(11-09-2023 08:34 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 04:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 11:18 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 09:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  2) Tulane barely grubs past a 1-7 ECU team and yet moves up a spot.

Aresco’s P6 Marketing worked!

At face value, I think it failed. Nobody I know has ever thought of the AAC as being in the same group with the Power conferences.

But IMO it definitely succeeded in what we might call "G1", meaning it established in people's minds that the AAC was clearly better than the other G-conferences, even when it wasn't.

And that seems to be carrying over to this year, despite the enormous turnover in membership that has resulted in the AAC being historically bad, third best among the G-leagues so far.

Surprise, Quo doesn't give credit to the AAC and throws a couple backhanded statements in.

Now MC will be king, even though he just threw them under the bus for different point. Funny how that works out.

The AAC had the first or second hardest ooc schedule, by the time we get to bowl season that will matter and when it is all said and done the AAC will again be on top and have the NY6 bowls just like it has the last decade with one or two exceptions where we split the Ny6 and #1 rated conference.

No credit? IMO the P6 campaign was very successful in establishing the idea that the AAC was the clear-cut best G5 conference. I think this has paid dividends in that an AAC team seems to get the benefit of the doubt over teams from other conferences.

The AAC is IMO likely to get the NY6 spot, but if it does, it will likely be as in 2021, when it got the NY6 - actually CFP - spot and yet was not the #1 rated conference.

In 2021 it was close. This year the AAC has been just plain bad. I think the SB and MW will have to have a terrible bowl season, and the AAC a great bowl season, for the AAC to finish on top. During the regular season, the AAC has been toast.

(11-09-2023 10:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 08:34 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 04:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 11:18 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 09:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  2) Tulane barely grubs past a 1-7 ECU team and yet moves up a spot.

Aresco’s P6 Marketing worked!

At face value, I think it failed. Nobody I know has ever thought of the AAC as being in the same group with the Power conferences.

But IMO it definitely succeeded in what we might call "G1", meaning it established in people's minds that the AAC was clearly better than the other G-conferences, even when it wasn't.

And that seems to be carrying over to this year, despite the enormous turnover in membership that has resulted in the AAC being historically bad, third best among the G-leagues so far.

Surprise, Quo doesn't give credit to the AAC and throws a couple backhanded statements in.

Now MC will be king, even though he just threw them under the bus for different point. Funny how that works out.

The AAC had the first or second hardest ooc schedule, by the time we get to bowl season that will matter and when it is all said and done the AAC will again be on top and have the NY6 bowls just like it has the last decade with one or two exceptions where we split the Ny6 and #1 rated conference.

No credit? IMO the P6 campaign was very successful in establishing the idea that the AAC was the clear-cut best G5 conference. I think this has paid dividends in that an AAC team seems to get the benefit of the doubt over teams from other conferences.

The AAC is IMO likely to get the NY6 spot, but if it does, it will likely be as in 2021, when it got the NY6 - actually CFP - spot and yet was not the #1 rated conference.

In 2021 it was close. This year the AAC has been just plain bad. I think the SB and MW will have to have a terrible bowl season, and the AAC a great bowl season, for the AAC to finish on top. During the regular season, the AAC has been toast.

Sagarin shows the 3 pretty close with MWC #1, SB #2 and AAC #3. ACC is #5 at 73.81 with a big drop to the MWC #6 at 64.22, SB 63.61, AAC 62.67, MAC 59.29, CUSA 57.61. The AAC has a lousy ooc record and the SB is above .500, but the AAC has just played a tougher schedule. The AAC won't have to do that much better than the other two to end up the best ranked.

(11-08-2023 05:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 04:11 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 04:01 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 03:41 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 06:13 AM)schmolik Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-cfp-top-4

One of the big highlights of the Selection Show was ESPN's Greg McElroy calling out Oregon for being the top one loss team, questioning their strength of schedule.

https://awfulannouncing.com/college-foot...um=twitter

I would have to agree with him right now, if you are ranking Ohio State #1 now because of wins over Penn State and Notre Dame then Texas and Alabama do have to be ranked above Oregon because of better wins (Texas over Alabama and Alabama over Mississippi). I do feel that if Oregon does win out then it all changes because Oregon will have to beat Washington and they will likely have just one loss and they will also beat Oregon State as well to add to their resume. If Alabama were to be in the conversation at the end of the season they would have to beat Georgia and they would be a huge resume boost as well. Of course Texas will have the trump card over Alabama in any case.

I discussed a potential scenario where it came down to undefeated Florida State, Washington, Michigan or Ohio State, and then either Texas or Alabama for #4 (Georgia would be out for sure) and it would obviously be Texas. But what if Oregon beats Washington and it becomes Big 10 champ and Florida State the obvious top two and then Oregon, Texas, and Alabama for #3 and #4? No chance Texas gets left out with Alabama getting in over them but could Oregon be left out?

