MT, UTEP, and New Mexico St, three of the better programs, are dragging the conference down. If they get back to their normal level. We will be sold as a conference.

WBB has dropped to 15th, or so, overall, after being in the Top 10 for several years (I think)

(12-11-2023 11:43 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  MT, UTEP, and New Mexico St, three of the better programs, are dragging the conference down. If they get back to their normal level. We will be sold as a conference.

Yep. Just need that to happen sooner rather than later. WKU can't throw stones either since we underachieved for the last decade or so. If everyone plays up to their potential then we are a Top 10 hoops league, with a puncher's chance of being multi-bid.

(12-11-2023 11:43 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  MT, UTEP, and New Mexico St, three of the better programs, are dragging the conference down. If they get back to their normal level. We will be sold as a conference.

UTEP has the defensive side of the ball figured out. They just need to figure out how to score more effectively. Middle Tennessee just took a step back because of injuries. And well, NMSU is going to need time for the program to find its footing and bounce back. Hooten had Sam Houston very competitive in the WAC the last two seasons. So I think he can do it again in CUSA with NMSU. However, he will need to exceed what he accomplished at Sam Houston for Aggie fans to be truly happy. The goal for everyone here is NCAA tournament bids. And we have a lot of fan bases here who have experienced that level of success recently and many times over in the past. If everyone gets back to their traditional full strength, there will be a logjam at the top.

11 years at a school with ample resources relative to peers and not ONE NCAA Tournament to show for it. Best of luck to the Aggies, we need them to be great for CUSA to reach its full potential on the hardwood. But if NCAA Tournaments are the goal, I’m not sure Hooten is their guy.

(12-11-2023 01:30 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  11 years at a school with ample resources relative to peers and not ONE NCAA Tournament to show for it. Best of luck to the Aggies, we need them to be great for CUSA to reach its full potential on the hardwood. But if NCAA Tournaments are the goal, I’m not sure Hooten is their guy.

And you guys hired his assistant so if what you say is true we both might be in trouble. But NMSU has been a place where a lot of coaches win. I think Hooten can too. Its gonna take time.

(12-11-2023 01:35 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 01:30 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  11 years at a school with ample resources relative to peers and not ONE NCAA Tournament to show for it. Best of luck to the Aggies, we need them to be great for CUSA to reach its full potential on the hardwood. But if NCAA Tournaments are the goal, I’m not sure Hooten is their guy.

And you guys hired his assistant so if what you say is true we both might be in trouble. But NMSU has been a place where a lot of coaches win. I think Hooten can too. Its gonna take time.

I think most people agree that Sam Houston is in trouble.

(12-11-2023 01:35 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 01:30 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  11 years at a school with ample resources relative to peers and not ONE NCAA Tournament to show for it. Best of luck to the Aggies, we need them to be great for CUSA to reach its full potential on the hardwood. But if NCAA Tournaments are the goal, I’m not sure Hooten is their guy.

And you guys hired his assistant so if what you say is true we both might be in trouble. But NMSU has been a place where a lot of coaches win. I think Hooten can too. Its gonna take time.

There’s a rumor that the only interview they held was with Mudge. Speaks to the level of complacency within Sam’s athletic dept. surrounding hoops, as if 13 seasons of Hooten didn’t speak loudly enough. Not to say Mudge can’t be successful…

The resource and support gap, as well as the historical success, that an NMSU can boast over a program like Sam isn’t dissimilar to where we stood in relation to (non-SFA) Southland schools upon Hooten’s hiring. We left the league as a joke, passed up be schools with half our basketball budget. We’ll see. I’m rooting for him, he’s a good guy who runs a clean program. That’s enough at Sam, I assume it wouldn’t be at NMSU. Just couldn’t seem to get the monkey off his back here.

(12-11-2023 01:46 PM)KATatonic Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 01:35 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 01:30 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  11 years at a school with ample resources relative to peers and not ONE NCAA Tournament to show for it. Best of luck to the Aggies, we need them to be great for CUSA to reach its full potential on the hardwood. But if NCAA Tournaments are the goal, I’m not sure Hooten is their guy.

And you guys hired his assistant so if what you say is true we both might be in trouble. But NMSU has been a place where a lot of coaches win. I think Hooten can too. Its gonna take time.

I think most people agree that Sam Houston is in trouble.

