My hope is that they come up with a Flex-Protect-Plus model that ensures that the following blocks play annually or at least 3/4ths of the time:
The WAC legacy schools: Utah, BYU, Arizona, Ariz St
The Big 8 legacy schools: Colorado, Okla St, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St (by virtue of their being 5 in this block, some are going to have to be flex rivals that play 3 yrs out of 4)
The SWC legacy schools: TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Houston
(11-01-2023 01:14 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: No Rivals
No Scheduling Philosophy
Just Chaos
(snip)
Yeah, nothing screams UCF football like home games vs BYU, Arizona, Cincy, Colorado and Utah. I mean, those are right in your back yard.
At least their at home and we avoided getting multiple roundtrips to 4C in the same season.
Everyone out west can bring their kids to Disney and go to a UCF game. Stay in a hotel near UCF. Justify our Tourism Tax Development funding from Orange County.
(This post was last modified: 11-01-2023 03:16 PM by ArmoredUpKnight.)
Everyone plays each other twice. You play teams you share history/geography with 3 times. In-state rivals play 4 times. UCF's schedule is the most random.
(This post was last modified: 11-01-2023 03:11 PM by CougarRed.)
(11-01-2023 02:35 AM)Sparty Baby 84 Wrote: Put differently, if anyone reading this started a podcast tomorrow about any topic chosen at random, that first podcast episode would draw similar ratings to the 2024 Big XII Championship Game.
Remind me, what were the Kansas St-TCU Big XII championship ratings again.
LOL
He probably just thought the decimal was in the wrong spot. No way it could have been 9.41m, must have been .941m. That 9.41m, btw, beat every B1G regular season game in 2022 other than ND-OSU and the Big Game.
Those 4 are the hottest by far. All of the others? They can play 2 of every 3 years, and only a couple true rivalry games allows everybody to play lots of games in Texas, Arizona and Florida. Though, for me, I'd rather play games in Utah, that State has amazing and beautiful geography.
Everyone plays each other twice. You play teams you share history/geography with 3 times. In-state rivals play 4 times. UCF's schedule is the most random.
Not true for Texas. Missing UH/TT, UH/Baylor, UH/TCU, TT/TCU, TT/Baylor.
(11-01-2023 02:54 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: My hope is that they come up with a Flex-Protect-Plus model that ensures that the following blocks play annually or at least 3/4ths of the time:
The WAC legacy schools: Utah, BYU, Arizona, Ariz St
The Big 8 legacy schools: Colorado, Okla St, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St (by virtue of their being 5 in this block, some are going to have to be flex rivals that play 3 yrs out of 4)
The SWC legacy schools: TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Houston
The Big East legacy schools: Cincinnati, WVU, UCF
Seems pretty doable to me.
They kinda did that.
Look. Pods! I am somewhat surprised Colorado did not get more legacy Big 8 games.
(This post was last modified: 11-01-2023 03:37 PM by Crayton.)
Everyone plays each other twice. You play teams you share history/geography with 3 times. In-state rivals play 4 times. UCF's schedule is the most random.
So our emphasized match ups are Tech, TCU, Baylor, Cincy, Arizona, and Colorado. Very nice!
Everyone plays each other twice. You play teams you share history/geography with 3 times. In-state rivals play 4 times. UCF's schedule is the most random.
Logical but not good.
Rivalries matter. Can't believe Farmageddon isn't every year. When you don't play every year some of the spice goes away. Only 8 schools have an every year rival.
Everybody should have at least two every year rivals. This type of a schedule is a long term detriment to fan interest.
You could do Utah-BYU, KSU-KU, TCU-BU, AZ-ASU +
Utah-CU, CU-AZ, ASU-BYU for the west.
UC-WVU, WVU-UCF and UCF-UC for the east.
KSU-ISU, ISU-KU for the Big 12 North.
OSU-TT, OSU-BU, TT-UH, TCU-UH for the SWC wing.
That would give you 2 every year, 2 three times and the other 11 two times in 4 years.
(This post was last modified: 11-01-2023 03:51 PM by bullet.)
Everyone plays each other twice. You play teams you share history/geography with 3 times. In-state rivals play 4 times. UCF's schedule is the most random.
Logical but not good.
Rivalries matter. Can't believe Farmageddon isn't every year. When you don't play every year some of the spice goes away. Only 8 schools have an every year rival.
Everybody should have at least two every year rivals. This type of a schedule is a long term detriment to fan interest.
You could do Utah-BYU, KSU-KU, TCU-BU, AZ-ASU +
Utah-CU, CU-AZ, ASU-BYU for the west.
UC-WVU, WVU-UCF and UCF-UC for the east.
KSU-ISU, ISU-KU for the Big 12 North.
OSU-TT, OSU-BU, TT-UH, TCU-UH for the SWC wing.
That would give you 2 every year, 2 three times and the other 11 two times in 4 years.
Farmageddon got 373k viewership on ESPNU last season.
The network doesn't value the game, why should the conference...
