(10-16-2023 12:29 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:26 PM)ballhog Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:20 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:15 PM)2021 Tiger Football!! Wrote:  I agree on mizzou game. Playing a sec team on the road and respectably is not bad. Having a double digit lead in the second half at home in front of a pretty good crowd and letting it turn into a double digit loss is unfortunately RS’s calling card.

Tulane is #29 on the Massey Composite and Mizzou is #23. The Tigers are #48. Seems to me we did just fine, all things considered. Hard to win when you're out-manned against better players.

Which creates the question: Why does Tulane outman us and have better players?

Do I really have to explain to you that basketball gets the lion's share of NIL and support in this town? Ponder that.

Pondered. So it's basketballs fault again? That dang Calipari.

I guess Tulane found some more talented players to put in the game once they got down 21-10


Why is it that whenever Memphis has a coach that can’t hack it, to the point Ray Charles could see it, do we have a portion of our fan base that must stick up for bozo coach? It happened for years with Pastner and now, here we go again with “Gridiron Josh”

(10-16-2023 12:59 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I guess Tulane found some more talented players to put in the game once they got down 21-10


Why is it that whenever Memphis has a coach that can’t hack it, to the point Ray Charles could see it, do we have a portion of our fan base that must stick up for bozo coach? It happened for years with Pastner and now, here we go again with “Gridiron Josh”

Some people don't understand that great players are consistent players. Up and down performance doesn't reflect consistent performance. Did you forgot the QB accumulated an interception and a total of 11 passing yards his first four possessions? Did you notice the differences between our offensive and their defensive line? Is bobbling a perfect pass to the numbers, giving up a key interception on the coach? I could go on.

(10-16-2023 12:58 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:54 PM)ballhog Wrote:  Pondered. So it's basketballs fault again? That dang Calipari.

If you don't understand how NIL works and how there's only so much to spread around, I can't help you. If it bothers you so much, try to spend less on weed and gambling so you can give a little back.

I'm being ridiculous to hopefully prove the point that a lot of the blame falls on the coaching staff. The offensive line is possibly worse than it was Silverfield's first year. Henigan has not improved in two years. Playcalling is stagnant at best. Coaching helps you win games where you are slightly outmatched physically. The NIL and basketball getting the resources are not to blame. I truly believe that if Norvell had these players, we would be undefeated and looking at a New Year's Bowl.

(10-16-2023 02:01 PM)ballhog Wrote:  I'm being ridiculous to hopefully prove the point that a lot of the blame falls on the coaching staff. The offensive line is possibly worse than it was Silverfield's first year. Henigan has not improved in two years. Playcalling is stagnant at best. Coaching helps you win games where you are slightly outmatched physically. The NIL and basketball getting the resources are not to blame. I truly believe that if Norvell had these players, we would be undefeated and looking at a New Year's Bowl.

I get it. I'm not arguing that Silverfield is a savant. Can we agree that Norvell didn't have to contend with the challenges that NIL brings as far as securing the best players? If the line was so great under Norvell how can it be so much worse under Silverfield considering he was the offensive line coach? Surely we agree that Seth isn't premier QB material either, right? Can you coach smart decision-making and instinct into a player? If it's all about coaching, why do we even need to seek out the best players?

Sure, there could be improvements on the coaching front. I'm not denying that, but it's also tough to compete when you don't have the horses.

(10-16-2023 11:58 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 11:21 AM)Southaven Wrote:  The team is 4-2 and has lost to two top 25 teams but half this board wants him fired.

Quite a few of those think Fuente is the second coming of Christ too, ignoring that he failed spectacularly after leaving. Going 5-6 and 6-7 in the regular season and finishing 1-5 in bowl games is apparently perfectly acceptable as long as it's Fuente, but 4-2 won't cut it in Memphis. The delusions are real.

