https://herosports.com/fbs-potential-fut...back-cpcp/

Interesting article, including some quotes from Weiner on DQ's development.

Im sure this thread will not spark any debates about his throwing ability.

Say what you want about Matt Millen as a GM, as a broadcaster he has always told it like it was.

Countless times during the Illinois came he commented about Finn needing to hit receivers in stride, be more accurate.

Sure some were completions, but when the receiver has to turn around to catch it he loses his forward motion and it costs the receiver YAC.

Has Finn grown? yes. Does he provide mismatches? Yes. Does he need to be more accurate as a passer? Yes


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(10-13-2023 09:42 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  Say what you want about Matt Millen as a GM, as a broadcaster he has always told it like it was.

Countless times during the Illinois came he commented about Finn needing to hit receivers in stride, be more accurate.

Sure some were completions, but when the receiver has to turn around to catch it he loses his forward motion and it costs the receiver YAC.

Has Finn grown? yes. Does he provide mismatches? Yes. Does he need to be more accurate as a passer? Yes

^^
This. No one has said less.

The yes-men complaining about other posters don't seem to want to recognize that. They seem to see any attempt at objective critique as vile, unsupportive criticism, not as the support that it really is.

(10-13-2023 10:25 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 09:42 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  Say what you want about Matt Millen as a GM, as a broadcaster he has always told it like it was.

Countless times during the Illinois came he commented about Finn needing to hit receivers in stride, be more accurate.

Sure some were completions, but when the receiver has to turn around to catch it he loses his forward motion and it costs the receiver YAC.

Has Finn grown? yes. Does he provide mismatches? Yes. Does he need to be more accurate as a passer? Yes

^^
This. No one has said less.

The yes-men complaining about other posters don't seem to want to recognize that. They seem to see any attempt at objective critique as vile, unsupportive criticism, not as the support that it really is.

66% is better than I thought he could ever be. If you expect more you expect a top 25 passer and top 5 runner for QB in the sport. Could he get better? I wouldn't put it past anyone to put in work and elevate their game. But to expect even better passing from a percentage? That's the best QB in the B1G territory. He is half of Logan Woodside as a passer with his decision making (The turnovers is my gripe and I want improvement there). DQ is 6/7ths of Woodside completing passes. And like 500% better running the ball! His weapons don't come close to Johnson, Johnson, Roberts and Thompson.

(10-13-2023 10:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 10:25 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 09:42 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  Say what you want about Matt Millen as a GM, as a broadcaster he has always told it like it was.

Countless times during the Illinois came he commented about Finn needing to hit receivers in stride, be more accurate.

Sure some were completions, but when the receiver has to turn around to catch it he loses his forward motion and it costs the receiver YAC.

Has Finn grown? yes. Does he provide mismatches? Yes. Does he need to be more accurate as a passer? Yes

^^
This. No one has said less.

The yes-men complaining about other posters don't seem to want to recognize that. They seem to see any attempt at objective critique as vile, unsupportive criticism, not as the support that it really is.

66% is better than I thought he could ever be. If you expect more you expect a top 25 passer and top 5 runner for QB in the sport. Could he get better? I wouldn't put it past anyone to put in work and elevate their game. But to expect even better passing from a percentage? That's the best QB in the B1G territory. He is half of Logan Woodside as a passer with his decision making (The turnovers is my gripe and I want improvement there). DQ is 6/7ths of Woodside completing passes. And like 500% better running the ball! His weapons don't come close to Johnson, Johnson, Roberts and Thompson.

"better" has little to do with percentage. We play a lot easier schedule than the B10. We play an easier conference schedule than every other conference. We play a type of offense geared to pass to obviously open receivers. Having a running QB, opens up receivers. Our receivers are generally rated higher than other MAC, same as Woodside had if not at the same level. And Finn has had a couple may get that next step.

It's the quality and the type of pass, the rest of us are discussing. Not the amounts.

(10-13-2023 12:48 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 10:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 10:25 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 09:42 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  Say what you want about Matt Millen as a GM, as a broadcaster he has always told it like it was.

Countless times during the Illinois came he commented about Finn needing to hit receivers in stride, be more accurate.

Sure some were completions, but when the receiver has to turn around to catch it he loses his forward motion and it costs the receiver YAC.

Has Finn grown? yes. Does he provide mismatches? Yes. Does he need to be more accurate as a passer? Yes

^^
This. No one has said less.

The yes-men complaining about other posters don't seem to want to recognize that. They seem to see any attempt at objective critique as vile, unsupportive criticism, not as the support that it really is.

66% is better than I thought he could ever be. If you expect more you expect a top 25 passer and top 5 runner for QB in the sport. Could he get better? I wouldn't put it past anyone to put in work and elevate their game. But to expect even better passing from a percentage? That's the best QB in the B1G territory. He is half of Logan Woodside as a passer with his decision making (The turnovers is my gripe and I want improvement there). DQ is 6/7ths of Woodside completing passes. And like 500% better running the ball! His weapons don't come close to Johnson, Johnson, Roberts and Thompson.

