You can't solve the problem without addressing the root cause. There is no viable two-state solution becuase there are not two viable states. If you go to the pre-1967 borders, Israel is 11 miles wide at its narrowest point, and the high ground is on the other side of the border, which is not defensible militarily, and Palestine is not viable economically. Any effort from there to make one side more viable necessarily makes the other less so.

Europe took its outcasts (Jews) and the Arabs took their outcasts (Palestinians) and sent both to a country that is not big enough for both. And they don't understand why they don't play well together.

(10-11-2023 09:42 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 06:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  The left's reflexive defense of Islam is steeped in our Country's founding as a Religious haven for all. Christian Protestants originally, but the Founding Fathers saw fit to protect them all in the Constitution with a true Separation of Church and State. It's interesting, however, as the Republican party has a much higher % of Religious members, it almost feels like the generic "left" just reflexively support all religions without bothering to see which ones are still bloodthirsty and which ones have mellowed a bit over the centuries.

I did some reading on the formation of Israel last night. I thought that it was the Brits' fault, but, in actuality, it was all on Truman. He wanted a Jewish State, and, despite numerous warnings of the dangers, he decided that help create the new Jewish State in Israel in 1948. We don't feel like we can walk away from Israel and all the terrible issues in the Middle East because WE STARTED THE NEW ERA OF WARFARE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Which is too bad, b/c so many of the people over there seem hell bent on killing each other. Today, it's the Hamas fighters committing new atrocities. What will Israel do in response? How many entire city blocks will be leveled in Gaza? Will 50k civilians die in the crossfire? 150k? 250k? How do you apportion blame when military personnel hide in the midst of civilian zones, guaranteeing that many civilians will die if the enemy identifies and takes out a legitimate military target?

I remember how I felt after 9/11, and we had to send people halfway around the world to get our revenge. There might not be a gaza strip at all in 6 months.

You do realize that Isreal was a nation, in that land, THOUSANDS of years before the Muslim religion was even born. You know this, right?

But yeah...1948.

Pretty much yeah. But it's somebody's "fault" that Jews got their own nation. The use of the word "fault" reveals a lot about your mind. It just goes to show how stupid otherwise "intelligent" people can be.

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Eventually some of y'all are going to realize that trying to assign blame here is an exercise in futility. This is the will of God playing out in real time over history. We don't need to understand all the how's and why's.

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(10-11-2023 11:16 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You can't expect libs to know what's in the Bible. They don't read it or believe it.

I know what's in the Bible, read it often, and believe a good chunk of it.

But, you do you I suppose.

(10-11-2023 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 11:16 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You can't expect libs to know what's in the Bible. They don't read it or believe it.

I know what's in the Bible, read it often, and believe a good chunk of it.

But, you do you I suppose.

So does Satan.

(10-11-2023 02:20 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 11:16 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You can't expect libs to know what's in the Bible. They don't read it or believe it.

I know what's in the Bible, read it often, and believe a good chunk of it.

But, you do you I suppose.

So does Satan.

So do you, I assume. Oops.

(10-11-2023 02:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 02:20 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 11:16 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You can't expect libs to know what's in the Bible. They don't read it or believe it.

I know what's in the Bible, read it often, and believe a good chunk of it.

But, you do you I suppose.

So does Satan.

So do you, I assume. Oops.

Eh, I know a little. But, still have a long way to go.

The key is not just believing a "good chunk of it", but repenting of your sins and submitting your life to the Author of it.

(10-11-2023 02:31 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 02:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 02:20 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 11:16 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You can't expect libs to know what's in the Bible. They don't read it or believe it.

I know what's in the Bible, read it often, and believe a good chunk of it.

But, you do you I suppose.

So does Satan.

So do you, I assume. Oops.

Eh, I know a little. But, still have a long way to go.

The key is not just believing a "good chunk of it", but repenting of your sins and submitting your life to the Author of it.

I'm well aware. Been going to church my entire life.

