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This is Juicy. Wonder if the Senator has subpoena power on the information he is demanding from CFP.

Could be hard pressed to explain some of their ranking decisions, and the inconsistency.

Didn't want to start a new thread ... but it looks like there is going to be a lot of pressure on CFP to be more consistent and transparent.

Political pandering in college football. A banner year in 2023.

(12-05-2023 05:52 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Didn't want to start a new thread ... but it looks like there is going to be a lot of pressure on CFP to be more consistent and transparent.

So there you have it, the state covers the cost of the litigation. Wondering who had to cover the cost of our AG getting our case all prepared to then have Alger get cold feet.

(12-04-2023 06:29 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  This is Juicy. Wonder if the Senator has subpoena power on the information he is demanding from CFP.

Could be hard pressed to explain some of their ranking decisions, and the inconsistency.

Rick Scott, Ron DeSantis…insert the political name of your choice…they’ll pander to the lowest common denominator. The dust will settle, and yet the aggrieved fans will still whine about the injustice done to their team for decades. In the meantime, back in the real world where facts matter, the made-up, non-NCAA National Championship in D1 football will be bestowed on one of the following: Michigan, Washington, Texas or Alabama. Pick your poison.

In an aside, some of the oldsters on the board will recall the controversy over Texas being named the NC in 1969, a trophy bestowed with the blessing of President Nixon, when Penn State was similarly undefeated. I’m sure some PSU fans still feel pissed about that slight.

(12-05-2023 11:02 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 05:52 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Didn't want to start a new thread ... but it looks like there is going to be a lot of pressure on CFP to be more consistent and transparent.

So there you have it, the state covers the cost of the litigation. Wondering who had to cover the cost of our AG getting our case all prepared to then have Alger get cold feet.

There were two ways we could have filed:
1) the students at the defendants
2) the university as the defendants

The students route would not have been as strong of a case, and would likely not have been adjudicated fast enough to make a difference for the CCG. We were postured for the University to be the defendant and the expenses would have been on JMU's dime.

As a court case, this seems like a very unwinnable case.
For years it has been based on opinions. For years teams have been left out. Not saying its right, but nobody has ever tried to take the CFP to court over it.
The only way this would be a case is if the CFP was purposefully leaving Florida State out to hurt them.
Based on the interview on ESPN, their reasoning has at least some rationale to it. They believed Florida State wasn't the same team without their starting QB. Not sure how you create a case that would make the CFP liable.
The NCAA were the ones that had it as a 4 team playoff. You could argue that they are more to blame than the CFP. But even that is a stretch.

"FSU knew the rules!!!!!"

(12-06-2023 10:42 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  As a court case, this seems like a very unwinnable case.
For years it has been based on opinions. For years teams have been left out. Not saying its right, but nobody has ever tried to take the CFP to court over it.
The only way this would be a case is if the CFP was purposefully leaving Florida State out to hurt them.
Based on the interview on ESPN, their reasoning has at least some rationale to it. They believed Florida State wasn't the same team without their starting QB. Not sure how you create a case that would make the CFP liable.
The NCAA were the ones that had it as a 4 team playoff. You could argue that they are more to blame than the CFP. But even that is a stretch.

"FSU knew the rules!!!!!"

If the Senator is able to subpoena the information he requested, or if a court case goes to discovery, they could find a smoking gun.

Either way, the entire process is coming under scrutiny, and they may be pushed to make the selections less subjective.

(12-06-2023 10:17 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 11:02 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 05:52 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Didn't want to start a new thread ... but it looks like there is going to be a lot of pressure on CFP to be more consistent and transparent.

So there you have it, the state covers the cost of the litigation. Wondering who had to cover the cost of our AG getting our case all prepared to then have Alger get cold feet.

There were two ways we could have filed:
1) the students at the defendants
2) the university as the defendants

The students route would not have been as strong of a case, and would likely not have been adjudicated fast enough to make a difference for the CCG. We were postured for the University to be the defendant and the expenses would have been on JMU's dime.

I think you mean "as the plaintiffs".

The Commonwealth of Va could also claim to be a damaged party - given the revenue lost by the bowl (purse, tickets, general commerce, notoriety, increased out-of-state tuition base) the state's budget is being negatively affected by JMU's exclusion from (interstate commerce) the Fiesta Bowl.

it's still a policy in violation of the Sherman antitrust law, and the fact that the NCAA applies its policies inconsistently (seeUNC's waiver, Michigan's wrist-slap for cheating, Liberty's no-conference waiver, and JMU's "sike" waiver) adds to the illegality of its de jure monopoly on bowls. The fact that JMU was allowed into any bowl game through its Tier 4 rule merely lessens, but does not entirely remove, the financial damage done to the state.

(12-06-2023 10:53 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(12-06-2023 10:42 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  As a court case, this seems like a very unwinnable case.
For years it has been based on opinions. For years teams have been left out. Not saying its right, but nobody has ever tried to take the CFP to court over it.
The only way this would be a case is if the CFP was purposefully leaving Florida State out to hurt them.
Based on the interview on ESPN, their reasoning has at least some rationale to it. They believed Florida State wasn't the same team without their starting QB. Not sure how you create a case that would make the CFP liable.
The NCAA were the ones that had it as a 4 team playoff. You could argue that they are more to blame than the CFP. But even that is a stretch.

"FSU knew the rules!!!!!"

If the Senator is able to subpoena the information he requested, or if a court case goes to discovery, they could find a smoking gun.

Either way, the entire process is coming under scrutiny, and they may be pushed to make the selections less subjective.

The thing here that matters is not that there's a smoking gun of the CFP screwing over FSU. The thing about discovery is that they get to demand access to EVERY email that the NCAA has sent for the last couple of years.

Suppose there's an email that anyone wrote at the top of the NCAA saying "if <<some issue we hadn't heard about>> gets out, it'll make the Larry Nasser situation look like a walk in the park", that becomes a public record.

Suppose there's "well, the thing is that Jerry Falwell Jr technically owns that jet we like to take to Bimini, and he'd be kinda upset if we put JMU into the Fiesta bowl instead of Liberty.", that becomes a public record.

You don't need to find the smoking gun that wins your case. You need to find any gun that's been fired recently and publish it, and that becomes the NCAA's image problem, of which they already have several.