(11-01-2023 01:53 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 11:30 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I should have went to college in Hawaii!! You have some real babes over there, Hawaii Mongoose!!!

I should know. I married one!

I had thought about going to game Saturday night, but we ended up staying at Keawaula Beach until sunset.

(11-01-2023 05:08 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 01:53 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 11:30 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I should have went to college in Hawaii!! You have some real babes over there, Hawaii Mongoose!!!

I should know. I married one!

I had thought about going to game Saturday night, but we ended up staying at Keawaula Beach until sunset.

Good decision. San Jose State clobbered UH. I'm sure the sunset was prettier than the game, and assuming you were here on vacation, I hope you enjoyed your time in Hawaii!

I do have to say it was a great homecoming for Chevan Cordeiro. He finished 16-26 for 251 yards and two TDs, and made some amazing throws. UH fans are still lamenting his 2021 transfer to the Spartans to escape Todd Graham. Ah, what could have been.

(10-30-2023 08:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 08:39 AM)goofus Wrote:  The thing I wonder about is this trend could spread to other parts of the country. Could attendance for Big Ten games slip to 30k in 20 years? I mean what's the reason to go on a cold November day where you have to fight traffic and drunken fans where you could just stay home and watch on tv. Or a new trend I heard about, go to the local movie theater and watch the game there.

I think TVs are the biggest threat, combined with the nature of CFB media deals which is that basically every FBS game is available on your TV, either via cable or streaming at very little cost. Those are a lethal combination. Pro leagues avoid this in part by making the second aspect, seeing all the games, very expensive to do.

I mean, I just bought a 50" 4KTV, it cost me $230 with tax and delivery to my front door. That is just insane. The CFB games look great on it.

In 1998, I bought my first "wide screen" TV. It was 40", and was standard resolution, 480p. That cost $2300 shipped, which is about $4300 in today's dollars, and was a steal at the price, it was selling for $2800 at most places.

Yeah its a totally different world. Cell phones have gone from a convenience when traveling to a personal assistant.

95% of college FB programs have already seen their historically best crowds because of TV controlled start times limiting what is best for a program. This in addition to ease of watching from home is hurting.

Stanford's attendance problems are a cautionary tale for other P5 programs IMO.

(11-01-2023 05:24 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 05:08 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 01:53 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 11:30 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I should have went to college in Hawaii!! You have some real babes over there, Hawaii Mongoose!!!

I should know. I married one!

I had thought about going to game Saturday night, but we ended up staying at Keawaula Beach until sunset.

Good decision. San Jose State clobbered UH. I'm sure the sunset was prettier than the game, and assuming you were here on vacation, I hope you enjoyed your time in Hawaii!

I do have to say it was a great homecoming for Chevan Cordeiro. He finished 16-26 for 251 yards and two TDs, and made some amazing throws. UH fans are still lamenting his 2021 transfer to the Spartans to escape Todd Graham. Ah, what could have been.

Vacation and Softball - had a softball tournament at Patsy Mink Park on Saturday morning/all day Sunday. Had a great time - zip-lining, hiked out to Ka'ena Point, saw Hawaiian Monk Seals and lots of seabirds, and of course, garlic shrimp and more food :)

(11-01-2023 05:34 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 05:24 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 05:08 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 01:53 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 11:30 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I should have went to college in Hawaii!! You have some real babes over there, Hawaii Mongoose!!!

I should know. I married one!

I had thought about going to game Saturday night, but we ended up staying at Keawaula Beach until sunset.

Good decision. San Jose State clobbered UH. I'm sure the sunset was prettier than the game, and assuming you were here on vacation, I hope you enjoyed your time in Hawaii!

I do have to say it was a great homecoming for Chevan Cordeiro. He finished 16-26 for 251 yards and two TDs, and made some amazing throws. UH fans are still lamenting his 2021 transfer to the Spartans to escape Todd Graham. Ah, what could have been.

Vacation and Softball - had a softball tournament at Patsy Mink Park on Saturday morning/all day Sunday. Had a great time - zip-lining, hiked out to Ka'ena Point, saw Hawaiian Monk Seals and lots of seabirds, and of course, garlic shrimp and more food :)

Awesome, glad to hear it!

