(11-19-2023 09:02 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  

(11-19-2023 08:31 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(11-19-2023 03:28 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

Seems logical and probably what most are thinking, but don’t want to post it. Similarities… A program that consistently wins more than anyone else and is hated by peers for their incredible success.

It has been 10 years since the advent of the CFP and playoff determined champs in FBS. Alabama has won 3 titles (and lost 3) in the last decade with a best-in-class record of 125-13.
Nobody can match their consistent greatness.

James Madison is only 106-22 in that timeframe so they aren’t quite as good as Alabama.

I thought CrApp State might have something near it, but they don’t at 96-34. Pretty good, but not as good as Alabama or James Madison

As far as Vanderbilt’s equivalent, it is obviously Louisiana-Monroe. Perennial bottom feeders that are only allowed to stay in the conference due to a nostalgic reasoning and to keep an even number of teams for ease of scheduling.

No. ULM is here because they have the heart of a champion despite being in the poorest place a program can be. But they don't whine about the rules. They don't gloat about how great they are when they pull off a great win. They just show up and play. They support their fellow conference members. They don't crap on everything around them. Maybe you should watch and learn.

I don't know why people are always crapping on ULM....they've got that one thing nobody else does:

(11-19-2023 11:03 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Your team’s B1G equivalents

A few that come to mind:

Ga. State = Rutgers (Marketz)
App = Penn State (passionate, large fan base, in the mountains)
Coastal Carolina = UCLA (Beach, baby! And adorable, though not intimidating, color scheme)
Marshall = Nebraska (DEEPLY loyal fans with proud history)
JMU = Washington (Color scheme, passionate fans, proud past and and present)
Ga. Southern = Iowa (Has won league titles, up and down performance wise)
ODU = Purdue (still known more for hoops history but put can score big upsets in FB)

Troy = Michigan (Championships span multiple decades in their league, lots and lots of wins)
USA = Michigan State (Solid program usually that gets overshadowed by in state rival)
Southern Miss = Wisconsin (Proud program winning for a long time but has been out of contention as of late)
Louisiana = Oregon (Multiple helmet styles, Best seasons have been recently)
ULM = Minnesota (Similar colors, national titles decades ago but usually in bottom half of the league)
Arkansas State = Maryland (Lots of success in the past but lost a lot of footing. Colors also match.)
TXST = Indiana (Beautiful stadium, bad performance on field, 2023 notwithstanding for the Bobcats)

No one gets to be Ohio State or USC. Illinois and Northwestern were the others I skipped.

Funny thing about Maryland is they twice had three year runs of winning the ACC.

It's not a bad comparison but suggests you are my age or older (57). Most anyone younger wouldn't remember Maryland being good, since they've not won a league title since 2001. They won 10 ACC titles 1951-2001.

AState six Sun Belt 2005-2016 and outside the 9 year run 2011-2019 have not been consistent at all which plays to historic Maryland.

AState had a 9 year bowl streak which was third longest in FBS behind Boise State and San Diego State. 9 is tied for 43rd longest in Division I history. The challenge of G5 is sustaining. We've missed three and back again.

All-time bowl appearance streaks for G5.
1. Boise State 18
2. BYU 17
3. BYU 12
4T. USM 10
4T. SDSU 10
4T Memphis 10 (counting expected bid this year)
7. A-State 9
8T Navy 8
8T Nevada 8
8T Northern Illinois 8
11T. App State 7
11T. UCF 7 (streak is active if they reach six but they are now P5 so I say ends at 7)
11T Fresno State
11T Louisiana Tech

For active streaks we've got Memphis leading G5 going to 10 this year. UAB's six year streak ends, fate of Marshall's 6 is determined on Saturday. The Fate of Louisiana's streak goes to six this year. Liberty and Western Kentucky go to 5.