Open up the schedules and see what rivalries develop naturally in the New Big 12. The conference has been Red River dependent for so long, it will be nice to see the marketing dollars go somewhere else for a change.
(This post was last modified: 11-01-2023 03:56 PM by ArmoredUpKnight.)
Everyone plays each other twice. You play teams you share history/geography with 3 times. In-state rivals play 4 times. UCF's schedule is the most random.
Logical but not good.
Rivalries matter. Can't believe Farmageddon isn't every year. When you don't play every year some of the spice goes away. Only 8 schools have an every year rival.
Everybody should have at least two every year rivals. This type of a schedule is a long term detriment to fan interest.
You could do Utah-BYU, KSU-KU, TCU-BU, AZ-ASU +
Utah-CU, CU-AZ, ASU-BYU for the west.
UC-WVU, WVU-UCF and UCF-UC for the east.
KSU-ISU, ISU-KU for the Big 12 North.
OSU-TT, OSU-BU, TT-UH, TCU-UH for the SWC wing.
That would give you 2 every year, 2 three times and the other 11 two times in 4 years.
Farmageddon got 373k viewership on ESPNU last season.
The network doesn't value the game, why should the conference...
Open up the schedules and see what rivalries develop naturally in the New Big 12. The conference has been Red River dependent for so long, it will be nice to see the marketing dollars go somewhere else for a change.
The fans and teams care. UCF hasn't been around long enough to have rivals.
Its the rivalries that create atmosphere and are the reason the SEC and Big 10 are so much more valuable than the other conferences. Rivalry games matter when both teams are bad or when both teams are good or when they have very different records.
Oh, and nobody draws decent on ESPNU. (edit-on Sic-em, the ESPNU average is 339k).
(This post was last modified: 11-01-2023 04:05 PM by bullet.)
(11-01-2023 02:35 AM)Sparty Baby 84 Wrote: To be honest, I don't think it matters much. Outside of Colorado and Utah, nobody around the county will bother watching any of these teams play.
Starting next year SEC fans and Big Ten fans will both be enjoying juiced-up conferences. With the novelty of Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, Washington, USC, and University of China-Los Angeles games against decades of their familiar loved/hated schools, is their really any time left to give a rip about a Texas Tech game?
For example,
[random SEC team] like Auburn-Texas will draw a huge TV number because fans of both teams will want to see and enjoy/discover the newness. This theory is exactly why A&M Star QB Johnathan Football got hugely popular and won the Heisman (note: many Big XII QB's did the same thing as Johnny, but their efforts went unnoticed in the Big XII year after year prior to him; related fun fact: nobody remembers Patrick Mahomes even played in college because he played for Texas Tech)
Millions of people (sickos, I'm one of them) watch Iowa and Nebraska now against anyone because it is what it is and we love it. Those viewing numbers aren't going down for Nebraska/Iowa-USC/UCLA/UW/Oregon.
I also think it is a scientific fact that Cincinnati-Baylor was seen by less people than AEW Dark, which is pro wrestling show that airs on youtube the app. Put differently, if anyone reading this started a podcast tomorrow about any topic chosen at random, that first podcast episode would draw similar ratings to the 2024 Big XII Championship Game.
But in all seriousness, there's a reason Yormark cares more about basketball. He's smart and he knows nobody is going to stick around to watch Big XII football games after OUT leaves. He's also correct that high-profile Gonzaga and UConn basketball games will draw more viewers than any Big XII football game next year.
So yeah, I might watch West Virginia games because I have a soft spot for them (I know many of their fans, great people, been to the state many times). I might hate watch Dieon's Colorado Buffaloes if they are playing a team that's going to kill them. Eh maybe I'd watch Utah just because they are a strong program, but that's about it.
I have a ton of new Big Ten games to care about (and yeah, we as in the Big Ten are going to counterprogram anything the Big XII even attempts to hype, and I'm sure the SEC will do the same... and when we get Notre Dame in the mix?!?!?!... haha I don't think we will even recognize the Big XII's existence because there will be so much quality hate watching to do... haha we will literally all have two favorite Big Ten teams then, ours and whoever Notre Dame is playing!)
And whenever I'm not watching these shiny new Big Ten games in my mancave, I'll be watching the shiny new SEC games instead. Those two conferences and weekday MAC-tion is about all I will realistically care about after this year. I might someday sneak in a Florida State game maybe... eh maybe not. But I speak for the millions and millions when I say the Big XII is no longer a big deal. Disagree? Respond by telling me what the biggest remaining matchup is in Big XII football.
I would rather watch UCF, BYU, and a lot of the Big 12 teams over Michigan State. Dude, you guys have had some success but realistically your school is just another Iowa State type program that was lucky enough to have a seat at the table when the dance started.
Everyone plays each other twice. You play teams you share history/geography with 3 times. In-state rivals play 4 times. UCF's schedule is the most random.
Logical but not good.
Rivalries matter. Can't believe Farmageddon isn't every year. When you don't play every year some of the spice goes away. Only 8 schools have an every year rival.
