(10-16-2023 10:42 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  that's such a pipedream as to be almost laughable.

but if......IF....that happened.....JMU better start digging up the Godwin side the day after the poll is released because they won't be able to keep up with the demand of people wanting tickets.

I think "The Stunt" would be to go 12-0 and not go to a bowl, and just declare ourselves national champions. Do a bunch of videos about "Georga's skeeered" and get on everyone's radar. Have a ring ceremony at the first home game next year. Do a bunch of guerilla marketing events where the team is at a stadium on new years day and there's nobody there. There's a ton of ways you can make hay out of that and ensure that we have everyone's attention come September 2024.

(10-16-2023 12:06 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  There's a ton of ways you can make hay out of that and ensure that we have everyone's attention come September 2024.

then go 5-7 in 2024

(10-16-2023 11:30 AM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 07:45 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  I hope we're brushing up on our legal options. My ignorant opinion is that it seems when the lawyers come knocking at the NCAA doors they fold like a cheap chair. JMU should have its court case ready to go, "new information will become available", and the NCAA grants the exception seems to be our only way out of the 2-year transition rule.

The NCAA will 100% fold if we go legal. Just look at what happened with Liberty's move to FBS.

They set a precedent of not enforcing FCS to FBS transition rules when they granted Liberty permission to move up without a conference invite. Now they're arbitrarily enforcing the rules again.

The NCAA would absolutely prefer to keep its transition rules (broadly, not just FCS to FBS) out of the courts where a legal precedent could be set. An unfavorable ruling could completely blow up their divisional rules. The path of least resistance would be to just grant JMU/JSU/SHSU a waiver (which is allowed under the bylaws).

Could going legal be detrimental to us in the future?

no chance the legal process will complete in time and we are already eligible next year, and may still get a bowl game this year.

not worth the expense and time to sue.

Nah guys going legal is weak. Would make us look like crybabies. We need to just keep winning and let the media do the talking for us. Enough outrage and we may have a case. Worst case we don’t play a bowl this year and keep the momentum going into next year. We will most likely be able to play in a bowl when they’re aren’t enough eligible teams this year anyway

What sucks is you never know when we will have this opportunity again.

Cincinnati was
13-1 in 2021
9-4 in 2022 (after coaching change)
2-4 this year.

Look at CCU and ASU this year.

Next year we're at UNC.

(10-16-2023 12:13 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:06 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  There's a ton of ways you can make hay out of that and ensure that we have everyone's attention come September 2024.

then go 5-7 in 2024

I have had this exact nightmare thought but I think the winning will continue next season.

The Boca Bowl (played at FAU) posted on Twitter the other day about JMU reaching 6 wins and being bowl eligible. Hope we are on their radar. Would love the Dukes to play here in Boca Raton! Great location for fans.....an hour from Miami and Orlando is less that 3 hours away.

(10-16-2023 12:06 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 10:42 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  that's such a pipedream as to be almost laughable.

but if......IF....that happened.....JMU better start digging up the Godwin side the day after the poll is released because they won't be able to keep up with the demand of people wanting tickets.

I think "The Stunt" would be to go 12-0 and not go to a bowl, and just declare ourselves national champions. Do a bunch of videos about "Georga's skeeered" and get on everyone's radar. Have a ring ceremony at the first home game next year. Do a bunch of guerilla marketing events where the team is at a stadium on new years day and there's nobody there. There's a ton of ways you can make hay out of that and ensure that we have everyone's attention come September 2024.

This is more or less what UCF did, except the 2017 title is officially recognized by NCAA due to Colley Matrix ranking. In many ways its a lot more legit than some think, given FBS history of other name brand "power" teams claiming titles the same way.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...y-rankings

They rode that wave to a couple great years, and have had some more average (4/5 loss) seasons since. But this grew their program tremendously, and landed them in B12.

Should we manage to have a perfect season, I'm fully in support of the same "stunt." Its no different than many other titles in the record books.

The odds of us going undefeated are rather low, believe SP+ had it somewhere around a 5% probability. But IF it happened, no reason not to exploit it fully. Especially if NCAA/CFP insists on giving us the cold shoulder this year.

(10-16-2023 03:35 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:06 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 10:42 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  that's such a pipedream as to be almost laughable.

but if......IF....that happened.....JMU better start digging up the Godwin side the day after the poll is released because they won't be able to keep up with the demand of people wanting tickets.

I think "The Stunt" would be to go 12-0 and not go to a bowl, and just declare ourselves national champions. Do a bunch of videos about "Georga's skeeered" and get on everyone's radar. Have a ring ceremony at the first home game next year. Do a bunch of guerilla marketing events where the team is at a stadium on new years day and there's nobody there. There's a ton of ways you can make hay out of that and ensure that we have everyone's attention come September 2024.

This is more or less what UCF did, except the 2017 title is officially recognized by NCAA due to Colley Matrix ranking. In many ways its a lot more legit than some think, given FBS history of other name brand "power" teams claiming titles the same way.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...y-rankings

They rode that wave to a couple great years, and have had some more average (4/5 loss) seasons since. But this grew their program tremendously, and landed them in B12.

Should we manage to have a perfect season, I'm fully in support of the same "stunt." Its no different than many other titles in the record books.

The odds of us going undefeated are rather low, believe SP+ had it somewhere around a 5% probability. But IF it happened, no reason not to exploit it fully. Especially if NCAA/CFP insists on giving us the cold shoulder this year.

IF it happened to us, I'd say it's even more arguable now than it was with UCF.
We're not even sure what will happen with SBCC or bowl game (which the bowl is looking more likely).
The press has already been vocal about it and I have to imagine the more we win the louder and louder they will get.
As long as it isn't JMU directly making noise publicly about it, the more positive publicity in our favor will come out.