JMU = Tennessee

- Neither have won a title in current configuration (BCS and FCS)
- Both are everyone’s 2nd or 3rd rival but we think everyone is our 1st
- Both are ready to take over the world and tell you about it every Sept 1st

(11-20-2023 12:00 AM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(11-19-2023 09:02 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  

(11-19-2023 08:31 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(11-19-2023 03:28 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

Seems logical and probably what most are thinking, but don’t want to post it. Similarities… A program that consistently wins more than anyone else and is hated by peers for their incredible success.

It has been 10 years since the advent of the CFP and playoff determined champs in FBS. Alabama has won 3 titles (and lost 3) in the last decade with a best-in-class record of 125-13.
Nobody can match their consistent greatness.

James Madison is only 106-22 in that timeframe so they aren’t quite as good as Alabama.

I thought CrApp State might have something near it, but they don’t at 96-34. Pretty good, but not as good as Alabama or James Madison

As far as Vanderbilt’s equivalent, it is obviously Louisiana-Monroe. Perennial bottom feeders that are only allowed to stay in the conference due to a nostalgic reasoning and to keep an even number of teams for ease of scheduling.

No. ULM is here because they have the heart of a champion despite being in the poorest place a program can be. But they don't whine about the rules. They don't gloat about how great they are when they pull off a great win. They just show up and play. They support their fellow conference members. They don't crap on everything around them. Maybe you should watch and learn.

I don't know why people are always crapping on ULM....they've got that one thing nobody else does:

While we haven't done it since 2000, we have pulled it off 5 times.

(11-19-2023 11:03 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Your team’s B1G equivalents

A few that come to mind:

Ga. State = Rutgers (Marketz)
App = Penn State (passionate, large fan base, in the mountains)
Coastal Carolina = UCLA (Beach, baby! And adorable, though not intimidating, color scheme)
Marshall = Nebraska (DEEPLY loyal fans with proud history)
JMU = Washington (Color scheme, passionate fans, proud past and and present)
Ga. Southern = Iowa (Has won league titles, up and down performance wise)
ODU = Purdue (still known more for hoops history but put can score big upsets in FB)

Troy = Michigan (Championships span multiple decades in their league, lots and lots of wins)
USA = Michigan State (Solid program usually that gets overshadowed by in state rival)
Southern Miss = Wisconsin (Proud program winning for a long time but has been out of contention as of late)
Louisiana = Oregon (Multiple helmet styles, Best seasons have been recently)
ULM = Minnesota (Similar colors, national titles decades ago but usually in bottom half of the league)
Arkansas State = Maryland (Lots of success in the past but lost a lot of footing. Colors also match.)
TXST = Indiana (Beautiful stadium, bad performance on field, 2023 notwithstanding for the Bobcats)

No one gets to be Ohio State or USC. Illinois and Northwestern were the others I skipped.

Just waiting for Coastal to bust out the bronze helmets...pure intimidation there.

(11-20-2023 08:30 AM)TealNation Wrote:  

(11-19-2023 11:03 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Your team’s B1G equivalents

A few that come to mind:

Ga. State = Rutgers (Marketz)
App = Penn State (passionate, large fan base, in the mountains)
Coastal Carolina = UCLA (Beach, baby! And adorable, though not intimidating, color scheme)
Marshall = Nebraska (DEEPLY loyal fans with proud history)
JMU = Washington (Color scheme, passionate fans, proud past and and present)
Ga. Southern = Iowa (Has won league titles, up and down performance wise)
ODU = Purdue (still known more for hoops history but put can score big upsets in FB)

Troy = Michigan (Championships span multiple decades in their league, lots and lots of wins)
USA = Michigan State (Solid program usually that gets overshadowed by in state rival)
Southern Miss = Wisconsin (Proud program winning for a long time but has been out of contention as of late)
Louisiana = Oregon (Multiple helmet styles, Best seasons have been recently)
ULM = Minnesota (Similar colors, national titles decades ago but usually in bottom half of the league)
Arkansas State = Maryland (Lots of success in the past but lost a lot of footing. Colors also match.)
TXST = Indiana (Beautiful stadium, bad performance on field, 2023 notwithstanding for the Bobcats)

No one gets to be Ohio State or USC. Illinois and Northwestern were the others I skipped.