(11-01-2023 03:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 10:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  [Stanford] draws fans when they win - same as most teams.

Most P5 schools draw pretty well win or lose. Virginia Tech is certainly a good example of that.

How would you know with VT? When the Hokies are losing, they sell 90% of the seats, but when they win they sell 100%... how many more tickets could they sell when they are winning? We may never know!

(11-01-2023 04:56 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 03:45 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 01:53 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 11:30 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I should have went to college in Hawaii!! You have some real babes over there, Hawaii Mongoose!!!

I should know. I married one!

Good for you, HMongoose. And good for your wife, because you are a classy gentleman who is one of this board's most respected posters.

And I agree fully with your point about Hawaii. American football is popular in Hawaii, so many of that state's multitude of Asian-Americans enjoy it and, as such, the Rainbow Warriors benefit related to attendance from those fans.

In contrast, Nashville/Vanderbilt is different (as you might know) related to Asian and Asian-American VU students' interest in football. I don't see as many of them in the stands for football games as I do for men's basketball games (which seem to be very popular for the Asian students). Of note, the Vanderbilt student body is about 16 percent Asian and Asian-American, according to the university.

https://as.vanderbilt.edu/news/2023/01/1...a-studies/

Bill, thank you for the kind words.

I think mikeinsec127 (edit: and Sactowndog) make a good point. A big driver is whether the students are from abroad. Regardless of racial/ethnic background, if they're from a foreign country or are first-generation immigrants, it's unlikely that American football will be of great interest to them. They can identify more with basketball, soccer, or even baseball.

On the other hand, students whose families immigrated two or more generations ago are a lot more likely to have grown up watching and/or playing football and to have family members who did the same. Regardless of racial/ethnic background, kids who have had that experience will be fairly likely to attend football games.

The main reason you see so many Asian faces in the photos I posted is that Honolulu is full of Asian people whose families have been in the Islands for many decades. Their fathers and grandfathers played high school football here. They grew up tailgating in the Aloha Stadium parking lot before filing in to watch Timmy Chang or Colt Brennan throw touchdown passes. In Hawaii, football is part of the culture.

Excellent points, HMongoose.

My brother and his wife (and their family) visited Hawaii recently and had an outstanding time. They stayed part of the time in Honolulu. He said the sheer number of buildings is amazing.

(11-01-2023 05:57 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 03:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 10:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  [Stanford] draws fans when they win - same as most teams.

Most P5 schools draw pretty well win or lose. Virginia Tech is certainly a good example of that.

How would you know with VT? When the Hokies are losing, they sell 90% of the seats, but when they win they sell 100%... how many more tickets could they sell when they are winning? We may never know!

Because your 90% is still pretty good.
Stanford is around 50% when not good.

(10-30-2023 08:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 08:39 AM)goofus Wrote:  The thing I wonder about is this trend could spread to other parts of the country. Could attendance for Big Ten games slip to 30k in 20 years? I mean what's the reason to go on a cold November day where you have to fight traffic and drunken fans where you could just stay home and watch on tv. Or a new trend I heard about, go to the local movie theater and watch the game there.

I think TVs are the biggest threat, combined with the nature of CFB media deals which is that basically every FBS game is available on your TV, either via cable or streaming at very little cost. Those are a lethal combination. Pro leagues avoid this in part by making the second aspect, seeing all the games, very expensive to do.

I mean, I just bought a 50" 4KTV, it cost me $230 with tax and delivery to my front door. That is just insane. The CFB games look great on it.

In 1998, I bought my first "wide screen" TV. It was 40", and was standard resolution, 480p. That cost $2300 shipped, which is about $4300 in today's dollars, and was a steal at the price, it was selling for $2800 at most places.

That and the amount of time it takes to attend a football game nowadays. If you don't tailgate you are still looking at about 6 hours for the game and traveling back and forth to it. For that you get about 20 minutes of actual action. The reason why FB is so profitable is because of all the commercial breaks to sell advertising. TV is diving the bus right now.