(11-11-2023 03:33 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 01:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 12:56 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 05:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 04:43 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Our market size is fine. Despite your rantings to the contrary.

Quite sensitive of you to consider what I wrote ranting, but you seem to value emotion over facts. Our DMA is under 50, which is quite modest for a large city. Even Birmingham and Louisville have larger DMAs, but keep pretending.

We are what we are like all cities. Population, tv sets and who tubes in (which we do in large numbers). We happen to be located close to a lot of farm land and mid size suburban communities who are located close to a lot of farm land.

I think the Midsouth is about to hit a substantial growth period over the next 15 years. I think we will trim the poverty rates and lower crime. And I think the labor market will diversify with more middle class blue collar opportunities. None of that helps us today.

Now tell us the one about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

The Ford plant is bringing direct 6,000 jobs with each bringing 4 to 5 indirect jobs.

That's a total of 30,000 to 36,000 jobs just related to the plant itself. New business will follow: home construction, shops, restaurants, etc.

Memphis area has dozens of small to mid-size new manufacturing companies in the pipeline. Federal infrastructure funds are just getting rolling. The UM is leading a new quick response skills development initiative to meet new job needs in the area funded by a $21 mil grant. The UM research pipeline addressing STEM sector is providing fuel to economic growth. Hundreds of criminals have been taken off the streets in the past 6 months through a local-state-federal collaboration; a good start. Liberty Park, St Jude and Pinch development, plus massive east Shelby, Tipton, Fayette county housing developments are rolling out.

The real impact happens 2024-25. You need to see all the growing trees and not just current forest.

(11-10-2023 12:10 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(11-10-2023 11:01 AM)2021 Tiger Football!! Wrote:  Antennas. Rofl

I got Sling which don’t have local channels. So I’ve got a digital antenna when I want to watch a network game. I’ve got Peacock free so I can get the nbc stuff for the most part so I don’t really need channel 5. Having the antenna also helps when the internet goes out which seems to be a lot

It cost more but I rarely have problems with Comcast and pay for ESPN+ and Apple with a couple of other premiums. I don’t get any of the pro packages beyond network but I rarely watch a full NFL or NBA game beyond the Grizzlies or Packers.

(11-11-2023 09:03 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 03:33 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 01:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 12:56 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 05:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  Quite sensitive of you to consider what I wrote ranting, but you seem to value emotion over facts. Our DMA is under 50, which is quite modest for a large city. Even Birmingham and Louisville have larger DMAs, but keep pretending.

We are what we are like all cities. Population, tv sets and who tubes in (which we do in large numbers). We happen to be located close to a lot of farm land and mid size suburban communities who are located close to a lot of farm land.

I think the Midsouth is about to hit a substantial growth period over the next 15 years. I think we will trim the poverty rates and lower crime. And I think the labor market will diversify with more middle class blue collar opportunities. None of that helps us today.

Now tell us the one about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

The Ford plant is bringing direct 6,000 jobs with each bringing 4 to 5 indirect jobs.

That's a total of 30,000 to 36,000 jobs just related to the plant itself. New business will follow: home construction, shops, restaurants, etc.

Memphis area has dozens of small to mid-size new manufacturing companies in the pipeline. Federal infrastructure funds are just getting rolling. The UM is leading a new quick response skills development initiative to meet new job needs in the area funded by a $21 mil grant. The UM research pipeline addressing STEM sector is providing fuel to economic growth. Hundreds of criminals have been taken off the streets in the past 6 months through a local-state-federal collaboration; a good start. Liberty Park, St Jude and Pinch development, plus massive east Shelby, Tipton, Fayette county housing developments are rolling out.

The real impact happens 2024-25. You need to see all the growing trees and not just current forest.

In 2023 Townsend said this year the Chamber has announced 11 new projects with close to 1,700 new jobs and $1 billion in capex investment. That’s this year and doesn’t include Blue Oval.

