https://twitter.com/ADavidHaleJoint/stat...2146986472

If excluded, will be interesting if ND keeps scheduling Stanford <- 6 ACC games in those years.

There are several teams in the ACC that have a hard time scheduling P5 opponents and several that do not have an issue. Those with no issue should not have to play ND and let those with an issue get a chance.

Those that don’t need to play ND are FSU, UM, Clem, UNC, GT, UL and Pitt. Everyone else could greatly benefit from a ND game every 2/4 years.

I expect they will not be in rotation until 2037. ND needs to make a decision on Stanford series.

(11-08-2023 04:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  There are several teams in the ACC that have a hard time scheduling P5 opponents and several that do not have an issue. Those with no issue should not have to play ND and let those with an issue get a chance.

Those that don’t need to play ND are FSU, UM, Clem, UNC, GT, UL and Pitt. Everyone else could greatly benefit from a ND game every 2/4 years.

Pitt is not giving up games with ND. 73 all-time games. The ACC has already cut into the regularity that Pitt and ND traditionally have played.

(11-08-2023 04:49 PM)OrangemanRich Wrote:  https://twitter.com/ADavidHaleJoint/stat...2146986472

If excluded, will be interesting if ND keeps scheduling Stanford <- 6 ACC games in those years.

There IS NO ROTATION!

Anyone else not understand???

There IS NO ROTATION!

In the last 10 years ND has played the following ACC schools the following number of times:

5 UNC
4 BC, Syracuse, FSU, WF, VT, Pitt, Clemson, and Duke
3 NC State, GT, Miami, and Louisville
Anyone misunderstand this?

They played 4 games in 14, 19, and 22. They played 5 games in 16, 17, 18, and 21.
They played 6 games in 15 and 23.
They played 9 games in 20 (not counting title game).

They have switched game years with Miami. They have switched out several games with a complicated deal where VT helped Purdue and Arkansas with ND.

There is NO ROTATION, only a contract between ND and the ACC for a certain number of games over a certain number of years. There is no contract for certain teams in certain years.

Stanford, Cal, and SMU are not party to that contract which averages out to be six games per year.

EVERYONE wants a home game with ND. Not everyone wants the trip to South Bend past Halloween or even near Halloween.

Going by year of the contract:

UNC has played them in year 1, 4, 7, 8, and 9
Pitt has played them in year 2, 5, 7, and 10
NC State has played them in year 3, 4, and 10
Louisville has played them in year 1, 7, and 10

(11-08-2023 06:37 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 04:58 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  There are several teams in the ACC that have a hard time scheduling P5 opponents and several that do not have an issue. Those with no issue should not have to play ND and let those with an issue get a chance.

Those that don’t need to play ND are FSU, UM, Clem, UNC, GT, UL and Pitt. Everyone else could greatly benefit from a ND game every 2/4 years.

Pitt is not giving up games with ND. 73 all-time games. The ACC has already cut into the regularity that Pitt and ND traditional have played.

You can have our next two trips there.

However all you seem to have to trade is a trip to Wisconsin and two to Morgantown. Syracuse, you want to trade your away at PSU for an away to ND? BC you want to trade your away to Ohio State for an away to ND?

Give us the series with Wisky and we will trade you two trips to ND.

The League plugs in ND games according to the general desire of the ACC schools wanting a P-5 game that year.

When the ACC and Notre Dame announced their scheduling rotation in 2014, it was for 60 games over twelve seasons. Each of the 14 schools in the ACC would face the Irish four times (two at home, two away) during the agreement, with four schools getting an extra game. Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, and Wake Forest were the ones slated to get an extra fifth matchup.

Then, in 2017, the ACC and Notre Dame announced that they were adding an additional 60 games to the agreement, extending it until 2037. Just like the first 60 games, the additional 60 games would be comprised of all 14 schools facing the Irish four more times (two at home, two away), and just like before, four schools were to get an "extra" game. Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, and Miami were the ones receiving the fifth game this time.

Of course, the numbers get skewed because of the 2020 season when the Irish played as a conference member and ended up facing nine ACC opponents during the regular season. However, that aside, the original agreements had everything nice and even with the Irish agreeing to 60 home games and 60 away games against the ACC and all 14 ACC schools getting four home and four away games with the Irish, plus eight schools getting an "extra" fifth game.