I dont agree I think that can be competitve program in Conf USA
We don't know yet what a Mudge team looks like come Conf Tournament Time

(12-11-2023 02:04 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 01:35 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 01:30 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  11 years at a school with ample resources relative to peers and not ONE NCAA Tournament to show for it. Best of luck to the Aggies, we need them to be great for CUSA to reach its full potential on the hardwood. But if NCAA Tournaments are the goal, I’m not sure Hooten is their guy.

And you guys hired his assistant so if what you say is true we both might be in trouble. But NMSU has been a place where a lot of coaches win. I think Hooten can too. Its gonna take time.

There’s a rumor that the only interview they held was with Mudge. Speaks to the level of complacency within Sam’s athletic dept. surrounding hoops, as if 13 seasons of Hooten didn’t speak loudly enough. Not to say Mudge can’t be successful…

The resource and support gap, as well as the historical success, that an NMSU can boast over a program like Sam isn’t dissimilar to where we stood in relation to (non-SFA) Southland schools upon Hooten’s hiring. We left the league as a joke, passed up be schools with half our basketball budget. We’ll see. I’m rooting for him, he’s a good guy who runs a clean program. That’s enough at Sam, I assume it wouldn’t be at NMSU. Just couldn’t seem to get the monkey off his back here.

That is what happens when you have an upstart program and the coach gets hired away. North Texas did the same thing. Texas Tech did the same thing. ACU did the same thing.

(12-11-2023 03:14 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 02:04 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 01:35 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 01:30 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  11 years at a school with ample resources relative to peers and not ONE NCAA Tournament to show for it. Best of luck to the Aggies, we need them to be great for CUSA to reach its full potential on the hardwood. But if NCAA Tournaments are the goal, I’m not sure Hooten is their guy.

And you guys hired his assistant so if what you say is true we both might be in trouble. But NMSU has been a place where a lot of coaches win. I think Hooten can too. Its gonna take time.

There’s a rumor that the only interview they held was with Mudge. Speaks to the level of complacency within Sam’s athletic dept. surrounding hoops, as if 13 seasons of Hooten didn’t speak loudly enough. Not to say Mudge can’t be successful…

The resource and support gap, as well as the historical success, that an NMSU can boast over a program like Sam isn’t dissimilar to where we stood in relation to (non-SFA) Southland schools upon Hooten’s hiring. We left the league as a joke, passed up be schools with half our basketball budget. We’ll see. I’m rooting for him, he’s a good guy who runs a clean program. That’s enough at Sam, I assume it wouldn’t be at NMSU. Just couldn’t seem to get the monkey off his back here.

That is what happens when you have an upstart program and the coach gets hired away. North Texas did the same thing. Texas Tech did the same thing. ACU did the same thing.

All of those programs have had relatively high levels of success recently. What’s Sam accomplished recently?

(12-11-2023 03:43 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 03:14 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 02:04 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 01:35 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 01:30 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  11 years at a school with ample resources relative to peers and not ONE NCAA Tournament to show for it. Best of luck to the Aggies, we need them to be great for CUSA to reach its full potential on the hardwood. But if NCAA Tournaments are the goal, I’m not sure Hooten is their guy.

And you guys hired his assistant so if what you say is true we both might be in trouble. But NMSU has been a place where a lot of coaches win. I think Hooten can too. Its gonna take time.

There’s a rumor that the only interview they held was with Mudge. Speaks to the level of complacency within Sam’s athletic dept. surrounding hoops, as if 13 seasons of Hooten didn’t speak loudly enough. Not to say Mudge can’t be successful…

The resource and support gap, as well as the historical success, that an NMSU can boast over a program like Sam isn’t dissimilar to where we stood in relation to (non-SFA) Southland schools upon Hooten’s hiring. We left the league as a joke, passed up be schools with half our basketball budget. We’ll see. I’m rooting for him, he’s a good guy who runs a clean program. That’s enough at Sam, I assume it wouldn’t be at NMSU. Just couldn’t seem to get the monkey off his back here.

That is what happens when you have an upstart program and the coach gets hired away. North Texas did the same thing. Texas Tech did the same thing. ACU did the same thing.

All of those programs have had relatively high levels of success recently. What’s Sam accomplished recently?

Won 20 games and played the best basketball they ever played?

(12-11-2023 03:44 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 03:43 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 03:14 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 02:04 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 01:35 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  And you guys hired his assistant so if what you say is true we both might be in trouble. But NMSU has been a place where a lot of coaches win. I think Hooten can too. Its gonna take time.