Everybody should have at least two every year rivals. This type of a schedule is a long term detriment to fan interest.
You could do Utah-BYU, KSU-KU, TCU-BU, AZ-ASU +
Utah-CU, CU-AZ, ASU-BYU for the west.
UC-WVU, WVU-UCF and UCF-UC for the east.
KSU-ISU, ISU-KU for the Big 12 North.
OSU-TT, OSU-BU, TT-UH, TCU-UH for the SWC wing.
That would give you 2 every year, 2 three times and the other 11 two times in 4 years.
Farmageddon got 373k viewership on ESPNU last season.
The network doesn't value the game, why should the conference...
Open up the schedules and see what rivalries develop naturally in the New Big 12. The conference has been Red River dependent for so long, it will be nice to see the marketing dollars go somewhere else for a change.
The fans and teams care. UCF hasn't been around long enough to have rivals.
Its the rivalries that create atmosphere and are the reason the SEC and Big 10 are so much more valuable than the other conferences. Rivalry games matter when both teams are bad or when both teams are good or when they have very different records.
Oh, and nobody draws decent on ESPNU. (edit-on Sic-em, the ESPNU average is 339k).
The point being that if it was a good rivalry it wouldn't be on ESPNU. It would be on ABC, FOX, or ESPN.
All I am saying is that I am happy the New Conference is open to New Rivalries forming naturally. Yormark is a forward thinker not held back by history or traditional thinking.
(11-01-2023 02:35 AM)Sparty Baby 84 Wrote: To be honest, I don't think it matters much. Outside of Colorado and Utah, nobody around the county will bother watching any of these teams play.
Starting next year SEC fans and Big Ten fans will both be enjoying juiced-up conferences. With the novelty of Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, Washington, USC, and University of China-Los Angeles games against decades of their familiar loved/hated schools, is their really any time left to give a rip about a Texas Tech game?
For example,
[random SEC team] like Auburn-Texas will draw a huge TV number because fans of both teams will want to see and enjoy/discover the newness. This theory is exactly why A&M Star QB Johnathan Football got hugely popular and won the Heisman (note: many Big XII QB's did the same thing as Johnny, but their efforts went unnoticed in the Big XII year after year prior to him; related fun fact: nobody remembers Patrick Mahomes even played in college because he played for Texas Tech)
Millions of people (sickos, I'm one of them) watch Iowa and Nebraska now against anyone because it is what it is and we love it. Those viewing numbers aren't going down for Nebraska/Iowa-USC/UCLA/UW/Oregon.
I also think it is a scientific fact that Cincinnati-Baylor was seen by less people than AEW Dark, which is pro wrestling show that airs on youtube the app. Put differently, if anyone reading this started a podcast tomorrow about any topic chosen at random, that first podcast episode would draw similar ratings to the 2024 Big XII Championship Game.
But in all seriousness, there's a reason Yormark cares more about basketball. He's smart and he knows nobody is going to stick around to watch Big XII football games after OUT leaves. He's also correct that high-profile Gonzaga and UConn basketball games will draw more viewers than any Big XII football game next year.
So yeah, I might watch West Virginia games because I have a soft spot for them (I know many of their fans, great people, been to the state many times). I might hate watch Dieon's Colorado Buffaloes if they are playing a team that's going to kill them. Eh maybe I'd watch Utah just because they are a strong program, but that's about it.
I have a ton of new Big Ten games to care about (and yeah, we as in the Big Ten are going to counterprogram anything the Big XII even attempts to hype, and I'm sure the SEC will do the same... and when we get Notre Dame in the mix?!?!?!... haha I don't think we will even recognize the Big XII's existence because there will be so much quality hate watching to do... haha we will literally all have two favorite Big Ten teams then, ours and whoever Notre Dame is playing!)
And whenever I'm not watching these shiny new Big Ten games in my mancave, I'll be watching the shiny new SEC games instead. Those two conferences and weekday MAC-tion is about all I will realistically care about after this year. I might someday sneak in a Florida State game maybe... eh maybe not. But I speak for the millions and millions when I say the Big XII is no longer a big deal. Disagree? Respond by telling me what the biggest remaining matchup is in Big XII football.
I would rather watch UCF, BYU, and a lot of the Big 12 teams over Michigan State. Dude, you guys have had some success but realistically your school is just another Iowa State type program that was lucky enough to have a seat at the table when the dance started.
Lucky? Not really. Michigan State won their way into the Big Ten years ago.
(11-01-2023 01:18 PM)RUScarlets Wrote: I don’t think flex protect makes any sense whatsoever for this Big 12… sorry. But go ahead and fit the square peg in the round hole.
I thought the ACC scheduling was chaotic.
The NB12 will have 16 teams and play 9 games.
Why don’t they go with the 3-6-6? That would be simple and minimize travel.
I thought Arizona State was going to play at WVU in 2024 because their AD ran his mouth and said he's not going to Morgantown and he'd send his deputy AD instead. You let me down Big 12, I would've watched that game.
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