Mountain West Schedule worked out perfectly for a train wreck at the end.

Standings:
UNLV 6-1
Air Force 5-2
Boise State 5-2 (beat SJSU earlier in season)
San Jose St 5-2

Final Week Matchups:
Air Force at Boise State
SJSU at UNLV

Boise State controls their own destiny; if they beat Air Force at home they are in.
Boise State Head Coach Andy Avalos has already been terminated.

They also should have beaten UCF and Memphis (lost both games for special teams reasons) this year, which would have put them in a NY6 Bowl. I don't think they should have fired the guy, but it is what it is. It's pretty easy to win in Boise because they have the only good football program in the Mountain West.

(11-20-2023 02:03 PM)Sparty Baby 84 Wrote:  They also should have beaten UCF and Memphis (lost both games for special teams reasons) this year, which would have put them in a NY6 Bowl. I don't think they should have fired the guy, but it is what it is. It's pretty easy to win in Boise because they have the only good football program in the Mountain West.

Not so.

Boise State has won only three of the past ten MWC football titles, the most recent being in 2019.

Fresno State has also won three, the most recent being last season.

San Diego State has won two, most recently in 2016, and the other two were won by San Jose State and Utah State in 2020 and 2021 respectively.

The MWC is typically pretty strong at the top, with at least three or four closely-matched contenders, which is why its champion keeps missing out on qualifying for the NY6 bowl. It's hard for any team to get through the conference schedule unscathed.

(11-20-2023 01:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Mountain West Schedule worked out perfectly for a train wreck at the end.

Standings:
UNLV 6-1
Air Force 5-2
Boise State 5-2 (beat SJSU earlier in season)
San Jose St 5-2

Final Week Matchups:
Air Force at Boise State
SJSU at UNLV

Boise State controls their own destiny; if they beat Air Force at home they are in.
Boise State Head Coach Andy Avalos has already been terminated.

Rooting for AF and of course SJSU

(11-20-2023 02:03 PM)Sparty Baby 84 Wrote:  They also should have beaten UCF and Memphis (lost both games for special teams reasons) this year, which would have put them in a NY6 Bowl. I don't think they should have fired the guy, but it is what it is. It's pretty easy to win in Boise because they have the only good football program in the Mountain West.

If Boise State was the only good football program in the Mountain West, Andy Avalos would still have a job. Boise State has won one conference title in the past five seasons.

(11-20-2023 04:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 02:03 PM)Sparty Baby 84 Wrote:  They also should have beaten UCF and Memphis (lost both games for special teams reasons) this year, which would have put them in a NY6 Bowl. I don't think they should have fired the guy, but it is what it is. It's pretty easy to win in Boise because they have the only good football program in the Mountain West.

If Boise State was the only good football program in the Mountain West, Andy Avalos would still have a job. Boise State has won one conference title in the past five seasons.

What is the greatest football accomplishment of any non-Boise State team in the Mountain West? Fresno State playing 2005 USC close if I had to guess.

All conferences produce a conference champion every year. Congrats to those other programs for winning the Mountain West during Boise State's down years. Meanwhile Boise State did more in the WAC than any current Mountain West program has done in football the last 100 years. Is this an off year for Boise? Yes. And they still might win the conference anyway.

(11-20-2023 05:11 PM)Sparty Baby 84 Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 04:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 02:03 PM)Sparty Baby 84 Wrote:  They also should have beaten UCF and Memphis (lost both games for special teams reasons) this year, which would have put them in a NY6 Bowl. I don't think they should have fired the guy, but it is what it is. It's pretty easy to win in Boise because they have the only good football program in the Mountain West.

If Boise State was the only good football program in the Mountain West, Andy Avalos would still have a job. Boise State has won one conference title in the past five seasons.

What is the greatest football accomplishment of any non-Boise State team in the Mountain West? Fresno State playing 2005 USC close if I had to guess.

All conferences produce a conference champion every year. Congrats to those other programs for winning the Mountain West during Boise State's down years. Meanwhile Boise State did more in the WAC than any current Mountain West program has done in football the last 100 years. Is this an off year for Boise? Yes. And they still might win the conference anyway.

But they are not the only good football program in the MWC. They never have been, and you just admitted it. Boise State has a good football program and they have won three conference titles in the past ten years in the MWC. Some other good team won the other seven titles. This is not the WAC. Boise State has five losses this season, four losses last season, and five losses in 2021. They lost 27-10 at UTEP in 2022. They got crushed at Washington, 56-19 this season. The recruiting has slipped. They are just another good team in the conference, and they need to beat Air Force to sneak into the conference championship game.

(11-20-2023 04:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 02:03 PM)Sparty Baby 84 Wrote:  They also should have beaten UCF and Memphis (lost both games for special teams reasons) this year, which would have put them in a NY6 Bowl. I don't think they should have fired the guy, but it is what it is. It's pretty easy to win in Boise because they have the only good football program in the Mountain West.