"better" has little to do with percentage. We play a lot easier schedule than the B10. We play an easier conference schedule than every other conference. We play a type of offense geared to pass to obviously open receivers. Having a running QB, opens up receivers. Our receivers are generally rated higher than other MAC, same as Woodside had if not at the same level. And Finn has had a couple may get that next step.

It's the quality and the type of pass, the rest of us are discussing. Not the amounts.

Well if you don't choose to quantify a QB by statistics that's pretty tough for me to argue. Incremental improvements in his stats we have seen. Maybe it's the OL play and DQ is same old same old.

I think 6'2 and 6'3 Thompson and Jonvea are better physical specimines for sure. Toledo was talked about as the best or top 3 WR units in the nation in 2017. Diontae is legit NFL player. Is Jerjuan? Maybe. Top 3 rounder? I doubt it. And Roberts had the largest hands in NFL Combine history and led the nation by 9 TDs as a TE his senior year. Come on... Logan had better weapons.

As for B1G... use mock drafts, stats anything... DQ is as good or better than most in that league this year which replaced most of their QBs in 2023. How have Nebraska and Purdue done QBacking vs. Illinois? You or Boca can look it up. Nebraska also played NIU so we can probably put to bed that DQ at current is better than their QB.

(10-13-2023 01:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 12:48 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 10:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 10:25 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 09:42 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  Say what you want about Matt Millen as a GM, as a broadcaster he has always told it like it was.

Countless times during the Illinois came he commented about Finn needing to hit receivers in stride, be more accurate.

Sure some were completions, but when the receiver has to turn around to catch it he loses his forward motion and it costs the receiver YAC.

Has Finn grown? yes. Does he provide mismatches? Yes. Does he need to be more accurate as a passer? Yes

^^
This. No one has said less.

The yes-men complaining about other posters don't seem to want to recognize that. They seem to see any attempt at objective critique as vile, unsupportive criticism, not as the support that it really is.

66% is better than I thought he could ever be. If you expect more you expect a top 25 passer and top 5 runner for QB in the sport. Could he get better? I wouldn't put it past anyone to put in work and elevate their game. But to expect even better passing from a percentage? That's the best QB in the B1G territory. He is half of Logan Woodside as a passer with his decision making (The turnovers is my gripe and I want improvement there). DQ is 6/7ths of Woodside completing passes. And like 500% better running the ball! His weapons don't come close to Johnson, Johnson, Roberts and Thompson.

"better" has little to do with percentage. We play a lot easier schedule than the B10. We play an easier conference schedule than every other conference. We play a type of offense geared to pass to obviously open receivers. Having a running QB, opens up receivers. Our receivers are generally rated higher than other MAC, same as Woodside had if not at the same level. And Finn has had a couple may get that next step.

It's the quality and the type of pass, the rest of us are discussing. Not the amounts.

Well if you don't choose to quantify a QB by statistics that's pretty tough for me to argue. Incremental improvements in his stats we have seen. Maybe it's the OL play and DQ is same old same old.

I think 6'2 and 6'3 Thompson and Jonvea are better physical specimines for sure. Toledo was talked about as the best or top 3 WR units in the nation in 2017. Diontae is legit NFL player. Is Jerjuan? Maybe. Top 3 rounder? I doubt it. And Roberts had the largest hands in NFL Combine history and led the nation by 9 TDs as a TE his senior year. Come on... Logan had better weapons.

As for B1G... use mock drafts, stats anything... DQ is as good or better than most in that league this year which replaced most of their QBs in 2023. How have Nebraska and Purdue done QBacking vs. Illinois? You or Boca can look it up. Nebraska also played NIU so we can probably put to bed that DQ at current is better than their QB.

Vs Illinois:
Haarberg(Nebraska) QBR 65.9
Card(Purdue) QBR 67.8
Finn(Toledo) QBR 68.8

(10-13-2023 08:02 AM)PrettyGoodRocket Wrote:  Im sure this thread will not spark any debates about his throwing ability.

What throwing ability?

(10-13-2023 01:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 12:48 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 10:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 10:25 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 09:42 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  Say what you want about Matt Millen as a GM, as a broadcaster he has always told it like it was.

Countless times during the Illinois came he commented about Finn needing to hit receivers in stride, be more accurate.

Sure some were completions, but when the receiver has to turn around to catch it he loses his forward motion and it costs the receiver YAC.

Has Finn grown? yes. Does he provide mismatches? Yes. Does he need to be more accurate as a passer? Yes

^^
This. No one has said less.

The yes-men complaining about other posters don't seem to want to recognize that. They seem to see any attempt at objective critique as vile, unsupportive criticism, not as the support that it really is.

