(11-15-2023 06:53 PM)Party on the hill Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 11:33 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 11:00 AM)Party on the hill Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 10:32 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  I view this as the best possible kind of win and give Candle enormous credit for game planning. If we blow them out and all the fans leave at halftime what good is that? But to score right at the end but leave juuuuust enough time to give them hope, then crush that hope-well, thank you Mr. Candle. In other words, What is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women in the last two minutes of the game.

Well said!! Best kind of victory!

The only ones that would have left are the BG fans. Then we have the whole stadium to ourselves. Another poster started a thread they might have remodel suggestions.

Should have blown them out, not give them a recruiting edge. Loffleur did a great job getting his team playing above their heads. He was one critical injury away from owning us. Admission is the path to success. They played above their weight. We did not. If he can continue that, it only helps the conference and thereby, UToledo.

Recruiting edge? They lost with an 18 point half time lead and the 2nd half kickoff!

They, weren't supposed to have that lead. They were severe underdogs for every good reasons. I'm correct on that aren't I?

Perceptions being reality, yes, I feel the only "win" was to dominate. Both from a recruiting POV and making an impression for the NY6. Fortunately, these are all time will tell. Debate is good. No need to argue.

I'd like to feel the first impression to the neutral observer was our drive but it was quickly obliterated when our team seemed to start moving at half speed, getting ring-tossed and leaving the middle open by design.

BG I feel will be seen as outcompeting and out-coaching while we will be seen as out-talenting and deeper roster so yes, recruiting edge. Easier line-up to break into, better value added on the field. As well the other points I and others have mentioned about campus administration.

(11-16-2023 07:18 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 06:53 PM)Party on the hill Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 11:33 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 11:00 AM)Party on the hill Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 10:32 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  I view this as the best possible kind of win and give Candle enormous credit for game planning. If we blow them out and all the fans leave at halftime what good is that? But to score right at the end but leave juuuuust enough time to give them hope, then crush that hope-well, thank you Mr. Candle. In other words, What is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women in the last two minutes of the game.

Well said!! Best kind of victory!

The only ones that would have left are the BG fans. Then we have the whole stadium to ourselves. Another poster started a thread they might have remodel suggestions.

Should have blown them out, not give them a recruiting edge. Loffleur did a great job getting his team playing above their heads. He was one critical injury away from owning us. Admission is the path to success. They played above their weight. We did not. If he can continue that, it only helps the conference and thereby, UToledo.

Recruiting edge? They lost with an 18 point half time lead and the 2nd half kickoff!

They, weren't supposed to have that lead. They were severe underdogs for every good reasons. I'm correct on that aren't I?

Perceptions being reality, yes, I feel the only "win" was to dominate. Both from a recruiting POV and making an impression for the NY6. Fortunately, these are all time will tell. Debate is good. No need to argue.

I'd like to feel the first impression to the neutral observer was our drive but it was quickly obliterated when our team seemed to start moving at half speed, getting ring-tossed and leaving the middle open by design.

BG I feel will be seen as outcompeting and out-coaching while we will be seen as out-talenting and deeper roster so yes, recruiting edge. Easier line-up to break into, better value added on the field. As well the other points I and others have mentioned about campus administration.

Toledo consistently out-recruits all teams in MAC on a year over year average and it does show in our record. The 2024 and 2025 classes will be no different. Plus we bring in quality talent in our limited strategic use of the portal. UT's player take-in process is well managed. In other words, UT's success on the field should in no way hinder our ability to still attract quality players. Good players want to compete with and play along side quality. I don't think PT is always a good attraction when your supporting cast is questionable. UT will be just fine relative to BG and rest of regional teams.

Go Rockets!

(11-15-2023 06:38 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 03:16 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  BTW.... UT will be very good next season just a little different. Toledo can and will likely continue to field above average teams for foreseeable future. This is a good team. Being mostly healthy down the stretch doesn't hurt. Hopefully Taylor can
recover with 10 days of rest. We need him big time for a strong finish. Wolliver is out of doghouse and is also playing great ball which adds great depth at DE. Plus the development of Peters and Holt sure doesn't hurt either. The difference is Toledo is now deep and this helps so much at the close of seasons when all the marbles are on the line.

Saw a picture after the game with a comment about UT seniors from the UT website.
There were a number of players in that picture that should still have eligibility left to play - if they decide to come back. Those being Maxen Hook, Quinyon Mitchell (he may get drafted in the spring, but I suspect he will not come back anyway and try to catch on somewhere in the unlikely event he is not drafted), and Tyler Long. The ones with no eligibility left that were in the picture were Gant, Culpepper, Wolliver, Ford, Beale, and McDonald. Not in the picture and with no eligility left are Devin Maddox ( who did not play that I remember), Kendall Major, David Nwaogwugwu, Devin Rogers, and Terrance Taylor who left the game late with an injury. We also have 29 guys listed as juniors that could come back next year, though I suspect a few will hit the portal to get playing time or a better opportunity somewhere else.

