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for the below, I've only looked at FBS opponents, and these numbers were prior to this weekend

Clark's 1st season (which was considered wildly successful)...
our opponents had an overall winning percentage of .504 (this year our opponents have a record of .684)
the teams we beat had a winning percentage of .344 (this year the team we beat has a record of .429)
the teams we lost to had a winning percentage of .628 (this year the teams that beat us have a record of .842)
against teams with a record of .500 or better, we were 1-5 (this year we're 1-0 in that category)

Clark improved from that 1st year, but still made a career of beating teams with losing records (over his UAB career, he had a losing record against teams that finished .500 or better). So far, Dilfer hasn't had the luxury of playing those loser teams.

nobody is happy about being 2-6...but let's try to have a little perspective

(10-21-2023 05:17 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(10-21-2023 05:08 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  Dilfer will have all the time in the world. UAB makes sure coaches get plenty of time to bury their programs as deeply as possible. It takes at least four years to properly gut a fan base and crush all momentum and expectations although it looks like it already happened in less than two.

This is when we were supposed to be positioning ourselves for further realignment, with new facilities and a tradition of winning. Instead we're basically back to pre-Return status. Seriously revolting developments.

Were we selling out Protective with Clark? I must've missed those games.

No but if you don't see the drop off in the stands then you're blind. A good % of regulars have said "nope" to our laughable coaching transition. All momentum from The Return has now been lost. We're back to 2013 except for the shiny new digs that don't seem to have helped us all that much.

Hiring Dilfer is not the problem. The fact that Dilfer decided to bring along inexperience with him in KEY positions is the problem. No, money for assistants is not the issue either. Loyalty to a HS coach is why we won’t go bowling this year.

(10-21-2023 05:08 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  Dilfer will have all the time in the world. UAB makes sure coaches get plenty of time to bury their programs as deeply as possible. It takes at least four years to properly gut a fan base and crush all momentum and expectations although it looks like it already happened in less than two.

This is when we were supposed to be positioning ourselves for further realignment, with new facilities and a tradition of winning. Instead we're basically back to pre-Return status. Seriously revolting developments.

Ray has executed the plan set out by Fess perfectly. About time for him and Mark Ingram to get a contract extension and pay bump.

(10-21-2023 05:23 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(10-21-2023 05:17 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(10-21-2023 05:08 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  Dilfer will have all the time in the world. UAB makes sure coaches get plenty of time to bury their programs as deeply as possible. It takes at least four years to properly gut a fan base and crush all momentum and expectations although it looks like it already happened in less than two.

This is when we were supposed to be positioning ourselves for further realignment, with new facilities and a tradition of winning. Instead we're basically back to pre-Return status. Seriously revolting developments.

Were we selling out Protective with Clark? I must've missed those games.

No but if you don't see the drop off in the stands then you're blind. A good % of regulars have said "nope" to our laughable coaching transition. All momentum from The Return has now been lost. We're back to 2013 except for the shiny new digs that don't seem to have helped us all that much.

And it’s not just that we are losing, and that is huge… but we are getting thumped by every team

(10-21-2023 05:23 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(10-21-2023 05:17 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(10-21-2023 05:08 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  Dilfer will have all the time in the world. UAB makes sure coaches get plenty of time to bury their programs as deeply as possible. It takes at least four years to properly gut a fan base and crush all momentum and expectations although it looks like it already happened in less than two.

This is when we were supposed to be positioning ourselves for further realignment, with new facilities and a tradition of winning. Instead we're basically back to pre-Return status. Seriously revolting developments.

Were we selling out Protective with Clark? I must've missed those games.

No but if you don't see the drop off in the stands then you're blind. A good % of regulars have said "nope" to our laughable coaching transition. All momentum from The Return has now been lost. We're back to 2013 except for the shiny new digs that don't seem to have helped us all that much.

Clark’s last 2 games in 2021 had 21k and 19k and that was a team that went 8-4. Today we had 20K for a 2-5 team. McGee last game in 2013 had 9k, I think the comparisons to 2013 are a little premature.