That doesn’t seem like a very sound argument. How Fuente performed at the Power 5 level is largely irrelevant to this discussion. He was responsible for turning our program around. Norvell built upon that success, while Silverfield has, overall, underperformed. Do I think RS can turn it around? Yes. But it has to start this Saturday. SMU is the only remaining game we’re not currently favored in, per ESPN. So anything under 9-3 would be underachieving. While I don’t think 8-4 is a fireable offense, it won’t generate excitement around the team.

(10-16-2023 12:18 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:15 PM)2021 Tiger Football!! Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:12 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:05 PM)901yola Wrote:  The team is 4-2 and it isn't even about that. We're in a watered down conference and have allowed Tulane to pass us by just as SMU, Houston, Cincy, and UCF to pass us by.

Seems like you can't handle being a Tigers fan. Love the school or don't. It's not the fault of the school that we have factors going against us that we are not in control of. What could the school have done to prevent other programs from stealing our coaches? Do you think it's not a risk and a gamble when we have to replace a coach under duress and a time crunch?

Crying about unfortunate circumstances does absolutely nothing to improve the situation or our chances. The only thing that you'll accomplish by beating the program and school down is crapping on the parade for everyone else who loves the team. Do you just like being unhappy and outraged? If so, you're apparently in good company.

To put it into perspective, watered down or not, we lost two games to two top 25 programs. How anyone can spin that into a negative is beyond me.

I agree on mizzou game. Playing a sec team on the road and respectably is not bad. As for Tulane, Having a double digit lead in the second half at home in front of a pretty good crowd and letting it turn into a double digit loss is unfortunately RS’s calling card.

Tulane is the better team regardless. They proved it.

We were up 21-10 and had them 3rd and 8. They ran the ball up the middle for a first down and never looked back. If that means they are just better then I got some swamp land for sale smh

(10-16-2023 12:29 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:26 PM)ballhog Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:20 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:15 PM)2021 Tiger Football!! Wrote:  I agree on mizzou game. Playing a sec team on the road and respectably is not bad. Having a double digit lead in the second half at home in front of a pretty good crowd and letting it turn into a double digit loss is unfortunately RS’s calling card.

Tulane is #29 on the Massey Composite and Mizzou is #23. The Tigers are #48. Seems to me we did just fine, all things considered. Hard to win when you're out-manned against better players.

Which creates the question: Why does Tulane outman us and have better players?

Do I really have to explain to you that basketball gets the lion's share of NIL and support in this town? Ponder that.

Penny drives his own NIL bus. He's not taking anything from football.
And do you really think Tulane football has a better NIL position than Memphis? No one even goes to the games.
The last time Tulane had a higher ranked HS recruiting class than Memphis was in 2018. And Tulane has never had a higher ranked Transfer class than Memphis.
There is no reason for Tulane to have better players than us.

(10-16-2023 02:32 PM)Pouncer1 Wrote:  That doesn’t seem like a very sound argument. How Fuente performed at the Power 5 level is largely irrelevant to this discussion. He was responsible for turning our program around.

If the discussion is about the quality of a coach, it's very relevant to evaluate the entirety of his coaching record. He was with us for four seasons. Two were winning seasons and two were losing seasons, and sure he helped to turn things around after the Porter years. He then went on to inherit a successful program from Beamer and then ultimately ran it into the ground.

Compare that to Norvell who built on Fuente's momentum here, eventually taking us to the Cotton Bowl. At FSU, he inherited a struggling program from Taggart, having a couple of rough years; but has since turned things around. Last season saw his team go 10-3 and winning their bowl game. This season he's 6-0 and demonstrating a continuation of that success.

Norvell is still coaching at the "power" conference level and Fuente is now an analyst, quite the step down. Career numbers are quite telling as well. Norvell is 62-31 whereas Fuente is 69-54. It really doesn't get more clear or relevant than that. A tale of two coaches.

(10-16-2023 02:32 PM)Pouncer1 Wrote:  Norvell built upon that success, while Silverfield has, overall, underperformed.