Now, it is only 2023 and the agreement runs until 2037, so there could definitely be changes made to what was originally agreed to. However, I doubt many of the 14 want to give up any of their originally agreed upon games.

(11-08-2023 06:44 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 04:49 PM)OrangemanRich Wrote:  https://twitter.com/ADavidHaleJoint/stat...2146986472

If excluded, will be interesting if ND keeps scheduling Stanford <- 6 ACC games in those years.

There IS NO ROTATION!

Anyone else not understand???

There IS NO ROTATION!

In the last 10 years ND has played the following ACC schools the following number of times:

5 UNC
4 BC, Syracuse, FSU, WF, VT, Pitt, Clemson, and Duke
3 NC State, GT, Miami, and Louisville
Anyone misunderstand this?

They played 4 games in 14, 19, and 22. They played 5 games in 16, 17, 18, and 21.
They played 6 games in 15 and 23.
They played 9 games in 20 (not counting title game).

They have switched game years with Miami. They have switched out several games with a complicated deal where VT helped Purdue and Arkansas with ND.

There is NO ROTATION, only a contract between ND and the ACC for a certain number of games over a certain number of years. There is no contract for certain teams in certain years...

In the strictest sense of the word rotation, you are correct.
In the broader sense used by most people, there most certainly IS a rotation - even if it hasn't been perfectly even up to this point.

Some of that "rotation" data is skewed by the 2020 schedule.

Some of y'all will swallow anything if it has the correct label.

14 - Syracuse, UNC, FSU, Louisville
15 - UVa, GT, Clemson, Pitt, WF, BC
16 - Syracuse, NC State, Miami, VT, Duke
17 - BC, NC State, WF, Miami, UNC
18 - WF, VT, Pitt, FSU, Syracuse
19 - UVa, VT, Duke, BC

Before 2020 and after 29 games Syracuse, BC, WF, and VT had played ND three times. Duke, UNC, Miami, Pitt, and NC State had played ND twice. Clemson, Louisville, FSU, and GT had played them once. That's not a "rotation" even in an expansive use of the term.

ND's original 2020 slate included WF, Pitt, Duke, GT, Louisville and Clemson. The ACC added UNC, FSU, BC, and Syracuse to that.
21 - UNC, FSU, GT, UVa, VT

By the 43rd game UNC, VT, Syracuse, WF, and BC have played ND 4 times. GT, Duke, FSU, and Pitt have played three times. NC State, Miami, Clemson, and Louisville have played just twice (can't count the 2020 ACC title game) You do get that certain teams are back loaded while others are front loaded - right? Back loading and front loading is not really a rotation.

22 - UNC, Syracuse, Clemson, BC
23 - NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Clemson, WF
24 - UVa, FSU, GT, Louis

By the end of 24, 58 games will have been played. In a rotation everyone would have played 4 times right?

The reality is Syracuse, UNC, BC, and WF will have played ND 5 times by then. Pitt will have played just 4. Miami and NC State will have played them just three times.

That's not a rotation. That's just a bushel of games with them being parceled out based on plugging in a scheduling hole. That's why they have been fungible floating from 4-5-6 games a year and with certain games being pushed off or being traded to make room for other schools.

(11-09-2023 09:50 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Some of y'all will swallow anything if it has the correct label.

14 - Syracuse, UNC, FSU, Louisville
15 - UVa, GT, Clemson, Pitt, WF, BC
16 - Syracuse, NC State, Miami, VT, Duke
17 - BC, NC State, WF, Miami, UNC
18 - WF, VT, Pitt, FSU, Syracuse
19 - UVa, VT, Duke, BC

Before 2020 and after 29 games Syracuse, BC, WF, and VT had played ND three times. Duke, UNC, Miami, Pitt, and NC State had played ND twice. Clemson, Louisville, FSU, and GT had played them once. That's not a "rotation" even in an expansive use of the term.

ND's original 2020 slate included WF, Pitt, Duke, GT, Louisville and Clemson. The ACC added UNC, FSU, BC, and Syracuse to that.
21 - UNC, FSU, GT, UVa, VT

By the 43rd game UNC, VT, Syracuse, WF, and BC have played ND 4 times. GT, Duke, FSU, and Pitt have played three times. NC State, Miami, Clemson, and Louisville have played just twice (can't count the 2020 ACC title game) You do get that certain teams are back loaded while others are front loaded - right? Back loading and front loading is not really a rotation.