Just waiting for Coastal to bust out the bronze helmets...pure intimidation there.

What in the wide world of Riddell is that???


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(11-20-2023 08:58 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 08:30 AM)TealNation Wrote:  

(11-19-2023 11:03 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Your team’s B1G equivalents

A few that come to mind:

Ga. State = Rutgers (Marketz)
App = Penn State (passionate, large fan base, in the mountains)
Coastal Carolina = UCLA (Beach, baby! And adorable, though not intimidating, color scheme)
Marshall = Nebraska (DEEPLY loyal fans with proud history)
JMU = Washington (Color scheme, passionate fans, proud past and and present)
Ga. Southern = Iowa (Has won league titles, up and down performance wise)
ODU = Purdue (still known more for hoops history but put can score big upsets in FB)

Troy = Michigan (Championships span multiple decades in their league, lots and lots of wins)
USA = Michigan State (Solid program usually that gets overshadowed by in state rival)
Southern Miss = Wisconsin (Proud program winning for a long time but has been out of contention as of late)
Louisiana = Oregon (Multiple helmet styles, Best seasons have been recently)
ULM = Minnesota (Similar colors, national titles decades ago but usually in bottom half of the league)
Arkansas State = Maryland (Lots of success in the past but lost a lot of footing. Colors also match.)
TXST = Indiana (Beautiful stadium, bad performance on field, 2023 notwithstanding for the Bobcats)

No one gets to be Ohio State or USC. Illinois and Northwestern were the others I skipped.

Just waiting for Coastal to bust out the bronze helmets...pure intimidation there.

What in the wide world of Riddell is that???


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You all are leaving out TX and OU in this little brother exercise...

I'd tag JMU as TX - everything schools with tons of hotties. Football is always in the mix / ready to break through

OU is tougher....the new look Bobcats and USA both remind me of them

(11-20-2023 10:22 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  You all are leaving out TX and OU in this little brother exercise...

I'd tag JMU as TX - everything schools with tons of hotties. Football is always in the mix / ready to break through

OU is tougher....the new look Bobcats and USA both remind me of them

Doesn't JMU typically suck in baseball? You have to at least be average in everything to be an everything school.

(11-19-2023 03:28 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

Nah, Georgia is on top currently

MTSU and WKU are Georgia Tech and Tulane
LaTech is Sewanee

But what is your school’s SBC equivalent?

(11-20-2023 11:15 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  But what is your school’s SBC equivalent?

APP - OT slugest decided by inches...

(11-20-2023 11:11 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  MTSU and WKU are Georgia Tech and Tulane
LaTech is Sewanee

Bravo.

We're Auburn, can't get out of our own way with dumb coaching hires but have the pedigree and the history of success.

(11-20-2023 10:28 AM)TealNation Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 10:22 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  You all are leaving out TX and OU in this little brother exercise...

I'd tag JMU as TX - everything schools with tons of hotties. Football is always in the mix / ready to break through

OU is tougher....the new look Bobcats and USA both remind me of them

Doesn't JMU typically suck in baseball? You have to at least be average in everything to be an everything school.

JMU was actually pretty decent at baseball historically. Then the wheels came off in 2012 and we racked up 8 losing seasons in a decade. Wheels are still off as far as I'm concerned.

It's easier for Texas to be an everything school, because their "everything" is smaller when it comes to team sports. No men's soccer (JMU is in the round of 16), no women's lacrosse (JMU 2018 national champions). no field hockey (JMU consistently strong program with a national championship).

They have women's beach volleyball, so I'll let them net that against field hockey.