(10-21-2023 05:22 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  for the below, I've only looked at FBS opponents, and these numbers were prior to this weekend

Clark's 1st season (which was considered wildly successful)...
our opponents had an overall winning percentage of .504 (this year our opponents have a record of .684)
the teams we beat had a winning percentage of .344 (this year the team we beat has a record of .429)
the teams we lost to had a winning percentage of .628 (this year the teams that beat us have a record of .842)
against teams with a record of .500 or better, we were 1-5 (this year we're 1-0 in that category)

Clark improved from that 1st year, but still made a career of beating teams with losing records (over his UAB career, he had a losing record against teams that finished .500 or better). So far, Dilfer hasn't had the luxury of playing those loser teams.

nobody is happy about being 2-6...but let's try to have a little perspective

That's loser talk! Grab your pitchforks and torches!

(10-21-2023 05:26 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(10-21-2023 05:08 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  Dilfer will have all the time in the world. UAB makes sure coaches get plenty of time to bury their programs as deeply as possible. It takes at least four years to properly gut a fan base and crush all momentum and expectations although it looks like it already happened in less than two.

This is when we were supposed to be positioning ourselves for further realignment, with new facilities and a tradition of winning. Instead we're basically back to pre-Return status. Seriously revolting developments.

Ray has executed the plan set out by Fess perfectly. About time for him and Mark Ingram to get a contract extension and pay bump.

It sure looks like it. Very reminiscent of 2006: "UAB is showing too much promise, gotta nip that in the bud. How about an unqualified ESPN talking head? Yeah, those UAB rubes will eat that **** up. Even though the rest of the country tells them it's a huge mistake, they'll actually think their idiot AD is some kind of genius! Comedy gold!"

Dilfer definitely needs time, but he’s gotta do something to show he’s making changes right? DST has been near bottom of the country bad. Time for some staff shakeups or something.

You can’t just say give him time and not expect changes. We’re getting drilled.

Dilfers biggest mistake was hiring a complete high school or no-experience staff. What did he think was going to happen?? If nothing else, this season should definitely humble him some.

I’ve never personally Seen a UAB defense look this bad. It was pitiful today. They got anything they wanted; anytime they wanted; any how they wanted.

They didn’t even really hit any huge chunk plays or passes. Who needs to when you gain a minimum of 5 yards every play?

We are playing metrics football now. I just know the record says 2-6 and we refuse take a lead into halftime.

He says 3 or 6 point don’t make a difference, I say leading at the half does.

If barker is battling injuries, why the hell start him? He went out there and 2 scoring drives. Apparently he’s a gamer.

We pulled him to put in a guy that played TE last year.

Same excuse makers on Facebook, different coach.

“But look at the yardage!” Ok, what does that have to do with the score?

At least Dilfer didn’t put it all on the defensive effort. Giving up 14 points in the first half was a stellar showing for this years defense.

(10-21-2023 05:28 PM)BlazersCPA Wrote:  Clark’s last 2 games in 2021 had 21k and 19k and that was a team that went 8-4. Today we had 20K for a 2-5 team. McGee last game in 2013 had 9k, I think the comparisons to 2013 are a little premature.

Unless 15,000 people were standing in the concourse all day there is no way there were 20,000 people in attendance given the camera angles shown on TV today

(10-21-2023 05:51 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(10-21-2023 05:28 PM)BlazersCPA Wrote:  Clark’s last 2 games in 2021 had 21k and 19k and that was a team that went 8-4. Today we had 20K for a 2-5 team. McGee last game in 2013 had 9k, I think the comparisons to 2013 are a little premature.

Unless 15,000 people were standing in the concourse all day there is no way there were 20,000 people in attendance given the camera angles shown on TV today

I was there, and it was not horrible. Memphis probably had 3,000 there. A lot really do hang out on the concourse and even outside. I personally like the wiggle room. I grew up going to Bama games and being squeezed out by 400 lb. mouth-breathers.

