I heard the libs were bringing back the Yugo with an electric engine. They want population reduction, that'll do it!

(10-29-2023 03:10 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Given that Ford is building a huge plant near Elizabethtown, KY to support EV production, I wonder if that will be delayed in completion, or if Ford may even close a plant elsewhere.

The mentioned they're pausing the KY battery plants. I assume those are the 2 Blue Oval SK plants.

The 2 other EV related plants, another battery plant and the vehicle manufacturing plant in TN, are still a go as of now.

GM Backtracks on Joe Biden’s Green Energy Agenda After Investing Billions

Quote:After investing billions to adhere to President Joe Biden’s green energy agenda, General Motors (GM) is backtracking on all fronts when it comes to Electric Vehicles (EVs).

As GM was the last of the Big Three to strike a tentative agreement with the United Auto Workers (UAW), the automaker’s green energy dreams — championed by the Biden administration — have come crumbling down.

GM CEO Mary Barra, a close ally of Biden’s, has said the automaker will not begin to attempt to produce 400,000 EVs from 2022 through mid-2024 as initially planned. GM is also delaying retooling its plant in Orion Township, Michigan, to build EV pickup trucks.

Days ago, GM had to begin offering owners of its Chevy Bolt about $1,400 to install a diagnostic program to determine if the vehicle’s EV battery is defective. The move came after GM had to recall all of its Chevy Bolts due to the EV battery issues and a class action settlement over the battery problems is anticipated in the near future.

In addition, GM executives are having to delay launching a number of their EV models such as the Chevrolet Equinox EV, the Chevrolet Silverado EV RST, and the GMC Sierra EV Denali.

Those launch delays have coincided with GM and Honda ending their billion-dollar joint venture to produce affordable EVs for Americans as well as markets in South America and China.

The end of that joint venture comes as demand for EVs among Americans has plummeted with the all-electric cars staying on dealership lots for an average of 65 days — way up from last year’s average of about 21 days.

“The American public is not ready for the broad adoption of electric vehicles. There are maybe 10 percent to 12 percent of people who really want an electric vehicle … the remainder still want internal combustion,” former GM executive Bob Lutz said this week.

Aside from potential customers, auto workers at GM have largely been turned off EVs and Biden’s green energy agenda that seeks to foist them on the American public. As part of its deal with GM, the UAW made sure to bring the automaker’s EV plants into its tentative contract so that workers will score higher wages than currently.

GM executives had hoped to keep auto workers at its EV plants out of such contracts. Also significant is the deal’s strike provision which gives GM’s employees the right to strike whenever the automaker closes one of its plants.

While GM stumbles, China is ready to flood the U.S. market with cheap EVs.

Breitbart News Senior Editor-at-Large Rebecca Mansour has long warned that without major investment in domestic manufacturing and auto workers, steep tariffs, and time for American automakers to adjust, China will dominate the EV industry.

“A Biden-led administration’s rapid push towards an all-electric future would rob U.S. auto workers of the advantage of experience and U.S. auto plants of the advantage of previously built manufacturing capacity,” Mansour wrote in October 2020. “… rushed and without tariffs, most of this will likely end up in China — just like all the rest of American manufacturing thanks to decades of failed trade policies like Joe Biden’s.”

China already has a major advantage over the U.S. in that it controls much of the EV lithium-ion battery supply chain including minerals such as nickel, graphite, lithium, and cobalt.

(10-29-2023 01:39 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 12:03 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 08:17 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  They specifically cited EV lack of demand in all calls to investors and letters this week.

Which is not new information. Half the business case of buying an EV right now is based on two things: ease of access / already existing home charging, and ROI in the middle of a paradigm shift. Said differently, most of the customer base don't have home charging and are unsure if the expensive, new vehicles won't become obsolete in a few years as better cars come out.

Tapping the brakes right now is a perfectly logical move

Weren't you in here not too long ago urging us to put the pedal to the metal and buy in on the whole EV fallacy? Now that the fallacy has been exposed you're all for pumping the brakes. Way to stand on your principles.

I'll take up for Kruciff.. I don't recall him pushing EVs.. That poster is no longer able to be with us.

Consumer: Naw, an all electric vehicle doesn't fit with my lifestyle. With all the issues with EVs, all they are good for is quick short trips around town. I need something that can haul things like my family and all our stuff on trips. Something that doesn't need to be plugged in and works just as well in the cold.

Expert: Well, if the American auto manufacturers aren't making them, the Chinese will flood our market and dominate.

Consumer: Well, THAT changes things! I'm gonna buy a cheap, Chinese made EV then.



I just don't see that happening.........