It's pretty bogus if you look at body of work and SOS.

Alabama has quality wins over:
* 8-1 Ole Miss who is currently #9
* 6-3 LSU who is currently #19
* 7-2 Tennessee who is currently #13

Oregon has quality wins over
* 7-2 Utah who is currently #18
On top playing an FCS team, Hawaii, and 4-5 Texas Tech in OOC.

Right now Alabama does have the better resume.

At the end of the season assuming Oregon and Alabama finish with one loss each you do have to add wins over Oregon State and Washington to Oregon (although you also will have to add a win over Georgia to Alabama as well).

Call me skeptical but I'm not convinced Oregon or Washington are actually as good as their rankings indicate. Neither one of them have been tested by anyone except each other.

Call it bias but I know for a fact that Alabama is good because Alabama is consistently hauling in top 5 recruiting classes, making Heisman winners, winning national championships, has arguably the greatest coach to ever coach CFB.

Bear was better.
And this is just not nearly as good as past Alabama teams. Very sloppy. Miss tackles. Penalties. Miss a downfield threat. If you look at the last 4 recruiting classes, Texas A&M would be top 5 instead of 5-4 and 8th or 9th in the SEC. Of course, Jimbo is not Nick. But its not all about recruiting.

IMO Saban has clearly been better than Bear. Seven titles to six, and six in twelve years, not spread over a longer period of time.

And Saban has operated in an SEC that was IMO far stronger than the SEC of the 60s and 70s that Bear dominated.

As for this year's Alabama. They are 8-1 vs what Sagarin says is the #1 schedule so far in the country. If they aren't as good as his Alabama teams of the past, that shouldn't IMO be held against him, as none of the other CFP contenders this year are either, I think.

(11-09-2023 10:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 10:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 08:34 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 04:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 11:18 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

Aresco’s P6 Marketing worked!

At face value, I think it failed. Nobody I know has ever thought of the AAC as being in the same group with the Power conferences.

But IMO it definitely succeeded in what we might call "G1", meaning it established in people's minds that the AAC was clearly better than the other G-conferences, even when it wasn't.

And that seems to be carrying over to this year, despite the enormous turnover in membership that has resulted in the AAC being historically bad, third best among the G-leagues so far.

Surprise, Quo doesn't give credit to the AAC and throws a couple backhanded statements in.

Now MC will be king, even though he just threw them under the bus for different point. Funny how that works out.

The AAC had the first or second hardest ooc schedule, by the time we get to bowl season that will matter and when it is all said and done the AAC will again be on top and have the NY6 bowls just like it has the last decade with one or two exceptions where we split the Ny6 and #1 rated conference.

No credit? IMO the P6 campaign was very successful in establishing the idea that the AAC was the clear-cut best G5 conference. I think this has paid dividends in that an AAC team seems to get the benefit of the doubt over teams from other conferences.

The AAC is IMO likely to get the NY6 spot, but if it does, it will likely be as in 2021, when it got the NY6 - actually CFP - spot and yet was not the #1 rated conference.

In 2021 it was close. This year the AAC has been just plain bad. I think the SB and MW will have to have a terrible bowl season, and the AAC a great bowl season, for the AAC to finish on top. During the regular season, the AAC has been toast.

Sagarin shows the 3 pretty close with MWC #1, SB #2 and AAC #3. ACC is #5 at 73.81 with a big drop to the MWC #6 at 64.22, SB 63.61, AAC 62.67, MAC 59.29, CUSA 57.61. The AAC has a lousy ooc record and the SB is above .500, but the AAC has just played a tougher schedule. The AAC won't have to do that much better than the other two to end up the best ranked.

Especially if it gets another NY6 win which will cause the domino effect. Coupled with the fact that the AAC has by far the most P5 match ups year in year out for bowls and its pretty easy to see a .500 bowl record with some p5 scalps while the other conferences are beating up on each other means the AAC is coming out ahead.

But that would require quo to be objective and not agenda driven and that ain't happening when it comes to the AAC.

(11-09-2023 10:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 10:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 08:34 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 04:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 11:18 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

Aresco’s P6 Marketing worked!

At face value, I think it failed. Nobody I know has ever thought of the AAC as being in the same group with the Power conferences.

But IMO it definitely succeeded in what we might call "G1", meaning it established in people's minds that the AAC was clearly better than the other G-conferences, even when it wasn't.

And that seems to be carrying over to this year, despite the enormous turnover in membership that has resulted in the AAC being historically bad, third best among the G-leagues so far.

Surprise, Quo doesn't give credit to the AAC and throws a couple backhanded statements in.