22 - UNC, Syracuse, Clemson, BC
23 - NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Clemson, WF
24 - UVa, FSU, GT, Louis

By the end of 24, 58 games will have been played. In a rotation everyone would have played 4 times right?

The reality is Syracuse, UNC, BC, and WF will have played ND 5 times by then. Pitt will have played just 4. Miami and NC State will have played them just three times.

That's not a rotation. That's just a bushel of games with them being parceled out based on plugging in a scheduling hole. That's why they have been fungible floating from 4-5-6 games a year and with certain games being pushed off or being traded to make room for other schools.

No need to be pedantic regarding the use of the word “rotation”. The point is that the ACC is unlikely to schedule CaliStan versus Notre Dame as part of its existing commitment. In other words, the terms of the current ACC & ND football scheduling deal will not be modified to include new ACC members.

If Notre Dame wants to continue the annual series with Stanford or its season ending games in the Bay Area, it needs to initiate a discussion (with the ACC or Stanford or Cal). Notre Dame is likely prioritizing its new media deal, so this issue is being negotiated first with media companies. I could see NBC (with Fox backing) offering a little more money if ND commits to more games with the B1G (maybe alternating season finales versus USC & UCLA); and ESPN countering with enhanced ACCN distribution if ND fully embraces integrating the newbies with a sixth conference game).

(11-09-2023 09:50 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Some of y'all will swallow anything if it has the correct label.

14 - Syracuse, UNC, FSU, Louisville
15 - UVa, GT, Clemson, Pitt, WF, BC
16 - Syracuse, NC State, Miami, VT, Duke
17 - BC, NC State, WF, Miami, UNC
18 - WF, VT, Pitt, FSU, Syracuse
19 - UVa, VT, Duke, BC

Before 2020 and after 29 games Syracuse, BC, WF, and VT had played ND three times. Duke, UNC, Miami, Pitt, and NC State had played ND twice. Clemson, Louisville, FSU, and GT had played them once. That's not a "rotation" even in an expansive use of the term.

ND's original 2020 slate included WF, Pitt, Duke, GT, Louisville and Clemson. The ACC added UNC, FSU, BC, and Syracuse to that.
21 - UNC, FSU, GT, UVa, VT

By the 43rd game UNC, VT, Syracuse, WF, and BC have played ND 4 times. GT, Duke, FSU, and Pitt have played three times. NC State, Miami, Clemson, and Louisville have played just twice (can't count the 2020 ACC title game) You do get that certain teams are back loaded while others are front loaded - right? Back loading and front loading is not really a rotation.

22 - UNC, Syracuse, Clemson, BC
23 - NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Clemson, WF
24 - UVa, FSU, GT, Louis

By the end of 24, 58 games will have been played. In a rotation everyone would have played 4 times right?

The reality is Syracuse, UNC, BC, and WF will have played ND 5 times by then. Pitt will have played just 4. Miami and NC State will have played them just three times.

That's not a rotation. That's just a bushel of games with them being parceled out based on plugging in a scheduling hole. That's why they have been fungible floating from 4-5-6 games a year and with certain games being pushed off or being traded to make room for other schools.

IMO, it's TOO evenly-distributed! If it were my decision to make, I'd like to see more Miami/Notre Dame and less Wake Forest/Notre Dame. More FSU, Pitt and BC, too - but less UVA, UNC, and Duke. I'm ambivalent about NC State (at least the Wolfpack won once!). There is NO reason to schedule an automatic loss for the ACC team!


BTW,
Rotation, n. - (3) the passing of a privilege or responsibility from one member of a group to another in a regularly recurring succession. (5 per year is regular; annual is recurring).
"it has become common for senior academics to act as heads of department in rotation" (Similar: sequence, succession)
(4) a tour of duty, especially by a medical practitioner in training.
"she was completing a rotation in trauma surgery"
(no question this definition applies - playing the Irish can be traumatic!)

(11-08-2023 06:44 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 04:49 PM)OrangemanRich Wrote:  https://twitter.com/ADavidHaleJoint/stat...2146986472

If excluded, will be interesting if ND keeps scheduling Stanford <- 6 ACC games in those years.