Mitchell will get drafted. Some scouts have moved him up as far as early 2nd round, although others have him at 3rd or 4th.

(11-16-2023 07:18 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 06:53 PM)Party on the hill Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 11:33 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 11:00 AM)Party on the hill Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 10:32 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  I view this as the best possible kind of win and give Candle enormous credit for game planning. If we blow them out and all the fans leave at halftime what good is that? But to score right at the end but leave juuuuust enough time to give them hope, then crush that hope-well, thank you Mr. Candle. In other words, What is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women in the last two minutes of the game.

Well said!! Best kind of victory!

The only ones that would have left are the BG fans. Then we have the whole stadium to ourselves. Another poster started a thread they might have remodel suggestions.

Should have blown them out, not give them a recruiting edge. Loffleur did a great job getting his team playing above their heads. He was one critical injury away from owning us. Admission is the path to success. They played above their weight. We did not. If he can continue that, it only helps the conference and thereby, UToledo.

Recruiting edge? They lost with an 18 point half time lead and the 2nd half kickoff!

They, weren't supposed to have that lead. They were severe underdogs for every good reasons. I'm correct on that aren't I?

Perceptions being reality, yes, I feel the only "win" was to dominate. Both from a recruiting POV and making an impression for the NY6. Fortunately, these are all time will tell. Debate is good. No need to argue.

I'd like to feel the first impression to the neutral observer was our drive but it was quickly obliterated when our team seemed to start moving at half speed, getting ring-tossed and leaving the middle open by design.

BG I feel will be seen as outcompeting and out-coaching while we will be seen as out-talenting and deeper roster so yes, recruiting edge. Easier line-up to break into, better value added on the field. As well the other points I and others have mentioned about campus administration.

The only thing BG will be considered is a team that choked away a 28-10 lead. While BG is sitting around doing nothing on December 2nd, Toledo will be winning it's 3 Mac Title under Candle. Not to mention, Toledo will be deep enough next season to win a 4th under Candle, if he is still here. Loeffler has been at BG for 5 seasons. No, BG did not look better. They looked like an underdog in a rivalry game who eventually lost to the favorite.

(11-16-2023 06:37 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(11-16-2023 07:18 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 06:53 PM)Party on the hill Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 11:33 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 11:00 AM)Party on the hill Wrote:  Well said!! Best kind of victory!

The only ones that would have left are the BG fans. Then we have the whole stadium to ourselves. Another poster started a thread they might have remodel suggestions.

Should have blown them out, not give them a recruiting edge. Loffleur did a great job getting his team playing above their heads. He was one critical injury away from owning us. Admission is the path to success. They played above their weight. We did not. If he can continue that, it only helps the conference and thereby, UToledo.

Recruiting edge? They lost with an 18 point half time lead and the 2nd half kickoff!

They, weren't supposed to have that lead. They were severe underdogs for every good reasons. I'm correct on that aren't I?

Perceptions being reality, yes, I feel the only "win" was to dominate. Both from a recruiting POV and making an impression for the NY6. Fortunately, these are all time will tell. Debate is good. No need to argue.

I'd like to feel the first impression to the neutral observer was our drive but it was quickly obliterated when our team seemed to start moving at half speed, getting ring-tossed and leaving the middle open by design.

BG I feel will be seen as outcompeting and out-coaching while we will be seen as out-talenting and deeper roster so yes, recruiting edge. Easier line-up to break into, better value added on the field. As well the other points I and others have mentioned about campus administration.

The only thing BG will be considered is a team that choked away a 28-10 lead. While BG is sitting around doing nothing on December 2nd, Toledo will be winning it's 3 Mac Title under Candle. Not to mention, Toledo will be deep enough next season to win a 4th under Candle, if he is still here. Loeffler has been at BG for 5 seasons. No, BG did not look better. They looked like an underdog in a rivalry game who eventually lost to the favorite.

I don't like that our OL did not see a lot of subs getting time on the field. We lose both Major and Rogers at center - a critical positon. Long could move back to center if he is returning. We have a few other guys that I thought would see a lot of playing time this year. That hasn't happened. Hopefully they have been redshirted. Could have 3 guys back (Long, Rosi, Sciurry) that already have all_MAC credentials, and should pick up some more recognition this year. Need 2 more starters for the OL - and I think we have those guys already on campus. Portal could provide us with another unexpected surprise to step into the starting line-up. Pretty much return the rest of the offense - if Finn is back. Maddox will be gone, but was injured for much of the year - and not at 100% for the rest of the year. Other than Beale - there were no other seniors on offense with much playing time. Question may still be whether or not Finn returns for a 6th season (had a redshirt and also Covid year that do not count)

That is a lot to return. Defense has a lot of depth this year, and that will help with replacing a lot of what we lose. So - your point is well taken. We are deep and should expect to contend next year as well. Which means continued high expectations - which also means more critiquing if not met. Such is life in college football.

I wonder if Gleason will stick around ? Need to get QB Rickter a lot of snaps in the spring. Let's finish up strong by winning out and going to a top notch bowl. My understanding of the MACC game in Detroit, the 2nd deck is not open to the public, correct ?

