PAC12 Bowls Possible New Destinations:

The Alamo BIG12 vs SEC (replaces Cotton Bowl for Non CFP teams)
Las Vegas BIG10 vs SEC (replaces Rose Bowl for Non CFP teams)
Holiday ACC vs BIG10
Sun ACC vs BIG12
Los Angeles ACC vs MWC (to include OSU & WSU via scheduled alliance similar to ND & ACC)

(11-22-2023 10:38 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  PAC12 Bowls Possible New Destinations:

The Alamo BIG12 vs SEC
Las Vegas BIG10 vs SEC
Holiday ACC vs BIG10
Sun ACC vs BIG12
Los Angeles ACC vs MWC (to include OSU & WSU via scheduled alliance similar to ND & ACC)

That's my guess as well.

(11-22-2023 10:33 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 10:29 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

Quote: The five bowl games with Pac-12 tie-ins are exploring the possibility of changing conference affiliations for the 2024 and 2025 seasons, according to Brett McMurphy. The Alamo, Las Vegas, Holiday, Sun, and Los Angeles bowls are already in discussions with other conferences. according to McMurphy.

Also note that "exploring options" is not a guarantee that all of them can or will change the affiliation. It wouldn't be shocking, for example, if the bowls that are more lucrative have stronger contract protection and the lower payout bowls who were chasing the PAC-12 harder have weaker contract protection.

Because the Pac-12 will lose two-thirds of its membership after this season, the bowls’ contracts allow them to revisit those deals: So WSU & OSU might be able to keep the LA Bowl vs MWC! but that is about it (that might be hard to do).... Lets not over think this common sense wins the day!

I was pointing out that your "allows them to revisit" is not the guarantee that "all of them can and will abandon the affiliation" that, on past experience, is the false summary that some would arrive at.

...may have been hashed out elsewhere, but... with the expanded playoffs, are there any bowls in danger of disappearing? I would realistically think at least a couple would not make it thru next season - but with that, there's always new ones popping up, so... a wash in the big picture?

They should just divvy up the bowl bids proportionately to where the schools went. Based on this year’s bowls tie-ins.

7 Bids

NY6 bid folds into the CFP.

6 Other Bids
- 2 to the B1G (Holiday Bowl vs ACC; Alamo Bowl vs XII)
- 2 to the XII (Las Vegas Bowl vs B1G; LA Bowl vs MWC)
- 1 to the ACC (Independence Bowl vs XII)
- 1 to wherever Oregon St and Washington St go (let’s presume MWC) (Sun Bowl vs ACC)

(11-25-2023 10:56 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...may have been hashed out elsewhere, but... with the expanded playoffs, are there any bowls in danger of disappearing? I would realistically think at least a couple would not make it thru next season - but with that, there's always new ones popping up, so... a wash in the big picture?

With the NY6 schools added to the QF games, the first round games are four added games. If they go with home game QF in the 2006 contract, it seems like it may filter down to some pre Christmas bowls shouldered aside.

(11-25-2023 10:56 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...may have been hashed out elsewhere, but... with the expanded playoffs, are there any bowls in danger of disappearing? I would realistically think at least a couple would not make it thru next season - but with that, there's always new ones popping up, so... a wash in the big picture?

I can see that, but i also could see all the bowls sticking around.....

Where CFP games will be played
The lower seed has the opportunity to select the host venue during the first round. Bowl games will be introduced in the quarterfinal round. The semifinals will be played in bowls on a rotating basis while the national championship host site is determined through bids by prospective host sites.

Bowl games

CFP officials stated that the four quarterfinal games and two Playoff Semifinal games will be played in bowls on a rotating basis.

2024 quarterfinals: Fiesta Bowl, Peach Bowl, Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl
2024 semifinals: Cotton Bowl and Orange Bowl
2025 quarterfinals: Cotton Bowl, Orange Bowl, Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl
2025 semifinals: Fiesta Bowl and Peach Bowl

So I could see where the rest of the bowls stick around... But I could see a few disappear also....It will be interesting to see how it shakes out.


Link
https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/artic...edule-bids

KTSM 9 NEWS
Sun Bowl to keep ACC and partner with Big12 or Big10 per report

Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5fhtRIoJws

“If it comes to that, obviously, the Big 12 makes a lot of sense because geographically, a lot of the schools are closer to El Paso than some of the other ones, but the Big Ten has a great menu of schools as well,” Executive Director Bernie Olivas said. “I think either one would be fantastic. We’ve been associated with both conferences in the past and they were both great conferences to work with. They’ve both sent us some fabulous schools to play in the Sun Bowl.”


Link
https://www.ktsm.com/sports/local-sports...ntegrates/

What will happen with the Pac-12’s bowl tie-ins?
Five bowls with Pac-12 tie-ins are reportedly looking into options with potential disintegration of the league
By Brandon Judd



Link
https://www.deseret.com/2023/8/8/2382481...t-byu-utah

(11-25-2023 10:56 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...may have been hashed out elsewhere, but... with the expanded playoffs, are there any bowls in danger of disappearing? I would realistically think at least a couple would not make it thru next season - but with that, there's always new ones popping up, so... a wash in the big picture?

The NCAA has not set their rules for post-season football. Currently, the CFP final is specified as an extra game.

It would be simplest to specify the entire playoff as extra games (e.g., 12 teams, 11-games, 3-round playoff). Even if a quarterfinal was called the Rose Bowl, it would not be a "bowl game" for accounting purposes.

That would reduce the number of "bowl games" from the current 41 to 35, while reducing the number of bowl-eligible teams by 12 (i.e., if you are playoff team, you aren't bowl eligible).

Let's say that we do end up with 82 bowl-eligible teams this year for 41 bowl games. Under revised accounting we would have 70 bowl-eligible teams for 35 bowl games. We would lose the NY6 games which would now be playoff, but also the teams that currently play them.

So the remaining bowl games would have the same quality as they do now.

ESPN owns most of the minor bowl games, which they can run in December for relatively minor cost. If they get the rights to the first round in early/mid-December would they drop a couple of bowl games. What alternative programming do they have?

There will be three more FBS schools next year. With around 63% teams being bowl-eligible, there would likely be two more bowl-eligible schools.

Four pretty good teams will lose in the first round of the CFP. Would they be flat in a consolation bowl? Or would a bowl like the Gator or Alamo or Sun Bowl prefer teams that might be 10-3 or 9-4 rather than 7-5 ?

(11-25-2023 09:24 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(11-25-2023 10:56 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...may have been hashed out elsewhere, but... with the expanded playoffs, are there any bowls in danger of disappearing? I would realistically think at least a couple would not make it thru next season - but with that, there's always new ones popping up, so... a wash in the big picture?

The NCAA has not set their rules for post-season football. Currently, the CFP final is specified as an extra game.

At least for the next 2 years, no change. The NY6/CFP will still be 12 teams utilizing 6 bowls.

I’ve not heard/read how the extra rounds will be written into the NCAA rules. Anyone know if it has happened yet or when it will?