(10-21-2023 06:16 PM)Bham Blazer Wrote:  

(10-21-2023 05:51 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(10-21-2023 05:28 PM)BlazersCPA Wrote:  Clark’s last 2 games in 2021 had 21k and 19k and that was a team that went 8-4. Today we had 20K for a 2-5 team. McGee last game in 2013 had 9k, I think the comparisons to 2013 are a little premature.

Unless 15,000 people were standing in the concourse all day there is no way there were 20,000 people in attendance given the camera angles shown on TV today

I was there, and it was not horrible. Memphis probably had 3,000 there. A lot really do hang out on the concourse and even outside. I personally like the wiggle room. I grew up going to Bama games and being squeezed out by 400 lb. mouth-breathers.

The stadium wasn't even a quarter full. There may have been 10,000. Maybe.

(10-21-2023 05:23 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(10-21-2023 05:17 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  

(10-21-2023 05:08 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  Dilfer will have all the time in the world. UAB makes sure coaches get plenty of time to bury their programs as deeply as possible. It takes at least four years to properly gut a fan base and crush all momentum and expectations although it looks like it already happened in less than two.

This is when we were supposed to be positioning ourselves for further realignment, with new facilities and a tradition of winning. Instead we're basically back to pre-Return status. Seriously revolting developments.

Were we selling out Protective with Clark? I must've missed those games.

No but if you don't see the drop off in the stands then you're blind. A good % of regulars have said "nope" to our laughable coaching transition. All momentum from The Return has now been lost. We're back to 2013 except for the shiny new digs that don't seem to have helped us all that much.

It had been declining every year since we've come back, because things had gotten stale. Beat up crappy teams, get blown out anytime we play a quality OOC team, and have a chance to win a mediocre conference.

Are there fewer people in the stands this year? Sure, but it's nothing more than I'd expect losing being 2-5 going into today.

We needed a shakeup. Dilfer does two things needed to make a program successful: recruit and market (and he's done these better than any previous coach thus far). He's learning the last thing, which is coaching at this level, which I think he's shown at times he can do. This team is young and inexperienced in some key areas. On top of that, today we were missing our starting QB. We've also played a tougher seven game stretch schedule wise than I've seen in my nearly 15 years as a fan. There were growing pains to be expected this year. I went in to this season thinking 6-6 and a bowl game would be a wildly successful season, because I knew the combination of factors we were up against. I'm sorry if the rest of y'all didn't see that, and expected instant success.

(10-21-2023 06:21 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  It had been declining every year since we've come back, because things had gotten stale. Beat up crappy teams, get blown out anytime we play a quality OOC team, and have a chance to win a mediocre conference.

Are there fewer people in the stands this year? Sure, but it's nothing more than I'd expect losing being 2-5 going into today.

We needed a shakeup. Dilfer does two things needed to make a program successful: recruit and market (and he's done these better than any previous coach thus far). He's learning the last thing, which is coaching at this level, which I think he's shown at times he can do. This team is young and inexperienced in some key areas. On top of that, today we were missing our starting QB. We've also played a tougher seven game stretch schedule wise than I've seen in my nearly 15 years as a fan. There were growing pains to be expected this year. I went in to this season thinking 6-6 and a bowl game would be a wildly successful season, because I knew the combination of factors we were up against. I'm sorry if the rest of y'all didn't see that, and expected instant success.

Therein lies the big issue. Why was UAB forced to hire such an inexperienced coach? Why was the big gamble necessary? We spent 10's of $millions upgrading facilities. What has it gotten us? Don't tell me the AAC because Charlotte got in with a 15,000 seat stadium. Demiveeman did a good job illustrating that we have not significantly upgraded recruiting/talent since The Return. Then when the time came the fancy new stuff didn't help us land an upgrade in coaching staffs.

Why the hell not? I'd say it's been a failure of leadership, starting with Mark Ingram, Ray Watts, Bill Clark, and now Trent Dilfer. UAB football had so much momentum and it has been pissed away by squabbling, buddy hires, and incompetence. UAB fans deserve better for bringing this program back.