(11-11-2023 09:03 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 03:33 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 01:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 12:56 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 05:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  Quite sensitive of you to consider what I wrote ranting, but you seem to value emotion over facts. Our DMA is under 50, which is quite modest for a large city. Even Birmingham and Louisville have larger DMAs, but keep pretending.

We are what we are like all cities. Population, tv sets and who tubes in (which we do in large numbers). We happen to be located close to a lot of farm land and mid size suburban communities who are located close to a lot of farm land.

I think the Midsouth is about to hit a substantial growth period over the next 15 years. I think we will trim the poverty rates and lower crime. And I think the labor market will diversify with more middle class blue collar opportunities. None of that helps us today.

Now tell us the one about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

The Ford plant is bringing direct 6,000 jobs with each bringing 4 to 5 indirect jobs.

That's a total of 30,000 to 36,000 jobs just related to the plant itself. New business will follow: home construction, shops, restaurants, etc.

Memphis area has dozens of small to mid-size new manufacturing companies in the pipeline. Federal infrastructure funds are just getting rolling. The UM is leading a new quick response skills development initiative to meet new job needs in the area funded by a $21 mil grant. The UM research pipeline addressing STEM sector is providing fuel to economic growth. Hundreds of criminals have been taken off the streets in the past 6 months through a local-state-federal collaboration; a good start. Liberty Park, St Jude and Pinch development, plus massive east Shelby, Tipton, Fayette county housing developments are rolling out.

The real impact happens 2024-25. You need to see all the growing trees and not just current forest.

Been hearing this since The Big Dig. I’m rooting for it but the wheels have been spinning on Pinch development since forever.

(11-11-2023 03:33 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 01:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 12:56 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 05:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 04:43 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Our market size is fine. Despite your rantings to the contrary.

Quite sensitive of you to consider what I wrote ranting, but you seem to value emotion over facts. Our DMA is under 50, which is quite modest for a large city. Even Birmingham and Louisville have larger DMAs, but keep pretending.

We are what we are like all cities. Population, tv sets and who tubes in (which we do in large numbers). We happen to be located close to a lot of farm land and mid size suburban communities who are located close to a lot of farm land.

I think the Midsouth is about to hit a substantial growth period over the next 15 years. I think we will trim the poverty rates and lower crime. And I think the labor market will diversify with more middle class blue collar opportunities. None of that helps us today.

Now tell us the one about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

The Ford plant is bringing direct 6,000 jobs with each bringing 4 to 5 indirect jobs.

That's a total of 30,000 to 36,000 jobs just related to the plant itself. New business will follow: home construction, shops, restaurants, etc.

Ford has already stated that it is reevaluating its EV plans.

As sales and the financials are far below projections.

Blue oval city is greatly tied to the EV market.

Government grants for EV is on the cutting room floor and Ford is delaying $12 billion in EV battery and other EV investment.

(11-12-2023 01:06 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 03:33 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 01:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 12:56 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 05:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  Quite sensitive of you to consider what I wrote ranting, but you seem to value emotion over facts. Our DMA is under 50, which is quite modest for a large city. Even Birmingham and Louisville have larger DMAs, but keep pretending.

We are what we are like all cities. Population, tv sets and who tubes in (which we do in large numbers). We happen to be located close to a lot of farm land and mid size suburban communities who are located close to a lot of farm land.

I think the Midsouth is about to hit a substantial growth period over the next 15 years. I think we will trim the poverty rates and lower crime. And I think the labor market will diversify with more middle class blue collar opportunities. None of that helps us today.

Now tell us the one about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

The Ford plant is bringing direct 6,000 jobs with each bringing 4 to 5 indirect jobs.

That's a total of 30,000 to 36,000 jobs just related to the plant itself. New business will follow: home construction, shops, restaurants, etc.

Ford has already stated that it is reevaluating its EV plans.

As sales and the financials are far below projections.

Blue oval city is greatly tied to the EV market.

Government grants for EV is on the cutting room floor and Ford is delaying $12 billion in EV battery and other EV investment.