I agree that Silverfield has underperformed per the expectations, but it really isn't the same game. NIL and the portal has completely changed the recruiting landscape. It will continue to become more difficult for "non-power" conferences to attract and retain the best talent, especially when basketball is the premier program in Memphis. That's the unfortunate reality.

(10-16-2023 02:32 PM)Pouncer1 Wrote:  Do I think RS can turn it around? Yes. But it has to start this Saturday. SMU is the only remaining game we’re not currently favored in, per ESPN. So anything under 9-3 would be underachieving. While I don’t think 8-4 is a fireable offense, it won’t generate excitement around the team.

I also believe he can turn things around. I would like to believe that we can go 10-2 this season, and agree that anything under 9-3 would be incredibly disappointing. Don't mistake my appeals for patience and temperance to be a rubber stamp in favor of Silverfield.

(10-16-2023 02:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:29 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:26 PM)ballhog Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:20 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:15 PM)2021 Tiger Football!! Wrote:  I agree on mizzou game. Playing a sec team on the road and respectably is not bad. Having a double digit lead in the second half at home in front of a pretty good crowd and letting it turn into a double digit loss is unfortunately RS’s calling card.

Tulane is #29 on the Massey Composite and Mizzou is #23. The Tigers are #48. Seems to me we did just fine, all things considered. Hard to win when you're out-manned against better players.

Which creates the question: Why does Tulane outman us and have better players?

Do I really have to explain to you that basketball gets the lion's share of NIL and support in this town? Ponder that.

Penny drives his own NIL bus. He's not taking anything from football.
And do you really think Tulane football has a better NIL position than Memphis? No one even goes to the games.
The last time Tulane had a higher ranked HS recruiting class than Memphis was in 2018. And Tulane has never had a higher ranked Transfer class than Memphis.
There is no reason for Tulane to have better players than us.

The problem isn’t NIL good grief. Silverfield’s recruiting has been fine. Some of y’all act like we are competing with Bama and Georgia for recruits. Man this place just gets worse and worse.

(10-16-2023 02:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Penny drives his own NIL bus. He's not taking anything from football.

Money that goes to basketball is money that isn't going to football.

(10-16-2023 02:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  And do you really think Tulane football has a better NIL position than Memphis?

Do you have the numbers? I would like to see.

(10-16-2023 02:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  There is no reason for Tulane to have better players than us.

Perhaps not from the perspective of a recruiting analyst, but on the field, it seemed clear they had the better players.

(10-16-2023 02:46 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:18 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:15 PM)2021 Tiger Football!! Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:12 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:05 PM)901yola Wrote:  The team is 4-2 and it isn't even about that. We're in a watered down conference and have allowed Tulane to pass us by just as SMU, Houston, Cincy, and UCF to pass us by.

Seems like you can't handle being a Tigers fan. Love the school or don't. It's not the fault of the school that we have factors going against us that we are not in control of. What could the school have done to prevent other programs from stealing our coaches? Do you think it's not a risk and a gamble when we have to replace a coach under duress and a time crunch?

Crying about unfortunate circumstances does absolutely nothing to improve the situation or our chances. The only thing that you'll accomplish by beating the program and school down is crapping on the parade for everyone else who loves the team. Do you just like being unhappy and outraged? If so, you're apparently in good company.

To put it into perspective, watered down or not, we lost two games to two top 25 programs. How anyone can spin that into a negative is beyond me.

I agree on mizzou game. Playing a sec team on the road and respectably is not bad. As for Tulane, Having a double digit lead in the second half at home in front of a pretty good crowd and letting it turn into a double digit loss is unfortunately RS’s calling card.

Tulane is the better team regardless. They proved it.

We were up 21-10 and had them 3rd and 8. They ran the ball up the middle for a first down and never looked back. If that means they are just better then I got some swamp land for sale smh

How many acres and how much per acre? Disney World was built on swampland.

The attendance for our November games will probably tell a lot.