There IS NO ROTATION!

Anyone else not understand???

There IS NO ROTATION!

In the last 10 years ND has played the following ACC schools the following number of times:

5 UNC
4 BC, Syracuse, FSU, WF, VT, Pitt, Clemson, and Duke
3 NC State, GT, Miami, and Louisville
Anyone misunderstand this?

They played 4 games in 14, 19, and 22. They played 5 games in 16, 17, 18, and 21.
They played 6 games in 15 and 23.
They played 9 games in 20 (not counting title game).

They have switched game years with Miami. They have switched out several games with a complicated deal where VT helped Purdue and Arkansas with ND.

There is NO ROTATION, only a contract between ND and the ACC for a certain number of games over a certain number of years. There is no contract for certain teams in certain years.

Stanford, Cal, and SMU are not party to that contract which averages out to be six games per year.

EVERYONE wants a home game with ND. Not everyone wants the trip to South Bend past Halloween or even near Halloween.

Going by year of the contract:

UNC has played them in year 1, 4, 7, 8, and 9
Pitt has played them in year 2, 5, 7, and 10
NC State has played them in year 3, 4, and 10
Louisville has played them in year 1, 7, and 10

Looking at ND's future schedules, ACC members have the following remaining games vs. ND from 2024-2037:

7 - Miami
6 - FSU, Pitt
5 - BC, Clemson, GT, Louisville, NC St, Syracuse, UVA
4 - Duke, UNC, VT, Wake

The post above didn't have a total for UVA, but I find that they've played ND 3 times (2015, 2019 and 2021).

If you and I have calculated this correctly, over the full contract period

10 - FSU, Miami, Pitt
9 - BC, Clemson, UNC, Syracuse
8 - Duke, GT, Louisville, NC St, UVA, VT, Wake

If the ACC were open to including the new members within the current arrangement with ND, it seems that FSU, Miami and Pitt could give up a game against ND, or possibly 2 (home and home), to make room for Stanford, Cal and SMU. Similarly, BC, Clemson, UNC, and Syracuse may be able to give up a remaining game, obviously ensuring that the number of home and away games be kept even over the entire scheduling cycle. This could accommodate 3 games against each of the new members through 2037.

(11-09-2023 10:16 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 09:50 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Some of y'all will swallow anything if it has the correct label.

14 - Syracuse, UNC, FSU, Louisville
15 - UVa, GT, Clemson, Pitt, WF, BC
16 - Syracuse, NC State, Miami, VT, Duke
17 - BC, NC State, WF, Miami, UNC
18 - WF, VT, Pitt, FSU, Syracuse
19 - UVa, VT, Duke, BC

Before 2020 and after 29 games Syracuse, BC, WF, and VT had played ND three times. Duke, UNC, Miami, Pitt, and NC State had played ND twice. Clemson, Louisville, FSU, and GT had played them once. That's not a "rotation" even in an expansive use of the term.

ND's original 2020 slate included WF, Pitt, Duke, GT, Louisville and Clemson. The ACC added UNC, FSU, BC, and Syracuse to that.
21 - UNC, FSU, GT, UVa, VT

By the 43rd game UNC, VT, Syracuse, WF, and BC have played ND 4 times. GT, Duke, FSU, and Pitt have played three times. NC State, Miami, Clemson, and Louisville have played just twice (can't count the 2020 ACC title game) You do get that certain teams are back loaded while others are front loaded - right? Back loading and front loading is not really a rotation.

22 - UNC, Syracuse, Clemson, BC
23 - NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Clemson, WF
24 - UVa, FSU, GT, Louis

By the end of 24, 58 games will have been played. In a rotation everyone would have played 4 times right?

The reality is Syracuse, UNC, BC, and WF will have played ND 5 times by then. Pitt will have played just 4. Miami and NC State will have played them just three times.

That's not a rotation. That's just a bushel of games with them being parceled out based on plugging in a scheduling hole. That's why they have been fungible floating from 4-5-6 games a year and with certain games being pushed off or being traded to make room for other schools.

No need to be pedantic regarding the use of the word “rotation”. The point is that the ACC is unlikely to schedule CaliStan versus Notre Dame as part of its existing commitment. In other words, the terms of the current ACC & ND football scheduling deal will not be modified to include new ACC members.