Now MC will be king, even though he just threw them under the bus for different point. Funny how that works out.

The AAC had the first or second hardest ooc schedule, by the time we get to bowl season that will matter and when it is all said and done the AAC will again be on top and have the NY6 bowls just like it has the last decade with one or two exceptions where we split the Ny6 and #1 rated conference.

No credit? IMO the P6 campaign was very successful in establishing the idea that the AAC was the clear-cut best G5 conference. I think this has paid dividends in that an AAC team seems to get the benefit of the doubt over teams from other conferences.

The AAC is IMO likely to get the NY6 spot, but if it does, it will likely be as in 2021, when it got the NY6 - actually CFP - spot and yet was not the #1 rated conference.

In 2021 it was close. This year the AAC has been just plain bad. I think the SB and MW will have to have a terrible bowl season, and the AAC a great bowl season, for the AAC to finish on top. During the regular season, the AAC has been toast.

Sagarin shows the 3 pretty close with MWC #1, SB #2 and AAC #3. ACC is #5 at 73.81 with a big drop to the MWC #6 at 64.22, SB 63.61, AAC 62.67, MAC 59.29, CUSA 57.61. The AAC has a lousy ooc record and the SB is above .500, but the AAC has just played a tougher schedule. The AAC won't have to do that much better than the other two to end up the best ranked.

Sagarin does have them pretty close, but I think in the MC the gap is larger. IIRC, right now, the average MC ranking for an SB team is about 76, for the MW is it is about 83, and for the AAC it is about 91. That IMO is going to be a hard gap to close during the bowls.

(11-09-2023 10:46 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 10:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 10:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 08:34 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 04:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  At face value, I think it failed. Nobody I know has ever thought of the AAC as being in the same group with the Power conferences.

But IMO it definitely succeeded in what we might call "G1", meaning it established in people's minds that the AAC was clearly better than the other G-conferences, even when it wasn't.

And that seems to be carrying over to this year, despite the enormous turnover in membership that has resulted in the AAC being historically bad, third best among the G-leagues so far.

Surprise, Quo doesn't give credit to the AAC and throws a couple backhanded statements in.

Now MC will be king, even though he just threw them under the bus for different point. Funny how that works out.

The AAC had the first or second hardest ooc schedule, by the time we get to bowl season that will matter and when it is all said and done the AAC will again be on top and have the NY6 bowls just like it has the last decade with one or two exceptions where we split the Ny6 and #1 rated conference.

No credit? IMO the P6 campaign was very successful in establishing the idea that the AAC was the clear-cut best G5 conference. I think this has paid dividends in that an AAC team seems to get the benefit of the doubt over teams from other conferences.

The AAC is IMO likely to get the NY6 spot, but if it does, it will likely be as in 2021, when it got the NY6 - actually CFP - spot and yet was not the #1 rated conference.

In 2021 it was close. This year the AAC has been just plain bad. I think the SB and MW will have to have a terrible bowl season, and the AAC a great bowl season, for the AAC to finish on top. During the regular season, the AAC has been toast.

Sagarin shows the 3 pretty close with MWC #1, SB #2 and AAC #3. ACC is #5 at 73.81 with a big drop to the MWC #6 at 64.22, SB 63.61, AAC 62.67, MAC 59.29, CUSA 57.61. The AAC has a lousy ooc record and the SB is above .500, but the AAC has just played a tougher schedule. The AAC won't have to do that much better than the other two to end up the best ranked.

Especially if it gets another NY6 win which will cause the domino effect. Coupled with the fact that the AAC has by far the most P5 match ups year in year out for bowls and its pretty easy to see a .500 bowl record with some p5 scalps while the other conferences are beating up on each other means the AAC is coming out ahead.

But that would require quo to be objective and not agenda driven and that ain't happening when it comes to the AAC.

The AAC usually does collect some P5 scalps. But this season hasn't been one of them. IIRC the AAC is currently 1-20 vs the P5, with the one win being Rice over Houston, and Houston is hardly a real P5, they were in the AAC just five months ago.

The AAC has just not gotten it done this year, at least not so far. Now the future? Maybe it will once again. But this year it has been bad, I think.

(11-09-2023 10:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The AAC usually does collect some P5 scalps. But this season hasn't been one of them. IIRC the AAC is currently 1-20 vs the P5, with the one win being Rice over Houston, and Houston is hardly a real P5, they were in the AAC just five months ago.

The AAC has just not gotten it done this year, at least not so far. Now the future? Maybe it will once again. But this year it has been bad, I think.

Well obviously it's worse this year because some of the schools that have been winning games for the AAC vs. the P5's (Cincinnati, UCF) aren't in the AAC anymore.