(10-16-2023 03:03 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 02:46 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:18 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:15 PM)2021 Tiger Football!! Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:12 PM)msu35 Wrote:  Seems like you can't handle being a Tigers fan. Love the school or don't. It's not the fault of the school that we have factors going against us that we are not in control of. What could the school have done to prevent other programs from stealing our coaches? Do you think it's not a risk and a gamble when we have to replace a coach under duress and a time crunch?

Crying about unfortunate circumstances does absolutely nothing to improve the situation or our chances. The only thing that you'll accomplish by beating the program and school down is crapping on the parade for everyone else who loves the team. Do you just like being unhappy and outraged? If so, you're apparently in good company.

To put it into perspective, watered down or not, we lost two games to two top 25 programs. How anyone can spin that into a negative is beyond me.

I agree on mizzou game. Playing a sec team on the road and respectably is not bad. As for Tulane, Having a double digit lead in the second half at home in front of a pretty good crowd and letting it turn into a double digit loss is unfortunately RS’s calling card.

Tulane is the better team regardless. They proved it.

We were up 21-10 and had them 3rd and 8. They ran the ball up the middle for a first down and never looked back. If that means they are just better then I got some swamp land for sale smh

How many acres and how much per acre? Disney World was built on swampland.

Let me ask you this, are you with a special teams coach and an offensive line coach getting fired, yet neither of those positions have gotten any better? If thing are so great then how come we are changing assistants all the time ? So it’s not good to criticize a head coach making 2-3 million a year over some poor position coach trying to feed his family ?

(10-16-2023 04:38 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Let me ask you this, are you with a special teams coach and an offensive line coach getting fired, yet neither of those positions have gotten any better? If thing are so great then how come we are changing assistants all the time ? So it’s not good to criticize a head coach making 2-3 million a year over some poor position coach trying to feed his family ?

Silverfield's salary is very middle of the road for a FBS school. He's certainly not even close to the highest paid in the AAC. Alex Golesh at USF makes significantly more money and how's that program doing? Silverfield certainly hasn't been blown out by a bottom feeder unlike the Bulls.

Let me ask you this. Is it worth rolling the dice and gambling on an even worse coach if Silverfield finishes the season 10-2 or 9-3? At what point is it worth taking the risk and firing him? I don't believe anyone here is advocating not firing Silverfield if he craps the bed, but we're only halfway through the season and the losses, while regrettable, haven't been entirely unexpected considering the opponent.

(10-16-2023 04:38 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 03:03 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 02:46 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:18 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:15 PM)2021 Tiger Football!! Wrote:  I agree on mizzou game. Playing a sec team on the road and respectably is not bad. As for Tulane, Having a double digit lead in the second half at home in front of a pretty good crowd and letting it turn into a double digit loss is unfortunately RS’s calling card.

Tulane is the better team regardless. They proved it.

We were up 21-10 and had them 3rd and 8. They ran the ball up the middle for a first down and never looked back. If that means they are just better then I got some swamp land for sale smh

How many acres and how much per acre? Disney World was built on swampland.

Let me ask you this, are you with a special teams coach and an offensive line coach getting fired, yet neither of those positions have gotten any better? If thing are so great then how come we are changing assistants all the time ? So it’s not good to criticize a head coach making 2-3 million a year over some poor position coach trying to feed his family ?

So you were lying about the swampland?

As for salaries of coaches it's like any job. If you aren't making what you think you are worth find a job that will pay you. I've done it several times and I wasn't half what the lowest coaches make.

But I did look up their salaries just to be able to form a response. I'm just a fan of the program since the 70's not a college football expert like so many on this message board. Although I did letter two years in high school football that included a city championship.

Which coach can't feed his family on these salaries?

The Memphis football coaching staff will make just under $4.6 million before incentives this season, according to salary documents obtained by The Commercial Appeal.

Coach Ryan Silverfield's assistants will earn $2.75 million, up from $2.67 million last season but still below the $2.77 million Silverfield's first staff earned in 2020. Five assistants will make at least $300,000 this season.

The totals provide broader context to the previously reported individual salaries that Silverfield's staff members will earn in 2022.