(11-20-2023 12:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-19-2023 11:03 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Your team’s B1G equivalents

A few that come to mind:

Ga. State = Rutgers (Marketz)
App = Penn State (passionate, large fan base, in the mountains)
Coastal Carolina = UCLA (Beach, baby! And adorable, though not intimidating, color scheme)
Marshall = Nebraska (DEEPLY loyal fans with proud history)
JMU = Washington (Color scheme, passionate fans, proud past and and present)
Ga. Southern = Iowa (Has won league titles, up and down performance wise)
ODU = Purdue (still known more for hoops history but put can score big upsets in FB)

Troy = Michigan (Championships span multiple decades in their league, lots and lots of wins)
USA = Michigan State (Solid program usually that gets overshadowed by in state rival)
Southern Miss = Wisconsin (Proud program winning for a long time but has been out of contention as of late)
Louisiana = Oregon (Multiple helmet styles, Best seasons have been recently)
ULM = Minnesota (Similar colors, national titles decades ago but usually in bottom half of the league)
Arkansas State = Maryland (Lots of success in the past but lost a lot of footing. Colors also match.)
TXST = Indiana (Beautiful stadium, bad performance on field, 2023 notwithstanding for the Bobcats)

No one gets to be Ohio State or USC. Illinois and Northwestern were the others I skipped.

Funny thing about Maryland is they twice had three year runs of winning the ACC.

It's not a bad comparison but suggests you are my age or older (57). Most anyone younger wouldn't remember Maryland being good, since they've not won a league title since 2001. They won 10 ACC titles 1951-2001.

AState six Sun Belt 2005-2016 and outside the 9 year run 2011-2019 have not been consistent at all which plays to historic Maryland.

AState had a 9 year bowl streak which was third longest in FBS behind Boise State and San Diego State. 9 is tied for 43rd longest in Division I history. The challenge of G5 is sustaining. We've missed three and back again.

All-time bowl appearance streaks for G5.
1. Boise State 18
2. BYU 17
3. BYU 12
4T. USM 10
4T. SDSU 10
4T Memphis 10 (counting expected bid this year)
7. A-State 9
8T Navy 8
8T Nevada 8
8T Northern Illinois 8
11T. App State 7
11T. UCF 7 (streak is active if they reach six but they are now P5 so I say ends at 7)
11T Fresno State
11T Louisiana Tech

For active streaks we've got Memphis leading G5 going to 10 this year. UAB's six year streak ends, fate of Marshall's 6 is determined on Saturday. The Fate of Louisiana's streak goes to six this year. Liberty and Western Kentucky go to 5.

I’m 41, but I remember well the 2001 ACC champ Terps and how competitive they were under Coach Friedgen. Also, it was before my time, but I know about the national championship in the 50s as well as the ACC titles.

It’s a relative comparison. Maryland’s success is much further in the past, while stAte won, what 6 titles in 7 years in the mid 2010s? But both have fallen off a bit in their newer league (B1G) or new look league (SBC).

None of these are perfect comparisons.

I did like doing a B1G comparison because it feels less like a little brother thing. They’re in a different region.

Ok, I'll bite (in fun) trying to stick to divisions

SBC East
App State: Georgia. Usually at the top of the division.
JMU: Tennessee. Paper champions.
Georgia State: Vanderbilt. Academics and market.
Marshall: South Carolina. Living on the past.
Georgia Southern: Florida. Past champions without the recent success.
Coastal Carolina: Missouri. Can win every now and then.
ODU: Kentucky. Solid but always just short.

SBC West
Troy: Alabama. Color match and culture match.
South Alabama: Auburn. In state rival and little bro.
Texas State: Texas A&M. Outlier just waiting for their day in the Sun.
LSU: Louisiana. Past champions, usually competitive.
stAte: Ole Miss: Recently resurgent.
Southern Miss: Mississippi State. Good for a competitive team on occasion.
ULM: Arkansas. Usually a little down, but a culture fit.

(11-19-2023 11:10 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(11-19-2023 10:47 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  JMU is Texas A&M. Lots of resources. Weird fans. No trophies in this conference to show for it.

And App beat them, too.

Arkansas State also beat Texas A&M. Is that a foreshadowing of things to come?

(11-20-2023 07:53 AM)jmu007 Wrote:  JMU = Tennessee

- Neither have won a title in current configuration (BCS and FCS)
- Both are everyone’s 2nd or 3rd rival but we think everyone is our 1st
- Both are ready to take over the world and tell you about it every Sept 1st

Need better baseball though.

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