(10-11-2023 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 11:16 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You can't expect libs to know what's in the Bible. They don't read it or believe it.

I know what's in the Bible, read it often, and believe a good chunk of it.

But, you do you I suppose.

So you're finally admitting you aren't an Independent you're a liberal.

(10-11-2023 02:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 02:31 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 02:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 02:20 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I know what's in the Bible, read it often, and believe a good chunk of it.

But, you do you I suppose.

So does Satan.

So do you, I assume. Oops.

Eh, I know a little. But, still have a long way to go.

The key is not just believing a "good chunk of it", but repenting of your sins and submitting your life to the Author of it.

I'm well aware. Been going to church my entire life.

But, you only believe a "good chunk of it"?

(10-11-2023 02:39 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 11:16 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You can't expect libs to know what's in the Bible. They don't read it or believe it.

I know what's in the Bible, read it often, and believe a good chunk of it.

But, you do you I suppose.

So you're finally admitting you aren't an Independent you're a liberal.

(10-11-2023 02:39 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 02:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 02:31 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 02:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 02:20 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  So does Satan.

So do you, I assume. Oops.

Eh, I know a little. But, still have a long way to go.

The key is not just believing a "good chunk of it", but repenting of your sins and submitting your life to the Author of it.

I'm well aware. Been going to church my entire life.

But, you only believe a "good chunk of it"?

Yeah, so? There's a few stories in the OT, which yeah...I tend to doubt. I'm a flawed Christian, like most of us. But that's the beauty of the New Testament and the New Covenant.

(10-11-2023 02:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 02:39 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 02:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 02:31 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 02:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So do you, I assume. Oops.

Eh, I know a little. But, still have a long way to go.

The key is not just believing a "good chunk of it", but repenting of your sins and submitting your life to the Author of it.

I'm well aware. Been going to church my entire life.

But, you only believe a "good chunk of it"?

Yeah, so? There's a few stories in the OT, which yeah...I tend to doubt. I'm a flawed Christian, like most of us. But that's the beauty of the New Testament and the New Covenant.

We are ALL beyond flawed. We are all COMPLETELY ROTTEN to the core.

I just have a difficult time with "believing good chunks of the Bible". It's either God's inerrant/infallible Word or it isn't.

It claims that it is...

(10-10-2023 11:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 06:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  The left's reflexive defense of Islam is steeped in our Country's founding as a Religious haven for all. Christian Protestants originally, but the Founding Fathers saw fit to protect them all in the Constitution with a true Separation of Church and State. It's interesting, however, as the Republican party has a much higher % of Religious members, it almost feels like the generic "left" just reflexively support all religions without bothering to see which ones are still bloodthirsty and which ones have mellowed a bit over the centuries.

I did some reading on the formation of Israel last night. I thought that it was the Brits' fault, but, in actuality, it was all on Truman. He wanted a Jewish State, and, despite numerous warnings of the dangers, he decided that help create the new Jewish State in Israel in 1948. We don't feel like we can walk away from Israel and all the terrible issues in the Middle East because WE STARTED THE NEW ERA OF WARFARE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Which is too bad, b/c so many of the people over there seem hell bent on killing each other. Today, it's the Hamas fighters committing new atrocities. What will Israel do in response? How many entire city blocks will be leveled in Gaza? Will 50k civilians die in the crossfire? 150k? 250k? How do you apportion blame when military personnel hide in the midst of civilian zones, guaranteeing that many civilians will die if the enemy identifies and takes out a legitimate military target?

I remember how I felt after 9/11, and we had to send people halfway around the world to get our revenge. There might not be a gaza strip at all in 6 months.

Actually the left opposes all religions. The atheists/agnostics among them have control the the Democratic Party, just as the extremes on every other issue do.

The rank and file left are atheists/agnostics. Those pulling the strings are either Muslims or using the Muslims to their own devices.

Somebody doesn't know how to read a room.........

Faux-cahontas' reaction behind him is pretty good.