Ford is continuing to build the plant at Blue Oval City. Ford has also said the plant can produce ICE vehicles.

(11-12-2023 01:25 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 01:06 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 03:33 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 01:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 12:56 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  We are what we are like all cities. Population, tv sets and who tubes in (which we do in large numbers). We happen to be located close to a lot of farm land and mid size suburban communities who are located close to a lot of farm land.

I think the Midsouth is about to hit a substantial growth period over the next 15 years. I think we will trim the poverty rates and lower crime. And I think the labor market will diversify with more middle class blue collar opportunities. None of that helps us today.

Now tell us the one about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

The Ford plant is bringing direct 6,000 jobs with each bringing 4 to 5 indirect jobs.

That's a total of 30,000 to 36,000 jobs just related to the plant itself. New business will follow: home construction, shops, restaurants, etc.

Ford has already stated that it is reevaluating its EV plans.

As sales and the financials are far below projections.

Blue oval city is greatly tied to the EV market.

Government grants for EV is on the cutting room floor and Ford is delaying $12 billion in EV battery and other EV investment.

Ford is continuing to build the plant at Blue Oval City. Ford has also said the plant can produce ICE vehicles.

Just FYI, Toyota has refused to sign a commitment to total EV at any point in the future, saying hydrogen cars are the actual future in auto propulsion.

(11-12-2023 07:22 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 01:25 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 01:06 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 03:33 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 01:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Now tell us the one about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

The Ford plant is bringing direct 6,000 jobs with each bringing 4 to 5 indirect jobs.

That's a total of 30,000 to 36,000 jobs just related to the plant itself. New business will follow: home construction, shops, restaurants, etc.

Ford has already stated that it is reevaluating its EV plans.

As sales and the financials are far below projections.

Blue oval city is greatly tied to the EV market.

Government grants for EV is on the cutting room floor and Ford is delaying $12 billion in EV battery and other EV investment.

Ford is continuing to build the plant at Blue Oval City. Ford has also said the plant can produce ICE vehicles.

Just FYI, Toyota has refused to sign a commitment to total EV at any point in the future, saying hydrogen cars are the actual future in auto propulsion.

That would be better technology. I'm not an EV guy/

I don't care what they do as long as they build a manufacturing facility, bring thousands of jobs and other related manufacturers to the area, build cars &/or trucks, and bring rapid growth to the region.

(11-12-2023 09:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  [quote='umbluegray' pid='19272952' dateline='1699691606']

That would be better technology. I'm not an EV guy/

I don't care what they do as long as they build a manufacturing facility, bring thousands of jobs and other related manufacturers to the area, build cars &/or trucks, and bring rapid growth to the region.

I appreciate the optimism in your posts and Tigersx3's posts. There is much to feel positive about despite the deluge of negative news. The concern I have is two fold. One is improving public education to the point we can supply industry with skilled workers, and two, relying too heavily on blue collar jobs to fuel growth.

I worked with several leaders and philanthropists in 2012 on developing a plan to create a higher wage economy in Memphis. Tech901 came out of those talks. We looked at cities like Nashville and Austin and what fueled their growth and felt we had to make the city more attractive to young, college educated adults. We knew they wanted amenities like Shelby Farms, bike lanes, urban housing and amenities within walking distance of housing. Music festivals and art. Wide choice in restaurants and upscale bars. That's what they want.

Each of us had experience with our young people going away to college, some of our best and brightest minds, and not returning. It was frustrating, because Memphis had so much to offer in comparison to places like Austin and Nashville. Affordability, less competition with other creatives to have impact, water (Austin has real issues with water), etc. We don't have quite as much to do here and crime is significant, but it seemed like Memphis could be what Austin was in the 1980's. A creative, funky town ready to take off.

I'm not as involved in those talks as I've moved closer to retirement, but a key individual and close friend of mine is very much involved and having a positive impact. Let's not give up on our city.