66% is better than I thought he could ever be. If you expect more you expect a top 25 passer and top 5 runner for QB in the sport. Could he get better? I wouldn't put it past anyone to put in work and elevate their game. But to expect even better passing from a percentage? That's the best QB in the B1G territory. He is half of Logan Woodside as a passer with his decision making (The turnovers is my gripe and I want improvement there). DQ is 6/7ths of Woodside completing passes. And like 500% better running the ball! His weapons don't come close to Johnson, Johnson, Roberts and Thompson.

"better" has little to do with percentage. We play a lot easier schedule than the B10. We play an easier conference schedule than every other conference. We play a type of offense geared to pass to obviously open receivers. Having a running QB, opens up receivers. Our receivers are generally rated higher than other MAC, same as Woodside had if not at the same level. And Finn has had a couple may get that next step.

It's the quality and the type of pass, the rest of us are discussing. Not the amounts.

Well if you don't choose to quantify a QB by statistics that's pretty tough for me to argue.

Statistics require they be in the context in which they are taken. That's not something you do. I don't see any posts other than yours about completion percentage.

 
Completion percentage isn't the sum total of good or bad. Two QBs, same percentage, same talent receiving, one hits the momentum and his WRs gets after completion yards, the other doesn't. One hits over the shoulder routes, the other does not. There's so much more to talk about.

The posted thread you are responding to was talking about

"... hit receivers in stride... "

I'm not sure who you were supposed to be responding to but it doesn't seem to be anyone here.

(10-16-2023 12:21 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 01:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 12:48 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 10:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 10:25 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  ^^
This. No one has said less.

The yes-men complaining about other posters don't seem to want to recognize that. They seem to see any attempt at objective critique as vile, unsupportive criticism, not as the support that it really is.

66% is better than I thought he could ever be. If you expect more you expect a top 25 passer and top 5 runner for QB in the sport. Could he get better? I wouldn't put it past anyone to put in work and elevate their game. But to expect even better passing from a percentage? That's the best QB in the B1G territory. He is half of Logan Woodside as a passer with his decision making (The turnovers is my gripe and I want improvement there). DQ is 6/7ths of Woodside completing passes. And like 500% better running the ball! His weapons don't come close to Johnson, Johnson, Roberts and Thompson.

"better" has little to do with percentage. We play a lot easier schedule than the B10. We play an easier conference schedule than every other conference. We play a type of offense geared to pass to obviously open receivers. Having a running QB, opens up receivers. Our receivers are generally rated higher than other MAC, same as Woodside had if not at the same level. And Finn has had a couple may get that next step.

It's the quality and the type of pass, the rest of us are discussing. Not the amounts.

Well if you don't choose to quantify a QB by statistics that's pretty tough for me to argue.

Statistics require they be in the context in which they are taken. That's not something you do. I don't see any posts other than yours about completion percentage.

 
Completion percentage isn't the sum total of good or bad. Two QBs, same percentage, same talent receiving, one hits the momentum and his WRs gets after completion yards, the other doesn't. One hits over the shoulder routes, the other does not. There's so much more to talk about.

The posted thread you are responding to was talking about

"... hit receivers in stride... "

I'm not sure who you were supposed to be responding to but it doesn't seem to be anyone here.

Easy, just give it a rest. Really tired of your constant throw down on UofToledofan

(10-16-2023 03:43 PM)magoo Wrote:  

(10-16-2023 12:21 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 01:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 12:48 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(10-13-2023 10:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  66% is better than I thought he could ever be. If you expect more you expect a top 25 passer and top 5 runner for QB in the sport. Could he get better? I wouldn't put it past anyone to put in work and elevate their game. But to expect even better passing from a percentage? That's the best QB in the B1G territory. He is half of Logan Woodside as a passer with his decision making (The turnovers is my gripe and I want improvement there). DQ is 6/7ths of Woodside completing passes. And like 500% better running the ball! His weapons don't come close to Johnson, Johnson, Roberts and Thompson.

"better" has little to do with percentage. We play a lot easier schedule than the B10. We play an easier conference schedule than every other conference. We play a type of offense geared to pass to obviously open receivers. Having a running QB, opens up receivers. Our receivers are generally rated higher than other MAC, same as Woodside had if not at the same level. And Finn has had a couple may get that next step.

It's the quality and the type of pass, the rest of us are discussing. Not the amounts.

Well if you don't choose to quantify a QB by statistics that's pretty tough for me to argue.

Statistics require they be in the context in which they are taken. That's not something you do. I don't see any posts other than yours about completion percentage.

 
Completion percentage isn't the sum total of good or bad. Two QBs, same percentage, same talent receiving, one hits the momentum and his WRs gets after completion yards, the other doesn't. One hits over the shoulder routes, the other does not. There's so much more to talk about.

The posted thread you are responding to was talking about

"... hit receivers in stride... "

I'm not sure who you were supposed to be responding to but it doesn't seem to be anyone here.

Easy, just give it a rest. Really tired of your constant throw down on UofToledofan

lol You realize your post makes him look like a child. No of course you don't. He's not a child. He's not defenseless. He's not uneducated. The guy responded to my post. I responded back. This was goose and ganders monkeyboy.