSU to the SEC, and I'd prefer that it happen sooner rather than later, but FSU's relationship with the ACC is not ESPN's business and it's certainly not ESPN's problem to fix.

Pitaro (not Magnus) is not going to allow properties which contribute to ESPN's domination of advertising profits in a region to simply defect to his competitor either! FSU's whole strategy is to threaten the heart of ESPN's profit structure, upset its #1 asset in the process, all in order to make a deal. At some point it's a matter of either calling FSU's hand and hope they are bluffing or risk millions of dollars in revenue if they actually let a competitor into a solidly owned market in a key state impacting both ESPN's rights holdings and the market value of their top asset. Is 35 million in pro rata and finding a solution with the ACC more onerous than the potential losses? That's the whole game. 35 million to FSU through a move to the SEC costs both FSU and ESPN a helluva lot less than a defection to FOX and the Big 10 by FSU.

FSU could not threaten to go the SEC because ESPN controls that. The only way they can get ESPN's cooperation to leave the ACC is to threaten to go where their move costs both FSU and ESPN a pile of money. And if the SEC were not to be interested in FSU they would certainly be interested in maintaining the dominance and control over the markets their member schools represent by simply taking them.

To make any threat credible, one must be dedicated to carrying it out. The noise is as much leverage as FSU can bring until a less costly solution for all concerned is found. If they get the concession to have ESPN negotiate their exit under the condition that it costs far less to FSU, that they keep their minor sports in the Southeast where the overhead is much less, and that they can make a move without borrowing half a billion, they will make the most cost-efficient move possible, and the SEC will take them. They are slightly above our average in Total Revenue earned per member, at our average in attendance, and they meet a need for more games scheduled in the state of Florida and add value. And they know this.

The most impressive part of FSU's threat is that if ESPN doesn't act to end the threat through a collaboration and their move to FOX damages the SEC's market value in Florida, ESPN will not have lost one school, but quite possibly its major acquisition and asset come 2034.

And all of that is against the backdrop of the lawsuits and potential damages from the cases brought against the NCAA.

IMO, Pitaro, or Iger would be a complete dolt not to deal with this more trivial matter by resolving it. Besides ESPN has some bones buried on past matters where FSU is concerned, and the Seminoles are not without potential weapons to bring to bear in that regard.

For many reasons which I'm personally suspicious about, I find this whole situation compelling, and already mishandled. But it could get much worse and not acting would be the height of arrogance and folly on Pitaro's and Iger's part. I have my popcorn ready; I just hope I don't have to chase it with a single malt!
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RE: Is the B1G getting aggresive on recruiting FSU??
(12-07-2023 10:43 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I belong to a facebook group that also takes an interest in college sports realignment, and one of the members posted a tweet about Clemson, but I found a tweet inside a tweet that was more interesting about FSU and thought I would share the link to the tweet:

https://twitter.com/Genetics56/status/17...8815870447



P.S. : below is the tweet on Clemson &...FSU!!


Let’s revisit this.

So if FSU moves to the B10, they will get $424.7M for the next 10 years. If the exit fee is $120M or so, the net revenue would be $304.7M. I think this is FSU’s worst case scenario, which basically means a buy out of the GoR.

To be clear, that amount is LOWER than the money FSU would receive from the ACC if it stays in the ACC by more than $200 million.

But FSU is probably banking on some kind of settlement. And even if FSU loses the legal case and has to buy out, they can survive with some loan from the B10/private equity.

So I guess FSU leadership decided it’s worth the gamble. If they win, they get money AND the BIG membership. If they lose, their cash flow is diminished but they still get the membership.
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