(11-12-2023 10:05 AM)marfa Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 09:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  [quote='umbluegray' pid='19272952' dateline='1699691606']

That would be better technology. I'm not an EV guy/

I don't care what they do as long as they build a manufacturing facility, bring thousands of jobs and other related manufacturers to the area, build cars &/or trucks, and bring rapid growth to the region.

I appreciate the optimism in your posts and Tigersx3's posts. There is much to feel positive about despite the deluge of negative news. The concern I have is two fold. One is improving public education to the point we can supply industry with skilled workers, and two, relying too heavily on blue collar jobs to fuel growth.

I worked with several leaders and philanthropists in 2012 on developing a plan to create a higher wage economy in Memphis. Tech901 came out of those talks. We looked at cities like Nashville and Austin and what fueled their growth and felt we had to make the city more attractive to young, college educated adults. We knew they wanted amenities like Shelby Farms, bike lanes, urban housing and amenities within walking distance of housing. Music festivals and art. Wide choice in restaurants and upscale bars. That's what they want.

Each of us had experience with our young people going away to college, some of our best and brightest minds, and not returning. It was frustrating, because Memphis had so much to offer in comparison to places like Austin and Nashville. Affordability, less competition with other creatives to have impact, water (Austin has real issues with water), etc. We don't have quite as much to do here and crime is significant, but it seemed like Memphis could be what Austin was in the 1980's. A creative, funky town ready to take off.

I'm not as involved in those talks as I've moved closer to retirement, but a key individual and close friend of mine is very much involved and having a positive impact. Let's not give up on our city.

Thanks for working on it from that end. Those things are important. And honestly, we have the amenities that would draw people here. Yes, we need to fix public education, and that's no small task. Unfortunately, now we have to deal with crime and the image it sends to the nation. It's all about the Brand, and Memphis' Brand is being tarnished big time right now.

As far as education goes, I've been checking out TCAT (TN College of Applied Technology) given the news that the state is building a campus at Blue Oval City in order to train workers for those jobs.

I don't want to come off as arrogant saying that because I didn't really know about TCAT that it's been a secret. But I'm impressed with what I've learned.

It's definitely not a traditional college. It offers focused training in very specific fields. It's very cheap compared to college and it's fast. For a young adult who wants to change their life and develop a great career, TCAT is a great resouce.

There are campuses all over the state. Right now I think there are 3 campuses in the area: Downtown, Airport, Bartlett

Of course the 4th is being built at BOC.

Programs at the Bartlett location are geared toward the medical device industry. They've also added the EV production course.

• Automotive Technology - 2,160 hrs, $11,500
• Electric Vehicle Production Technology - 8 mths, TBA
• HVAC-Refrigeration - 15 mths, $8,900
• Heavy Equipment Technology - 20 mths, $13,000
• Machine Tool Technology - 16 mths, $7,100
• Mechatronics - 20 mths, $14,400
• Welding Technology - 12 mths, $5,400
  

Programs at the Airport location are geared toward aircraft maintenance.

• Aviation Maintenance Technology - 18 mths, $10,800
• Avionics Maintenance Technology - 12 mths, $7,200
  

The cost of all programs includes tuition, supplies, tools, etc.

There are a lot of programs that can get people started in careers with excellent starting pay.

The main campus offers some of the programs listed above plus others.

(11-11-2023 10:45 AM)Slacks Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 09:03 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 03:33 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 01:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 12:56 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  We are what we are like all cities. Population, tv sets and who tubes in (which we do in large numbers). We happen to be located close to a lot of farm land and mid size suburban communities who are located close to a lot of farm land.

I think the Midsouth is about to hit a substantial growth period over the next 15 years. I think we will trim the poverty rates and lower crime. And I think the labor market will diversify with more middle class blue collar opportunities. None of that helps us today.

Now tell us the one about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

The Ford plant is bringing direct 6,000 jobs with each bringing 4 to 5 indirect jobs.