If Boise State was the only good football program in the Mountain West, Andy Avalos would still have a job. Boise State has won one conference title in the past five seasons.

The outcome for this season is TBD. They won 2 titles from 2017-2022 and played in 3 other title games. Fresno St won 2 and played in 1 other CCG, just as comparison.

Boise is our best win so Go Boise! Beat AF!

lol Why did Boise State fire its head coach again?

(11-20-2023 09:48 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  lol Why did Boise State fire its head coach again?

They think they should be Alabama.

(11-21-2023 02:02 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 09:48 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  lol Why did Boise State fire its head coach again?

They think they should be Alabama.

lol Good one.

(11-20-2023 09:48 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  lol Why did Boise State fire its head coach again?

2nd year in a row losing to Fresno State.

Can’t lose those rivalry games

(11-20-2023 07:35 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 04:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 02:03 PM)Sparty Baby 84 Wrote:  They also should have beaten UCF and Memphis (lost both games for special teams reasons) this year, which would have put them in a NY6 Bowl. I don't think they should have fired the guy, but it is what it is. It's pretty easy to win in Boise because they have the only good football program in the Mountain West.

If Boise State was the only good football program in the Mountain West, Andy Avalos would still have a job. Boise State has won one conference title in the past five seasons.

The outcome for this season is TBD. They won 2 titles from 2017-2022 and played in 3 other title games. Fresno St won 2 and played in 1 other CCG, just as comparison.

But they are not the only good team in the MWC. Boise State won conference championships in 2017 and 2022. Fresno State won in 2018 and 2022. San Diego State won in 2015 & 2016. San Jose State won in 2020 and Utah State won in 2021. They cannot be the only good team in the MWC and have two conference championships over the past eight seasons.

Boise State is one of four teams with a shot at making the CCG. UNLV is probably in win or lose this weekend and they will likely host the CCG. Boise State needs to beat Air Force and hope UNLV beats SJSU. If SJSU beats UNLV, then they could get into the CCG due to the tiebreaker, which are the computer rankings. If Air Force beats Boise State, they are in.

One year, Fresno State, Boise State and UNR tied as the conference champs in the WAC with Hawaii almost tied with them. That was the year the WAC had like 4 teams in the top 25 ranked at one time.

The problem is not all the WAC rivals got put in the same division of the MWC conference. Boise State's rivals were Fresno State, UNR, Hawaii and Idaho. Fresno State, Hawaii and UNR to the west, and Boise State to the east hurt the rivalry games as we speak. Idaho was not needed. The only school that Boise State played every year that they played in the WAC was Utah State.

(11-21-2023 11:23 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 07:35 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 04:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 02:03 PM)Sparty Baby 84 Wrote:  They also should have beaten UCF and Memphis (lost both games for special teams reasons) this year, which would have put them in a NY6 Bowl. I don't think they should have fired the guy, but it is what it is. It's pretty easy to win in Boise because they have the only good football program in the Mountain West.

If Boise State was the only good football program in the Mountain West, Andy Avalos would still have a job. Boise State has won one conference title in the past five seasons.

The outcome for this season is TBD. They won 2 titles from 2017-2022 and played in 3 other title games. Fresno St won 2 and played in 1 other CCG, just as comparison.

But they are not the only good team in the MWC. Boise State won conference championships in 2017 and 2022. Fresno State won in 2018 and 2022. San Diego State won in 2015 & 2016. San Jose State won in 2020 and Utah State won in 2021. They cannot be the only good team in the MWC and have two conference championships over the past eight seasons.

Theres different levels of “good”. You cant lump all these programs together. Theres some differences in winning percentages and title game appearances.

Ranked by winning % since 2017


Win % CCG
Boise St 55-19 .743 2-3
San Diego St 50-24 .676 0-1
Fresno St 49-24 .671 2-1
Air Force 44-25 .638
Utah St 42-30 .583 1-0
Wyoming 38-32 .543
Nevada 35-37 .486
Hawaii 35-41 0-1 .461
San Jose St 27-42 1-0 .391
Colorado St 21-44 .323
UNLV 20-46 .303
New Mexico 15-52 .224

(11-21-2023 07:34 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 11:23 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 07:35 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 04:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 02:03 PM)Sparty Baby 84 Wrote:  They also should have beaten UCF and Memphis (lost both games for special teams reasons) this year, which would have put them in a NY6 Bowl. I don't think they should have fired the guy, but it is what it is. It's pretty easy to win in Boise because they have the only good football program in the Mountain West.

If Boise State was the only good football program in the Mountain West, Andy Avalos would still have a job. Boise State has won one conference title in the past five seasons.

The outcome for this season is TBD. They won 2 titles from 2017-2022 and played in 3 other title games. Fresno St won 2 and played in 1 other CCG, just as comparison.

But they are not the only good team in the MWC. Boise State won conference championships in 2017 and 2022. Fresno State won in 2018 and 2022. San Diego State won in 2015 & 2016. San Jose State won in 2020 and Utah State won in 2021. They cannot be the only good team in the MWC and have two conference championships over the past eight seasons.