Yep, and wasn’t pleased with the pool of candidates we had with a 6 month head start.

Was open to Dilfer based on exposure and recruiting, but I didn’t think he’d go McGee mode and go damn near fully freshmen filled class. It was known that the talent wasn’t there on OLine or Dline and we whiffed on every portal/Juco recruit we reached out to. Why should I have faith he’ll fix that this December?

Who in our portal additions is making an impact? Parker, who else?

(10-21-2023 06:40 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(10-21-2023 06:21 PM)Frank Grimes Wrote:  It had been declining every year since we've come back, because things had gotten stale. Beat up crappy teams, get blown out anytime we play a quality OOC team, and have a chance to win a mediocre conference.

Are there fewer people in the stands this year? Sure, but it's nothing more than I'd expect losing being 2-5 going into today.

We needed a shakeup. Dilfer does two things needed to make a program successful: recruit and market (and he's done these better than any previous coach thus far). He's learning the last thing, which is coaching at this level, which I think he's shown at times he can do. This team is young and inexperienced in some key areas. On top of that, today we were missing our starting QB. We've also played a tougher seven game stretch schedule wise than I've seen in my nearly 15 years as a fan. There were growing pains to be expected this year. I went in to this season thinking 6-6 and a bowl game would be a wildly successful season, because I knew the combination of factors we were up against. I'm sorry if the rest of y'all didn't see that, and expected instant success.

Therein lies the big issue. Why was UAB forced to hire such an inexperienced coach? Why was the big gamble necessary? We spent 10's of $millions upgrading facilities. What has it gotten us? Don't tell me the AAC because Charlotte got in with a 15,000 seat stadium. Demiveeman did a good job illustrating that we have not significantly upgraded recruiting/talent since The Return. Then when the time came the fancy new stuff didn't help us land an upgrade in coaching staffs.

Why the hell not? I'd say it's been a failure of leadership, starting with Mark Ingram, Ray Watts, Bill Clark, and now Trent Dilfer. UAB football had so much momentum and it has been pissed away by squabbling, buddy hires, and incompetence. UAB fans deserve better for bringing this program back.

Something about not having the money to hire a proven commodity. I don't blame Herman for choosing FAU over us. Similar program, but I get to live in Boca and have Florida recruits in my backyard and no state income tax? Sign me up. Just about anyone else that was being discussed likely didn't have CFB coaching experience (whether it be unfamiliarity with the college game in general, or someone that had only been an assistant), or did have coaching experience but would've been a really depressing hire (Skip Holtz type coach). I just don't know who we could have realistically hired that would have had us in a much better position than we are now.

I don't know who you blame for our lack of resources, but there's blame to be put somewhere. Ingram? Birmingham in general? Watts? Our marketing dept? Our coaches for not succeeding at a higher level? All the above like you mentioned?

(10-21-2023 05:50 PM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  We are playing metrics football now. I just know the record says 2-6 and we refuse take a lead into halftime.

He says 3 or 6 point don’t make a difference, I say leading at the half does.

If barker is battling injuries, why the hell start him? He went out there and 2 scoring drives. Apparently he’s a gamer.

We pulled him to put in a guy that played TE last year.

Same excuse makers on Facebook, different coach.

“But look at the yardage!” Ok, what does that have to do with the score?

At least Dilfer didn’t put it all on the defensive effort. Giving up 14 points in the first half was a stellar showing for this years defense.

Oregon did the same stupid thing last week. Down by 4, they didn't kick a FG at the end of the half, went for it, and didn't get it.

They lost the game by 3.

I'm not saying the points would've mattered at the end necessarily. Maybe Dilfer knew he had to score as many TDs as possible. But going in ahead would've been a good momentum swing for the team. It was irresponsible and stupid. Coaching has screwed our players for two straight weeks now.

I liked going for it, just did not like the play call. Maybe he would have made the FG for 3 points. We would have still gotten murdered in the 3rd quarter just like we usually do and did all last season too.