That's a total of 30,000 to 36,000 jobs just related to the plant itself. New business will follow: home construction, shops, restaurants, etc.

Memphis area has dozens of small to mid-size new manufacturing companies in the pipeline. Federal infrastructure funds are just getting rolling. The UM is leading a new quick response skills development initiative to meet new job needs in the area funded by a $21 mil grant. The UM research pipeline addressing STEM sector is providing fuel to economic growth. Hundreds of criminals have been taken off the streets in the past 6 months through a local-state-federal collaboration; a good start. Liberty Park, St Jude and Pinch development, plus massive east Shelby, Tipton, Fayette county housing developments are rolling out.

The real impact happens 2024-25. You need to see all the growing trees and not just current forest.

Been hearing this since The Big Dig. I’m rooting for it but the wheels have been spinning on the Pibch since forever.

St Jude has already dropped close to 2 billion and gas two more towers to build and will bring over 2,000 new Drs and other research and medical professionals to the Pinch. My son and his wife are making a difference by opening 3 new businesses, two earning national recognition.
The slow moving peace is NY developer Tom Intrator who will break ground on the first phase of his $1.2 billion development by the end of the year. Covid and the fed slowed or canceled several major projects. Convention Center is thriving again. 100 N Main is moving forward. Convention hotel will add hundreds of rooms. Several major projects complete or in progress uptown. Even a Chick-fil-A is breaking ground soon.
Slow is frustrating but it’s

(11-11-2023 09:03 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 03:33 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 01:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 12:56 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 05:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  Quite sensitive of you to consider what I wrote ranting, but you seem to value emotion over facts. Our DMA is under 50, which is quite modest for a large city. Even Birmingham and Louisville have larger DMAs, but keep pretending.

We are what we are like all cities. Population, tv sets and who tubes in (which we do in large numbers). We happen to be located close to a lot of farm land and mid size suburban communities who are located close to a lot of farm land.

I think the Midsouth is about to hit a substantial growth period over the next 15 years. I think we will trim the poverty rates and lower crime. And I think the labor market will diversify with more middle class blue collar opportunities. None of that helps us today.

Now tell us the one about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

The Ford plant is bringing direct 6,000 jobs with each bringing 4 to 5 indirect jobs.

That's a total of 30,000 to 36,000 jobs just related to the plant itself. New business will follow: home construction, shops, restaurants, etc.

Memphis area has dozens of small to mid-size new manufacturing companies in the pipeline. Federal infrastructure funds are just getting rolling. The UM is leading a new quick response skills development initiative to meet new job needs in the area funded by a $21 mil grant. The UM research pipeline addressing STEM sector is providing fuel to economic growth. Hundreds of criminals have been taken off the streets in the past 6 months through a local-state-federal collaboration; a good start. Liberty Park, St Jude and Pinch development, plus massive east Shelby, Tipton, Fayette county housing developments are rolling out.

The real impact happens 2024-25. You need to see all the growing trees and not just current forest.

None of that matters if we continue having gangland shootouts all across the city and county. Yesterday was a disaster.

(11-12-2023 07:22 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 01:25 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 01:06 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 03:33 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 01:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Now tell us the one about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

The Ford plant is bringing direct 6,000 jobs with each bringing 4 to 5 indirect jobs.

That's a total of 30,000 to 36,000 jobs just related to the plant itself. New business will follow: home construction, shops, restaurants, etc.

Ford has already stated that it is reevaluating its EV plans.

As sales and the financials are far below projections.

Blue oval city is greatly tied to the EV market.

Government grants for EV is on the cutting room floor and Ford is delaying $12 billion in EV battery and other EV investment.

Ford is continuing to build the plant at Blue Oval City. Ford has also said the plant can produce ICE vehicles.

Just FYI, Toyota has refused to sign a commitment to total EV at any point in the future, saying hydrogen cars are the actual future in auto propulsion.

True but hydrogen cells are still a decade away from viability for mass production.