If Notre Dame wants to continue the annual series with Stanford or its season ending games in the Bay Area, it needs to initiate a discussion (with the ACC or Stanford or Cal). Notre Dame is likely prioritizing its new media deal, so this issue is being negotiated first with media companies. I could see NBC (with Fox backing) offering a little more money if ND commits to more games with the B1G (maybe alternating season finales versus USC & UCLA); and ESPN countering with enhanced ACCN distribution if ND fully embraces integrating the newbies with a sixth conference game).

I don’t see ESPN would pay much for ND/Stanford series. But if ESPN does get ND’s TV contract, yeah I guess Stanford series would stay and ND play the 6th ACC game.

NBC would definitely want more ND-B10 matchups. But would ND and UCLA want an annual series?

(11-09-2023 10:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 09:50 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Some of y'all will swallow anything if it has the correct label.

14 - Syracuse, UNC, FSU, Louisville
15 - UVa, GT, Clemson, Pitt, WF, BC
16 - Syracuse, NC State, Miami, VT, Duke
17 - BC, NC State, WF, Miami, UNC
18 - WF, VT, Pitt, FSU, Syracuse
19 - UVa, VT, Duke, BC

Before 2020 and after 29 games Syracuse, BC, WF, and VT had played ND three times. Duke, UNC, Miami, Pitt, and NC State had played ND twice. Clemson, Louisville, FSU, and GT had played them once. That's not a "rotation" even in an expansive use of the term.

ND's original 2020 slate included WF, Pitt, Duke, GT, Louisville and Clemson. The ACC added UNC, FSU, BC, and Syracuse to that.
21 - UNC, FSU, GT, UVa, VT

By the 43rd game UNC, VT, Syracuse, WF, and BC have played ND 4 times. GT, Duke, FSU, and Pitt have played three times. NC State, Miami, Clemson, and Louisville have played just twice (can't count the 2020 ACC title game) You do get that certain teams are back loaded while others are front loaded - right? Back loading and front loading is not really a rotation.

22 - UNC, Syracuse, Clemson, BC
23 - NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Clemson, WF
24 - UVa, FSU, GT, Louis

By the end of 24, 58 games will have been played. In a rotation everyone would have played 4 times right?

The reality is Syracuse, UNC, BC, and WF will have played ND 5 times by then. Pitt will have played just 4. Miami and NC State will have played them just three times.

That's not a rotation. That's just a bushel of games with them being parceled out based on plugging in a scheduling hole. That's why they have been fungible floating from 4-5-6 games a year and with certain games being pushed off or being traded to make room for other schools.

IMO, it's TOO evenly-distributed! If it were my decision to make, I'd like to see more Miami/Notre Dame and less Wake Forest/Notre Dame. More FSU, Pitt and BC, too - but less UVA, UNC, and Duke. I'm ambivalent about NC State (at least the Wolfpack won once!). There is NO reason to schedule an automatic loss for the ACC team!


BTW,
Rotation, n. - (3) the passing of a privilege or responsibility from one member of a group to another in a regularly recurring succession. (5 per year is regular; annual is recurring).
"it has become common for senior academics to act as heads of department in rotation" (Similar: sequence, succession)
(4) a tour of duty, especially by a medical practitioner in training.
"she was completing a rotation in trauma surgery"
(no question this definition applies - playing the Irish can be traumatic!)

regularly recurring succession. really? You think what the ACC does with ND meets the above definition?

(11-09-2023 01:29 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 10:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 09:50 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Some of y'all will swallow anything if it has the correct label.

14 - Syracuse, UNC, FSU, Louisville
15 - UVa, GT, Clemson, Pitt, WF, BC
16 - Syracuse, NC State, Miami, VT, Duke
17 - BC, NC State, WF, Miami, UNC
18 - WF, VT, Pitt, FSU, Syracuse
19 - UVa, VT, Duke, BC

Before 2020 and after 29 games Syracuse, BC, WF, and VT had played ND three times. Duke, UNC, Miami, Pitt, and NC State had played ND twice. Clemson, Louisville, FSU, and GT had played them once. That's not a "rotation" even in an expansive use of the term.

