Let’s suppose that FSU, UL and UNC go undefeated, only 2 can rep in the ACCCG. Could the team left out get one of those playoff spots or is the world just not ready for UL or UNC getting in? I’m assuming FSU is one of the ACCCG reps since they will likely end the year ranked highest if this scenario plays out.

From the May meeting

"But the threat of two or more teams ending with the season with the same record at the top of the ACC looms, so at their annual spring meetings in Amelia Island, Florida, conference officials have created extensive rules to settle tiebreakers.

At the most basic level, the teams with the two best winning percentages in conference play will play on the first weekend of December in Charlotte, North Carolina at the Bank of America Stadium for the ACC title.

In the case of a two-team tie for the second-best winning percentage, the first move is to turn to head-to-head competition, with the winner of that game holding the advantage. If there was no head-to-head competition, the next determinant is winning percentage against all common opponents. Then it moves to win percentage against common opponents with the added caveat of order of finish in the conference, beginning with the highest-seeded common opponents and moving downward in order of the standings. The fourth step is to factor in the combined winning percentage of a team's conference opponent, with the team who faced the better opponents gaining the advantage.


After that, the league will factor in details not settled on the field. The fifth step will be for third-party SportSource Analytics to determine a Team Rating Score at the conclusion of regular season play and the team with a higher score will advance to the Championship Game. If all else fails, the commissioner of the league chooses the advancing team at random.

If three or more teams are tied for the best record in the league, the first step is to determine a top seed. The league will do that first by considering head-to-head win percentage against all other tied teams if they are common opponents. Next, the tiebreaker becomes win percentage against all common opponents and continues through the same procedures as the two-team ties, all the way down to the random draw from the commissioner. This process proceeds until there are two teams determined to be the top two seeds."

All three play Pitt, Duke, and Miami so toss those three out.

The game will be the finish of Clemson, NCSU, BC, WF, Syracuse, GT, VT and UVa.

Playing and beating Clemson will likely be the fourth step factor that puts FSU and UNC in over Louisville if all are undefeated.


But if all three are undefeated and Louisville is home at 12-0, they will get a playoff spot unless there are 4 other undefeated conference champs. The loser of the UNC/FSU game gets the Orange Bowl.

I can see Michigan and FSU, in one playoff spot and Louisville and UGa in the other.

Let’s hope it comes to that, it would be a great offseason talking point.

I guess this is one of those hypothetical exercises that has virtually no chance of happening in the real world.

(10-10-2023 05:41 PM)ken d Wrote:  I guess this is one of those hypothetical exercises that has virtually no chance of happening in the real world.

UNC has the hardest row to hoe finishing with Duke, then at Clemson, and at NC State.
Louisville has to finish at Miami then hosts Kentucky.

FSU should have a relative cake walk.

(10-10-2023 06:11 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 05:41 PM)ken d Wrote:  I guess this is one of those hypothetical exercises that has virtually no chance of happening in the real world.

UNC has the hardest row to hoe finishing with Duke, then at Clemson, and at NC State.
Louisville has to finish at Miami then hosts Kentucky.

FSU should have a relative cake walk.

And Carolina has a long history of losing games when they aren't expected to. Going unbeaten is really hard, and most ACC teams won't be considered CFP worthy in a four team tournament with even one loss.

How's this scenario: #1 FSU (12-0) vs #4 Louisville (12-0) in the ACC CG.
Louisville wins, but it's close, and there's only one other undefeated champ.
BOTH UL and FSU get into the playoffs, IMO.

Can the ACC get 3 in the playoffs? 2 undefeated and 1 1-lose time?

FSU (12-0) plays UNC (12-0) in the ACCCG
Louisville (12-0) sits out

So.....
Fsu (13-0)
UNC (12-1) with only loss to a 13-0 school
Louisville (12-0)

SO you're telling me there's a chance?

Ok, how bout two 1 loss teams plus 2 others that get a NY6 bowl?