I’m a supporter of how the original automotive industry was built before the big 3 bought out or ran off hundreds of innovative manufacturing facilities.
There multiple different fuel cell options in the pipeline. The more the merrier!

(11-12-2023 01:26 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 10:45 AM)Slacks Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 09:03 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 03:33 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 01:49 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Now tell us the one about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

The Ford plant is bringing direct 6,000 jobs with each bringing 4 to 5 indirect jobs.

That's a total of 30,000 to 36,000 jobs just related to the plant itself. New business will follow: home construction, shops, restaurants, etc.

Memphis area has dozens of small to mid-size new manufacturing companies in the pipeline. Federal infrastructure funds are just getting rolling. The UM is leading a new quick response skills development initiative to meet new job needs in the area funded by a $21 mil grant. The UM research pipeline addressing STEM sector is providing fuel to economic growth. Hundreds of criminals have been taken off the streets in the past 6 months through a local-state-federal collaboration; a good start. Liberty Park, St Jude and Pinch development, plus massive east Shelby, Tipton, Fayette county housing developments are rolling out.

The real impact happens 2024-25. You need to see all the growing trees and not just current forest.

Been hearing this since The Big Dig. I’m rooting for it but the wheels have been spinning on the Pibch since forever.

St Jude has already dropped close to 2 billion and gas two more towers to build and will bring over 2,000 new Drs and other research and medical professionals to the Pinch. My son and his wife are making a difference by opening 3 new businesses, two earning national recognition.
The slow moving peace is NY developer Tom Intrator who will break ground on the first phase of his $1.2 billion development by the end of the year. Covid and the fed slowed or canceled several major projects. Convention Center is thriving again. 100 N Main is moving forward. Convention hotel will add hundreds of rooms. Several major projects complete or in progress uptown. Even a Chick-fil-A is breaking ground soon.
Slow is frustrating but it’s

Time to bring in the national guard. Locked and loaded.

(11-12-2023 01:34 PM)2021 Tiger Football!! Wrote:  None of that matters if we continue having gangland shootouts all across the city and county. Yesterday was a disaster.

When you wake up from your fantasies, you'll realize that virtually all large cities have gang shootouts. Have you noticed that none of the worst mass shootings in America have happened in Memphis? Amazing, huh?

(11-12-2023 01:34 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 07:22 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 01:25 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 01:06 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2023 03:33 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  The Ford plant is bringing direct 6,000 jobs with each bringing 4 to 5 indirect jobs.

That's a total of 30,000 to 36,000 jobs just related to the plant itself. New business will follow: home construction, shops, restaurants, etc.

Ford has already stated that it is reevaluating its EV plans.

As sales and the financials are far below projections.

Blue oval city is greatly tied to the EV market.

Government grants for EV is on the cutting room floor and Ford is delaying $12 billion in EV battery and other EV investment.

Ford is continuing to build the plant at Blue Oval City. Ford has also said the plant can produce ICE vehicles.

Just FYI, Toyota has refused to sign a commitment to total EV at any point in the future, saying hydrogen cars are the actual future in auto propulsion.

True but hydrogen cells are still a decade away from viability for mass production.

I’m a supporter of how the original automotive industry was built before the big 3 bought out or ran off hundreds of innovative manufacturing facilities.
There multiple different fuel cell options in the pipeline. The more the merrier!

Yeah, hydrogen cells are still a net energy sink. It takes more energy to produce them than the energy derived.

Humans are obsessed with keeping the growth train rolling, but you can't grow infinitely in a closed system. In biology, uncontrolled cellular growth is called cancer.

I understand why some people embrace EV's, but it's a big lie. Non-sustainable mining practices, and the workers used to do the work are of course poor, desperate people and they're being exposed to a number of things that are really bad for their health.

Fossil fuels are not the issue. The issue is human behavior and our inability to change behavior. I made a decision a long time ago to drive less, fly less and move to a smaller home to preserve energy, but most Americans don't think in those terms. Look at these McMansions everyone is building. Ego driven waste.