ND's original 2020 slate included WF, Pitt, Duke, GT, Louisville and Clemson. The ACC added UNC, FSU, BC, and Syracuse to that.
21 - UNC, FSU, GT, UVa, VT

By the 43rd game UNC, VT, Syracuse, WF, and BC have played ND 4 times. GT, Duke, FSU, and Pitt have played three times. NC State, Miami, Clemson, and Louisville have played just twice (can't count the 2020 ACC title game) You do get that certain teams are back loaded while others are front loaded - right? Back loading and front loading is not really a rotation.

22 - UNC, Syracuse, Clemson, BC
23 - NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Clemson, WF
24 - UVa, FSU, GT, Louis

By the end of 24, 58 games will have been played. In a rotation everyone would have played 4 times right?

The reality is Syracuse, UNC, BC, and WF will have played ND 5 times by then. Pitt will have played just 4. Miami and NC State will have played them just three times.

That's not a rotation. That's just a bushel of games with them being parceled out based on plugging in a scheduling hole. That's why they have been fungible floating from 4-5-6 games a year and with certain games being pushed off or being traded to make room for other schools.

IMO, it's TOO evenly-distributed! If it were my decision to make, I'd like to see more Miami/Notre Dame and less Wake Forest/Notre Dame. More FSU, Pitt and BC, too - but less UVA, UNC, and Duke. I'm ambivalent about NC State (at least the Wolfpack won once!). There is NO reason to schedule an automatic loss for the ACC team!


BTW,
Rotation, n. - (3) the passing of a privilege or responsibility from one member of a group to another in a regularly recurring succession. (5 per year is regular; annual is recurring).
"it has become common for senior academics to act as heads of department in rotation" (Similar: sequence, succession)
(4) a tour of duty, especially by a medical practitioner in training.
"she was completing a rotation in trauma surgery"
(no question this definition applies - playing the Irish can be traumatic!)

regularly recurring succession. really? You think what the ACC does with ND meets the above definition?

Yes! See Orangefan's post above.

(11-09-2023 02:22 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 01:29 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 10:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 09:50 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Some of y'all will swallow anything if it has the correct label.

14 - Syracuse, UNC, FSU, Louisville
15 - UVa, GT, Clemson, Pitt, WF, BC
16 - Syracuse, NC State, Miami, VT, Duke
17 - BC, NC State, WF, Miami, UNC
18 - WF, VT, Pitt, FSU, Syracuse
19 - UVa, VT, Duke, BC

Before 2020 and after 29 games Syracuse, BC, WF, and VT had played ND three times. Duke, UNC, Miami, Pitt, and NC State had played ND twice. Clemson, Louisville, FSU, and GT had played them once. That's not a "rotation" even in an expansive use of the term.

ND's original 2020 slate included WF, Pitt, Duke, GT, Louisville and Clemson. The ACC added UNC, FSU, BC, and Syracuse to that.
21 - UNC, FSU, GT, UVa, VT

By the 43rd game UNC, VT, Syracuse, WF, and BC have played ND 4 times. GT, Duke, FSU, and Pitt have played three times. NC State, Miami, Clemson, and Louisville have played just twice (can't count the 2020 ACC title game) You do get that certain teams are back loaded while others are front loaded - right? Back loading and front loading is not really a rotation.

22 - UNC, Syracuse, Clemson, BC
23 - NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Clemson, WF
24 - UVa, FSU, GT, Louis

By the end of 24, 58 games will have been played. In a rotation everyone would have played 4 times right?

The reality is Syracuse, UNC, BC, and WF will have played ND 5 times by then. Pitt will have played just 4. Miami and NC State will have played them just three times.

That's not a rotation. That's just a bushel of games with them being parceled out based on plugging in a scheduling hole. That's why they have been fungible floating from 4-5-6 games a year and with certain games being pushed off or being traded to make room for other schools.

IMO, it's TOO evenly-distributed! If it were my decision to make, I'd like to see more Miami/Notre Dame and less Wake Forest/Notre Dame. More FSU, Pitt and BC, too - but less UVA, UNC, and Duke. I'm ambivalent about NC State (at least the Wolfpack won once!). There is NO reason to schedule an automatic loss for the ACC team!