There’s a rumor that the only interview they held was with Mudge. Speaks to the level of complacency within Sam’s athletic dept. surrounding hoops, as if 13 seasons of Hooten didn’t speak loudly enough. Not to say Mudge can’t be successful…

The resource and support gap, as well as the historical success, that an NMSU can boast over a program like Sam isn’t dissimilar to where we stood in relation to (non-SFA) Southland schools upon Hooten’s hiring. We left the league as a joke, passed up be schools with half our basketball budget. We’ll see. I’m rooting for him, he’s a good guy who runs a clean program. That’s enough at Sam, I assume it wouldn’t be at NMSU. Just couldn’t seem to get the monkey off his back here.

That is what happens when you have an upstart program and the coach gets hired away. North Texas did the same thing. Texas Tech did the same thing. ACU did the same thing.

All of those programs have had relatively high levels of success recently. What’s Sam accomplished recently?

Won 20 games and played the best basketball they ever played?

Oh the glory of a 20 win season in a historically down WAC that only happened thanks to the perfectly crappy OOC lineup, which ended in another early exit from the tournament at the hands of GCU.

“Best basketball ever played” is just your worthless opinion. I’d hope the level of play gets better in a tougher league. That doesn’t excuse the failure at hand, or what happened over the prior decade. Please stick to attention whoring on Katfans. You have way too much to learn about trolling, and basketball, to be posting here, bubs.

(12-11-2023 04:03 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 03:44 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 03:43 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 03:14 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 02:04 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  There’s a rumor that the only interview they held was with Mudge. Speaks to the level of complacency within Sam’s athletic dept. surrounding hoops, as if 13 seasons of Hooten didn’t speak loudly enough. Not to say Mudge can’t be successful…

The resource and support gap, as well as the historical success, that an NMSU can boast over a program like Sam isn’t dissimilar to where we stood in relation to (non-SFA) Southland schools upon Hooten’s hiring. We left the league as a joke, passed up be schools with half our basketball budget. We’ll see. I’m rooting for him, he’s a good guy who runs a clean program. That’s enough at Sam, I assume it wouldn’t be at NMSU. Just couldn’t seem to get the monkey off his back here.

That is what happens when you have an upstart program and the coach gets hired away. North Texas did the same thing. Texas Tech did the same thing. ACU did the same thing.

All of those programs have had relatively high levels of success recently. What’s Sam accomplished recently?

Won 20 games and played the best basketball they ever played?

Oh the glory of a 20 win season in a historically down WAC that only happened thanks to the perfectly crappy OOC lineup, which ended in another early exit from the tournament at the hands of GCU.

“Best basketball ever played” is just your worthless opinion. I’d hope the level of play gets better in a tougher league. That doesn’t excuse the failure at hand, or what happened over the prior decade. Please stick to attention whoring on Katfans. You have way too much to learn about trolling, and basketball, to be posting here, bubs.

Sam Houston is one of the worst basketball jobs in the country. Sam Houston fans are as delusional as ever.

If you go looking for a coach, you have to find an assistant that has never been a head coach before or go get the head coach at Lamar or West Texas A&M. That is all you are getting.

If you are Sam Houston, you hire the assistant and hope like hell it works because nothing else probably is.

(12-11-2023 01:30 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  11 years at a school with ample resources relative to peers and not ONE NCAA Tournament to show for it. Best of luck to the Aggies, we need them to be great for CUSA to reach its full potential on the hardwood. But if NCAA Tournaments are the goal, I’m not sure Hooten is their guy.

The only response I can say about this is NMSU has had five head coaches during its time in the WAC... with 10 NCAA Tournament appearances over four coaches. And of those five prior coaches, only one has taken his next program to the NCAA tournament since... Chris Jans. Reggie Theus failed in the NBA, failed at Cal State Northridge and is now struggling at Bethune-Cookman. Marvin Menzies failed at UNLV and is now struggling at UM Kansas City, Paul Weir is now out of college basketball altogether after flopping at UNM. And Greg Heiar is back in JC ball after his fiasco here.

Maybe Hooten struggle at NMSU but for the most part our school has fostered an environment conducive to making men's basketball coaches much better than they would be otherwise somewhere else.

Hooten's job at Sam Houston was pretty impressive. That's a basketball coach. That is what you look for when you are New Mexico State because it is a lot better job than Sam Houston and that is why he left.