I heard if Finn stays, Gleason is gone

(11-18-2023 08:42 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  I heard if Finn stays, Gleason is gone

I'd take either. Can't blame one for wanting PT after sticking it out this long. Just don't transfer in the MAC please...

Seems like there would be some conversation going on between coaches and Finn to get an idea of what he is thinking so they can plan accordingly. . But more than likely that will be addressed by Finn once the season is over - so Gleason will have an idea what he needs to do. I just don't see Finn coming back for a 6th season on the team. He's had a great year that can get even better - with both wins and stats - so I think he will try to strike while the fire is hot. He will either try to go the NFL route - or more likely (IMO) try to prove himself at a P5 school with more national attention and competition - and a better shot at some so-called NIL money. Just speculating.

(11-19-2023 02:24 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  Seems like there would be some conversation going on between coaches and Finn to get an idea of what he is thinking so they can plan accordingly. . But more than likely that will be addressed by Finn once the season is over - so Gleason will have an idea what he needs to do. I just don't see Finn coming back for a 6th season on the team. He's had a great year that can get even better - with both wins and stats - so I think he will try to strike while the fire is hot. He will either try to go the NFL route - or more likely (IMO) try to prove himself at a P5 school with more national attention and competition - and a better shot at some so-called NIL money. Just speculating.

Finn leave a team that potentially could be in next season's 12 team playoff for the National Championship?

(11-19-2023 02:44 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-19-2023 02:24 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  Seems like there would be some conversation going on between coaches and Finn to get an idea of what he is thinking so they can plan accordingly. . But more than likely that will be addressed by Finn once the season is over - so Gleason will have an idea what he needs to do. I just don't see Finn coming back for a 6th season on the team. He's had a great year that can get even better - with both wins and stats - so I think he will try to strike while the fire is hot. He will either try to go the NFL route - or more likely (IMO) try to prove himself at a P5 school with more national attention and competition - and a better shot at some so-called NIL money. Just speculating.

Finn leave a team that potentially could be in next season's 12 team playoff for the National Championship?

I think it will be a good possibility - similar to the decision Jackson and Ray J. Dennis made for basketball. But that is pretty much all I am basing it on - and it is just speculation. I don't know him and don't know what drives him. But 6 years is a long time at one school - and I'm fairly certain he wants that shot at the next level. Question is whether he is being advised to make a move now. Expanding the field for the playoffs will certainly create an argument for sticking around. If he gets some All American buzz (even if HM), that will add to speculation of what will likely become available to him. No question he will want to know how good the O-line is at any school interested in him if he submits his name to the portal. Can also pull his name back out.

Finn has had a fine year as a MAC quarterback, but I'm not getting any NFL vibes from him. Very few QB's survive in the NFL by running and I don't think he has the arm talent to win games in the league. It seems like they have really reigned him in from running after the UMass game. Aside from EMU, he barely throws for over 200 yards. Maybe they are holding him back on purpose so he can run wild vs Miami in the MACC? I just don't think he gets drafted, so might as well stick around another year. We have a lot of talent coming back. If Candle doesn't come back, then maybe he tests the waters at a P5 school.

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Finn has over 40 games in for the Rockets, am I correct? Right now, whatever is best for his future. Obviously we have good QB coach but if he can get even better? Bigger schools have more resources to train him, maybe even get him some NIL. I think he'd have some name recognition in Michigan but could fit in anywheres.

(11-20-2023 08:16 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Finn has over 40 games in for the Rockets, am I correct? Right now, whatever is best for his future. Obviously we have good QB coach but if he can get even better? Bigger schools have more resources to train him, maybe even get him some NIL. I think he'd have some name recognition in Michigan but could fit in anywheres.

He's been to Manning Passing Academy the past couple of seasons, with a number of college's top QB's.

(11-20-2023 09:13 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 08:16 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Finn has over 40 games in for the Rockets, am I correct? Right now, whatever is best for his future. Obviously we have good QB coach but if he can get even better? Bigger schools have more resources to train him, maybe even get him some NIL. I think he'd have some name recognition in Michigan but could fit in anywheres.

He's been to Manning Passing Academy the past couple of seasons, with a number of college's top QB's.

Yeah I remember that being posted. Camps are great.

Oddly enough, Johnson at Mich St was the highest paid QB coach last year.

(11-20-2023 09:53 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 09:13 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-20-2023 08:16 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Finn has over 40 games in for the Rockets, am I correct? Right now, whatever is best for his future. Obviously we have good QB coach but if he can get even better? Bigger schools have more resources to train him, maybe even get him some NIL. I think he'd have some name recognition in Michigan but could fit in anywheres.

He's been to Manning Passing Academy the past couple of seasons, with a number of college's top QB's.

Yeah I remember that being posted. Camps are great.

Oddly enough, Johnson at Mich St was the highest paid QB coach last year.

...And Tucker was getting $9.5 million.