Defensive coordinator Matt Barnes and offensive coordinator Tim Cramsey will earn $440,000 and $400,000, respectively, in their first season with the Tigers. First-year running backs coach Sean Dawkins will earn $175,000, an increase from making $100,000 last season at Charlotte.

Silverfield and four returning assistants received pay raises, with Silverfield’s $50,000 increase scheduled per terms of his original contract. He’ll make $1.85 million in base salary this season, up from $1.8 million last season.

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...253842002/

It won't be so funny in December.

The wheels are coming off

(10-16-2023 03:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 02:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Penny drives his own NIL bus. He's not taking anything from football.

Money that goes to basketball is money that isn't going to football.

(10-16-2023 02:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  And do you really think Tulane football has a better NIL position than Memphis?

Do you have the numbers? I would like to see.

(10-16-2023 02:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  There is no reason for Tulane to have better players than us.

Perhaps not from the perspective of a recruiting analyst, but on the field, it seemed clear they had the better players.

All's you gotta do is:
1 - Go to 247 website - football recruiting.
2 - Filter for AAC.
3 - Search by years.
4 - Then go to the transfer portal rankings link.
5 - Filter for AAC.
6 - Search by years.

Players can look better when coached-up, and placed in the right system.

How much would you say Seth has improved in 3 years under Ryan's watchful eye?

(10-16-2023 08:27 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 03:01 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 02:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Penny drives his own NIL bus. He's not taking anything from football.

Money that goes to basketball is money that isn't going to football.

(10-16-2023 02:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  And do you really think Tulane football has a better NIL position than Memphis?

Do you have the numbers? I would like to see.

(10-16-2023 02:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  There is no reason for Tulane to have better players than us.

Perhaps not from the perspective of a recruiting analyst, but on the field, it seemed clear they had the better players.

All's you gotta do is:
1 - Go to 247 website - football recruiting.
2 - Filter for AAC.
3 - Search by years.
4 - Then go to the transfer portal rankings link.
5 - Filter for AAC.
6 - Search by years.

Players can look better when coached-up, and placed in the right system.

How much would you say Seth has improved in 3 years under Ryan's watchful eye?

I know how to look up recruiting classes. I was talking about NIL specifically since you're implying Tulane football has smaller NIL coffers compared to Memphis.

As far as recruits go, recruiting analysts get it wrong all of the time. For an egregious example, remember Emoni Bates?

What I've seen with Seth is poor decision-making under pressure exacerbated by an ineffective offensive line.

(10-16-2023 04:50 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 04:38 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Let me ask you this, are you with a special teams coach and an offensive line coach getting fired, yet neither of those positions have gotten any better? If thing are so great then how come we are changing assistants all the time ? So it’s not good to criticize a head coach making 2-3 million a year over some poor position coach trying to feed his family ?

Silverfield's salary is very middle of the road for a FBS school. He's certainly not even close to the highest paid in the AAC. Alex Golesh at USF makes significantly more money and how's that program doing? Silverfield certainly hasn't been blown out by a bottom feeder unlike the Bulls.

Let me ask you this. Is it worth rolling the dice and gambling on an even worse coach if Silverfield finishes the season 10-2 or 9-3? At what point is it worth taking the risk and firing him? I don't believe anyone here is advocating not firing Silverfield if he craps the bed, but we're only halfway through the season and the losses, while regrettable, haven't been entirely unexpected considering the opponent.

I’m willing to see what happens. It’s not like they’re going to fire him during the season, so it’s not a big stretch. If it’s another 6-6 or 7-5 type season, I’ll officially join the bandwagon. It’s not a difficult schedule left, but I honestly have no idea how we’ll finish. I’m still hoping for 10-2!

I don’t think there is a push to fire Silverfield. There’s no money to buy him out and unless he really has an awful finish, he’ll be around next year. Only 1 team out of our next 6 is above .500. Anything worse than 9-3 would be a big disappointment.