(12-11-2023 04:23 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 04:03 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 03:44 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 03:43 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 03:14 PM)R40 Wrote:  That is what happens when you have an upstart program and the coach gets hired away. North Texas did the same thing. Texas Tech did the same thing. ACU did the same thing.

All of those programs have had relatively high levels of success recently. What’s Sam accomplished recently?

Won 20 games and played the best basketball they ever played?

Oh the glory of a 20 win season in a historically down WAC that only happened thanks to the perfectly crappy OOC lineup, which ended in another early exit from the tournament at the hands of GCU.

“Best basketball ever played” is just your worthless opinion. I’d hope the level of play gets better in a tougher league. That doesn’t excuse the failure at hand, or what happened over the prior decade. Please stick to attention whoring on Katfans. You have way too much to learn about trolling, and basketball, to be posting here, bubs.

Sam Houston is one of the worst basketball jobs in the country. Sam Houston fans are as delusional as ever.

If you go looking for a coach, you have to find an assistant that has never been a head coach before or go get the head coach at Lamar or West Texas A&M. That is all you are getting.

If you are Sam Houston, you hire the assistant and hope like hell it works because nothing else probably is.

Wrong per usual. No Sam fan is under the delusion that we’re some attractive job. It should however be one that you can win the lowly Southland in once in eleven tries.

(12-11-2023 04:43 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 04:23 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 04:03 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 03:44 PM)R40 Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 03:43 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  All of those programs have had relatively high levels of success recently. What’s Sam accomplished recently?

Won 20 games and played the best basketball they ever played?

Oh the glory of a 20 win season in a historically down WAC that only happened thanks to the perfectly crappy OOC lineup, which ended in another early exit from the tournament at the hands of GCU.

“Best basketball ever played” is just your worthless opinion. I’d hope the level of play gets better in a tougher league. That doesn’t excuse the failure at hand, or what happened over the prior decade. Please stick to attention whoring on Katfans. You have way too much to learn about trolling, and basketball, to be posting here, bubs.

Sam Houston is one of the worst basketball jobs in the country. Sam Houston fans are as delusional as ever.

If you go looking for a coach, you have to find an assistant that has never been a head coach before or go get the head coach at Lamar or West Texas A&M. That is all you are getting.

If you are Sam Houston, you hire the assistant and hope like hell it works because nothing else probably is.

Wrong per usual. No Sam fan is under the delusion that we’re some attractive job. It should however be one that you can win the lowly Southland in once in eleven tries.

Well you are getting a dose of reality playing in a conference that rates below the one you left. Prepare for more of the same.

Well, compared to Hooten's coaching peers in CUSA, it is not a insurmountable task for him to guide NMSU to an NCAA tournament in the future.

Ray Harper has four NCAA Tournament appearances in 13 years as a D1 head coach; Ritchie McKay has three NCAA Tournament appearances in 21 years as a D1 head coach; Joe Golding has two NCAA Tournament appearances in 10 years as a D1 head coach; Nick McDevitt has one NCAA Tournament appearance in 10 years as a D1 head coach; and Steve Lutz is probably the upstart of the group with two NCAA Tournament appearances in just two years as a D1 head coach. But he has the latest start in D1 head coaching at 48 years old. He is currently 51 years old.

Jeremy Ballard, Talvin Hester, and Chris Mudge are all at the start of their respective head coaching careers and have yet to see NCAA tournament play. All three were long time assistant coaches prior to their first head coaching job. I think Hester has the brightest future based on his recruiting.

Currently...

Ray Harper (age: 62)....... 567-227 (0.714)... NCAA Tournaments: 2022, 2017, 2013, 2012
Ritchie McKay (age: 58)... 387-270 (0.589)... NCAA Tournaments: 2021, 2019, 2005
Jason Hooten (age:54)..... 264-174 (0.603)
Joe Golding (age: 48)...... 198-180 (0.524)... NCAA Tournaments: 2021, 2019
Nick McDevitt (age: 44)... 172-159 (0.520)... NCAA Tournament: 2016
Jeremy Ballard (age: 42)... 66-68 (0.493)
Steve Lutz (age: 51)......... 54-26 (0.675)...... NCAA Tournaments: 2023, 2022
Talvin Hester (age: 45)...... 23-19 (0.548)
Chris Mudge (age: 39)......... 5-5 (0.500)

I am so out of touch I guess. I have only heard of Richie McKay and Ray Harper. No idea who these other coaches are.