(10-31-2023 02:48 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Consumer: Naw, an all electric vehicle doesn't fit with my lifestyle. With all the issues with EVs, all they are good for is quick short trips around town. I need something that can haul things like my family and all our stuff on trips. Something that doesn't need to be plugged in and works just as well in the cold.

Expert: Well, if the American auto manufacturers aren't making them, the Chinese will flood our market and dominate.

Consumer: Well, THAT changes things! I'm gonna buy a cheap, Chinese made EV then.



I just don't see that happening.........

The need for EV isn't there.

While we need to find viable sources of fuel, the idea that we can simply legislate people into having electric vehicles starting at year blah blah isn't feasible.

I believe I've seen it posted here many times, manufacturers need to look to hybrid engine technology while still focusing on EV until we get all the pieces in place. What was trying to be pushed was nothing more than a fool's errand.

(10-31-2023 02:50 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 02:48 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Consumer: Naw, an all electric vehicle doesn't fit with my lifestyle. With all the issues with EVs, all they are good for is quick short trips around town. I need something that can haul things like my family and all our stuff on trips. Something that doesn't need to be plugged in and works just as well in the cold.

Expert: Well, if the American auto manufacturers aren't making them, the Chinese will flood our market and dominate.

Consumer: Well, THAT changes things! I'm gonna buy a cheap, Chinese made EV then.



I just don't see that happening.........

The need for EV isn't there.

While we need to find viable sources of fuel, the idea that we can simply legislate people into having electric vehicles starting at year blah blah isn't feasible.

I believe I've seen it posted here many times, manufacturers need to look to hybrid engine technology while still focusing on EV until we get all the pieces in place. What was trying to be pushed was nothing more than a fool's errand.

hybrid was easily the next 'common sense' approach/gen as the infrastructure and tech would continually evolve at a pace based on demand - that shite takes decades ... but napes ... we got arse raped by the the chinks + muh bidet*s = 21st century robber barons w/o the recourse of Teddy!

how long have the pigs in slop been flying at this point?!

#muhReGreta's

@YaGotFk'dAgain @won'tBeTheLastTime

this one will go down in modern history as the wealth siphon of all time ... it's going to make the internutz bubble in '99 look like a hiccup...

(10-31-2023 02:48 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Consumer: Naw, an all electric vehicle doesn't fit with my lifestyle. With all the issues with EVs, all they are good for is quick short trips around town. I need something that can haul things like my family and all our stuff on trips. Something that doesn't need to be plugged in and works just as well in the cold.

Expert: Well, if the American auto manufacturers aren't making them, the Chinese will flood our market and dominate.

Consumer: Well, THAT changes things! I'm gonna buy a cheap, Chinese made EV then.



I just don't see that happening.........

back in the 70s, we called 'em golf carts ... now those stupid tricked out biatches go north of 10k ... chew on that stupid shite for a nano....

At least the golf carts that I use won't spontaneously combust in the garage and burn your house down.

(10-31-2023 04:34 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  At least the golf carts that I use won't spontaneously combust in the garage and burn your house down.

(10-31-2023 03:59 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 02:50 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-31-2023 02:48 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Consumer: Naw, an all electric vehicle doesn't fit with my lifestyle. With all the issues with EVs, all they are good for is quick short trips around town. I need something that can haul things like my family and all our stuff on trips. Something that doesn't need to be plugged in and works just as well in the cold.

Expert: Well, if the American auto manufacturers aren't making them, the Chinese will flood our market and dominate.

Consumer: Well, THAT changes things! I'm gonna buy a cheap, Chinese made EV then.



I just don't see that happening.........

The need for EV isn't there.

While we need to find viable sources of fuel, the idea that we can simply legislate people into having electric vehicles starting at year blah blah isn't feasible.

I believe I've seen it posted here many times, manufacturers need to look to hybrid engine technology while still focusing on EV until we get all the pieces in place. What was trying to be pushed was nothing more than a fool's errand.

hybrid was easily the next 'common sense' approach/gen as the infrastructure and tech would continually evolve at a pace based on demand - that shite takes decades ... but napes ... we got arse raped by the the chinks + muh bidet*s = 21st century robber barons w/o the recourse of Teddy!

how long have the pigs in slop been flying at this point?!

#muhReGreta's

@YaGotFk'dAgain @won'tBeTheLastTime

this one will go down in modern history as the wealth siphon of all time ... it's going to make the internutz bubble in '99 look like a hiccup...

It's amazing the last two Democratic Presidents push for green energy, we foot the bill for them to get started.. Then they go belly up... One has to wonder how much stake these people have in it.