Will add that I feel the Colley ranking is also a lot more legit than some recognize.

This was created by a PhD at Princeton, and his methodology is laid out here: https://colleyrankings.com/matrate.pdf

He explicitly created it with the intention of removing popular name brand bias. It is still officially one of the NCAA FBS title "selector" polls, and also was a component of BCS rankings used to name FBS champions.

(10-16-2023 12:38 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 11:30 AM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 07:45 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  I hope we're brushing up on our legal options. My ignorant opinion is that it seems when the lawyers come knocking at the NCAA doors they fold like a cheap chair. JMU should have its court case ready to go, "new information will become available", and the NCAA grants the exception seems to be our only way out of the 2-year transition rule.

The NCAA will 100% fold if we go legal. Just look at what happened with Liberty's move to FBS.

They set a precedent of not enforcing FCS to FBS transition rules when they granted Liberty permission to move up without a conference invite. Now they're arbitrarily enforcing the rules again.

The NCAA would absolutely prefer to keep its transition rules (broadly, not just FCS to FBS) out of the courts where a legal precedent could be set. An unfavorable ruling could completely blow up their divisional rules. The path of least resistance would be to just grant JMU/JSU/SHSU a waiver (which is allowed under the bylaws).

Could going legal be detrimental to us in the future?

Potentially, which is why I'm not necessarily saying we should go legal. It sort of feels like the nuclear option, so it's probably not worth it to ensure that we get a lower-tier bowl bid.

If we get to 12-0 and there's NY6 bowl money and exposure on the line, then going legal is absolutely worth it in my mind. Even if Air Force and Tulane are ahead of us, we should go legal, because either one could lose their CCG.

There are serious hard dollars on the line when it comes to an NY6 bowl. Getting SBC
teams in NY6 bowls on a regular basis would increase viewership and position us for better media deals. It would increase alumni giving, ticket sales, merchandise sales, etc. It would increase applications and likely drive down admission rates, improving our academic profile.

The direct and indirect benefits are massive. The legal option is worth the risk if we finish the regular season 12-0.

JMU’s represented by the AG’s office, so it’s not like it would cost JMU anything if the AG decided to pursue it. Normally, I’d say there’s approximately a zero percent chance the AG’s office would be interested (they didn’t even bother to show up for the dumb Marist v. Brady case) but as we all know, the current AG is a JMU grad and has already gotten involved. So all bets are off.

Get Jay Bilas (who hates the NCAA with a passion) and the ESPN Gameday crew on it. They probably got Tez Walker eligible at UNC by relentlessly hammering the NCAA

(10-16-2023 08:18 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  If we aren’t rated by CFP and we run the table and go 12-0 or 13-0, then I would also entertain the UCF path, when they had a perfect season and were excluded.

If any one of the NCAA “BCS” selector polls rates JMU as #1, it is legitimate to claim a split national Champion title in FBS. UCF did this, and it was validated by NCAA. Last I looked we were closing in on top 10 in the Colley Matrix, which is the selector poll UCF used.

Would it be controversial? Of course. But it would be well deserved in that situation, and only help us as it did UCF.

....and there is now a precedent since UCF was successful.

(10-16-2023 09:13 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 08:18 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  If we aren’t rated by CFP and we run the table and go 12-0 or 13-0, then I would also entertain the UCF path, when they had a perfect season and were excluded.

If any one of the NCAA “BCS” selector polls rates JMU as #1, it is legitimate to claim a split national Champion title in FBS. UCF did this, and it was validated by NCAA. Last I looked we were closing in on top 10 in the Colley Matrix, which is the selector poll UCF used.

Would it be controversial? Of course. But it would be well deserved in that situation, and only help us as it did UCF.

....and there is now a precedent since UCF was successful.

Totally agree

(10-16-2023 09:12 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  Get Jay Bilas (who hates the NCAA with a passion) and the ESPN Gameday crew on it. They probably got Tez Walker eligible at UNC by relentlessly hammering the NCAA

Sure relentless pressure - was more important than the three letters in bold. The hardest thing the NCAA did was to wait until it was less obvious they had no intention of applying the 'rules are the rules' standard to a silver spoon school.

(10-16-2023 09:12 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  Get Jay Bilas (who hates the NCAA with a passion) and the ESPN Gameday crew on it. They probably got Tez Walker eligible at UNC by relentlessly hammering the NCAA

Jay Bilas also hates non-P5 schools and would probably instead argue that UVA is actually better than us. ESPN Game Day will talk us up, though.

Just win baby! And let’s see what happens.


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(10-16-2023 09:01 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  JMU’s represented by the AG’s office, so it’s not like it would cost JMU anything if the AG decided to pursue it. Normally, I’d say there’s approximately a zero percent chance the AG’s office would be interested (they didn’t even bother to show up for the dumb Marist v. Brady case) but as we all know, the current AG is a JMU grad and has already gotten involved. So all bets are off.

Yes.

The VA AG could easily make the case against the NCAA…filed in a Virgina court no less…that the “rule” excluding JMU from a bowl is arbitrary and capacious, and has, and is, causing real financial damage to JMU.

I’d love to see the NCAA try to justify the “rule” in court. The “rule” is indefensible when there is an “exception” that allows 2nd year, bowl ineligible teams to subsequently become “eligible” and be invited to a bowl game (so long as there are no other bowl eligible teams available).

That “exception” is the picture perfect image of a “rule” that is capacious and arbitrary, which makes it fundamentally unfair and illegal. The “exception” also shows that the “rule” is closely related to the NCAA’s financial and media concerns tied to a bowl game. Taken together, proving that the “rule” is doing real, and significant financial harm to JMU (to the tune of $milions) would be a slam dunk.

But first JMU has to go undefeated.