BTW,
Rotation, n. - (3) the passing of a privilege or responsibility from one member of a group to another in a regularly recurring succession. (5 per year is regular; annual is recurring).
"it has become common for senior academics to act as heads of department in rotation" (Similar: sequence, succession)
(4) a tour of duty, especially by a medical practitioner in training.
"she was completing a rotation in trauma surgery"
(no question this definition applies - playing the Irish can be traumatic!)

regularly recurring succession. really? You think what the ACC does with ND meets the above definition?

Yes! See Orangefan's post above.

Remind me never to ask you to read an important contract.

(11-09-2023 12:21 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 10:16 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 09:50 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Some of y'all will swallow anything if it has the correct label.

14 - Syracuse, UNC, FSU, Louisville
15 - UVa, GT, Clemson, Pitt, WF, BC
16 - Syracuse, NC State, Miami, VT, Duke
17 - BC, NC State, WF, Miami, UNC
18 - WF, VT, Pitt, FSU, Syracuse
19 - UVa, VT, Duke, BC

Before 2020 and after 29 games Syracuse, BC, WF, and VT had played ND three times. Duke, UNC, Miami, Pitt, and NC State had played ND twice. Clemson, Louisville, FSU, and GT had played them once. That's not a "rotation" even in an expansive use of the term.

ND's original 2020 slate included WF, Pitt, Duke, GT, Louisville and Clemson. The ACC added UNC, FSU, BC, and Syracuse to that.
21 - UNC, FSU, GT, UVa, VT

By the 43rd game UNC, VT, Syracuse, WF, and BC have played ND 4 times. GT, Duke, FSU, and Pitt have played three times. NC State, Miami, Clemson, and Louisville have played just twice (can't count the 2020 ACC title game) You do get that certain teams are back loaded while others are front loaded - right? Back loading and front loading is not really a rotation.

22 - UNC, Syracuse, Clemson, BC
23 - NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, Clemson, WF
24 - UVa, FSU, GT, Louis

By the end of 24, 58 games will have been played. In a rotation everyone would have played 4 times right?

The reality is Syracuse, UNC, BC, and WF will have played ND 5 times by then. Pitt will have played just 4. Miami and NC State will have played them just three times.

That's not a rotation. That's just a bushel of games with them being parceled out based on plugging in a scheduling hole. That's why they have been fungible floating from 4-5-6 games a year and with certain games being pushed off or being traded to make room for other schools.

No need to be pedantic regarding the use of the word “rotation”. The point is that the ACC is unlikely to schedule CaliStan versus Notre Dame as part of its existing commitment. In other words, the terms of the current ACC & ND football scheduling deal will not be modified to include new ACC members.

If Notre Dame wants to continue the annual series with Stanford or its season ending games in the Bay Area, it needs to initiate a discussion (with the ACC or Stanford or Cal). Notre Dame is likely prioritizing its new media deal, so this issue is being negotiated first with media companies. I could see NBC (with Fox backing) offering a little more money if ND commits to more games with the B1G (maybe alternating season finales versus USC & UCLA); and ESPN countering with enhanced ACCN distribution if ND fully embraces integrating the newbies with a sixth conference game).

I don’t see ESPN would pay much for ND/Stanford series. But if ESPN does get ND’s TV contract, yeah I guess Stanford series would stay and ND play the 6th ACC game.

NBC would definitely want more ND-B10 matchups. But would ND and UCLA want an annual series?

In terms of media ratings I doubt that there is much difference between ND playing Stanford or UCLA. Neither program is a football blue blood. Stanford may provide ND with more long term branding prestige due to its institutional fit and history, but it’s not something that media would easily leverage for revenue in a six year media contract.

I believe that ND wants to continue with NBC, so a deal with ESPN is unlikely. The problem with NBC is that it wants a commitment for too many annual B1G games…which is effectively limiting scheduling flexibility. Yet the reason for being a football independent is to build your brand by designing your own schedules. Depending on NBC’s and the B1G’s terms for a scheduling commitment, ND may be better-off renewing the Stanford series…especially since Stanford may have a frequent presence in the ACCN and ND directly shares in that revenue stream.

I wouldn't expect the new members to be let in on the current ND/ACC agreement.

ND doesn't want to expand it's agreement with the ACC. (i.e. not going to 5.5 or 6 games per year)

And none of the existing schools want to give up their games with ND.

Why would the new teams be included? Just because?