Theres different levels of “good”. You cant lump all these programs together. Theres some differences in winning percentages and title game appearances.

Ranked by winning % since 2017


Win % CCG
Boise St 55-19 .743 2-3
San Diego St 50-24 .676 0-1
Fresno St 49-24 .671 2-1
Air Force 44-25 .638
Utah St 42-30 .583 1-0
Wyoming 38-32 .543
Nevada 35-37 .486
Hawaii 35-41 0-1 .461
San Jose St 27-42 1-0 .391
Colorado St 21-44 .323
UNLV 20-46 .303
New Mexico 15-52 .224

We have moved from, "It's pretty easy to win in Boise because they have the only good football program in the Mountain West," to there are different levels of good. Boise State has a good football program. From 2006 through 2013 under Chris Petersen, they had a great football program, going 92-12 in eight seasons under Petersen. They were hard to beat, and Petersen had the talent to compete with anyone. They have 14 losses in the past three seasons, with some really bad blowout losses. They have not been the same since Petersen left.

The recruiting has been slipping. Until this season, Boise State had the advantage of being in the Mountain division, which meant they did not have to play Fresno State or San Diego State every season and they did not have to fight them for a division title. They had an easier path to the CCG. They are just a good football team and nothing special anymore. Boise State traveled to El Paso in 2022 and lost to UTEP, 27-10. That was a 5-7 UTEP team. Let's not pretend that they are on a different level of good over the other MWC teams.

(11-21-2023 08:26 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 07:34 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 11:23 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 07:35 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 04:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  If Boise State was the only good football program in the Mountain West, Andy Avalos would still have a job. Boise State has won one conference title in the past five seasons.

The outcome for this season is TBD. They won 2 titles from 2017-2022 and played in 3 other title games. Fresno St won 2 and played in 1 other CCG, just as comparison.

But they are not the only good team in the MWC. Boise State won conference championships in 2017 and 2022. Fresno State won in 2018 and 2022. San Diego State won in 2015 & 2016. San Jose State won in 2020 and Utah State won in 2021. They cannot be the only good team in the MWC and have two conference championships over the past eight seasons.

Theres different levels of “good”. You cant lump all these programs together. Theres some differences in winning percentages and title game appearances.

Ranked by winning % since 2017


Win % CCG
Boise St 55-19 .743 2-3
San Diego St 50-24 .676 0-1
Fresno St 49-24 .671 2-1
Air Force 44-25 .638
Utah St 42-30 .583 1-0
Wyoming 38-32 .543
Nevada 35-37 .486
Hawaii 35-41 0-1 .461
San Jose St 27-42 1-0 .391
Colorado St 21-44 .323
UNLV 20-46 .303
New Mexico 15-52 .224

We have moved from, "It's pretty easy to win in Boise because they have the only good football program in the Mountain West," to there are different levels of good. Boise State has a good football program. From 2006 through 2013 under Chris Petersen, they had a great football program, going 92-12 in eight seasons under Petersen. They were hard to beat, and Petersen had the talent to compete with anyone. They have 14 losses in the past three seasons, with some really bad blowout losses. They have not been the same since Petersen left.

The recruiting has been slipping. Until this season, Boise State had the advantage of being in the Mountain division, which meant they did not have to play Fresno State or San Diego State every season and they did not have to fight them for a division title. They had an easier path to the CCG. They are just a good football team and nothing special anymore. Boise State traveled to El Paso in 2022 and lost to UTEP, 27-10. That was a 5-7 UTEP team. Let's not pretend that they are on a different level of good over the other MWC teams.

Peterson was never going to stay longer than he did. Harsin's success was solely in riding the shadow of Peterson. Avalos was a disaster. The biggest issue of the last two hires, in my opinion, is the "Michigan Man" concept of only seriously considering coaches who were players at Boise State.

The fans want Peterson back because with him at the helm? He could actually lead them back to the top, and a shot into the Big 12 again. Their AD and President are being there to put that as a goal to get them in there. Boise State does deserved to be in a P5 or P4. Networks should not have a say. Look at Colorado and Arizona? Both disasters on the field.

(11-25-2023 03:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The fans want Peterson back because with him at the helm? He could actually lead them back to the top, and a shot into the Big 12 again. Their AD and President are being there to put that as a goal to get them in there. Boise State does deserved to be in a P5 or P4. Networks should not have a say. Look at Colorado and Arizona? Both disasters on the field.

Networks foot the bill. They have the ultimate say.

And with that comment, I'm assuming you are now agreeing that Boise St aint drawing any eyeballs since the "networks" dont seem to want them?

Boise St is reaping exactly what they sowed; they acted like football diva's. INstead of remaining in what has been THE P6 conference in football, they decided to reneg on that for a very little short term small monetary gain. And in doing so they choked off their future. Just as was predicted would happen.