(10-10-2023 10:40 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Can the ACC get 3 in the playoffs? 2 undefeated and 1 1-lose time?

FSU (12-0) plays UNC (12-0) in the ACCCG
Louisville (12-0) sits out

So.....
Fsu (13-0)
UNC (12-1) with only loss to a 13-0 school
Louisville (12-0)

SO you're telling me there's a chance?

This would also require most of the other P5 conferences finishing with 2-loss conference champions. It works in theory, but very unlikely.

And this is why getting rid of the divisions was the right move. We would never be having this discussion otherwise. Makes it way more interesting.

(10-11-2023 09:45 AM)TopperCard Wrote:  And this is why getting rid of the divisions was the right move. We would never be having this discussion otherwise. Makes it way more interesting.

TRUE!

Checking Clemson’s schedule this is how it could go down:

Clemson runs the table which includes wins vs UM, UNC, NCSU and ND.

UNC finishes 11-1 with wins against UM, Duke, NCSU and a loss to Clemson.

FSU and UL finishes no worse than 11-1.

The ACCCG will be between FSU, UNC and UL. Ideally nobody from this group has no more than 1 loss after the ACCCG. Clemson finishes strong. The ACC has 4 schools in the playoff/NY6 bowls.

(10-11-2023 11:14 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Checking Clemson’s schedule this is how it could go down:

Clemson runs the table which includes wins vs UM, UNC, NCSU and ND.

UNC finishes 11-1 with wins against UM, Duke, NCSU and a loss to Clemson.

FSU and UL finishes no worse than 11-1.

The ACCCG will be between FSU, UNC and UL. Ideally nobody from this group has no more than 1 loss after the ACCCG. Clemson finishes strong. The ACC has 4 schools in the playoff/NY6 bowls.

So...
FSU 13-0 : playoffs (Sugar or Rose)
UL 12-1 : Orange Bowl
UNC 11-1 : Cotton Bowl
Clemson 10-2 : Peach Bowl

(10-11-2023 02:29 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-11-2023 11:14 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Checking Clemson’s schedule this is how it could go down:

Clemson runs the table which includes wins vs UM, UNC, NCSU and ND.

UNC finishes 11-1 with wins against UM, Duke, NCSU and a loss to Clemson.

FSU and UL finishes no worse than 11-1.

The ACCCG will be between FSU, UNC and UL. Ideally nobody from this group has no more than 1 loss after the ACCCG. Clemson finishes strong. The ACC has 4 schools in the playoff/NY6 bowls.

So...
FSU 13-0 : playoffs (Sugar or Rose)
UL 12-1 : Orange Bowl
UNC 11-1 : Cotton Bowl
Clemson 10-2 : Peach Bowl

Yes, but I was hoping 2 wouid make it into the playoffs, but that looks very good to me.

Four teams in the playoffs/NY6 would be a brand new day for this conference! Could possibly be a hail mary received for all to stay together and figure it out. I wonder what that does revenue wise, keep what you kill for those 4 teams...could set precedent.

Its way too early, but its certainly fun to speculate together as fans of/in the conference!

1. Uga (6-0) w Vandy, UF, Mizzou, Ole Miss, Tennessee, and GT.
2. UM (6-0) w IU, MSU, Purdue, PennState, Maryland and OSU.
3. OSU (5-0) w Purdue, PennState, Wisky, Rutgers, MSU, Minny, UM.
4. FSU (5-0) w Cuse, Duke, Wake, Pitt, U, North Bama, UF.
5. OU (6-0) w UCF, Kansas, OSU, WV, BYU, TCU.
6. Penn State (5=0) w UMass, OSU, IU, Maryland, UM, Rutgers, MSU.
7. UW (5-0) w Oregon, ASU, Stanford, USC, Utah, OSU, WSU.
8. Oregon (5-0) w UW, WSU, Utah, Cal, USC, ASU, OSU.
9. Texas (5-1) w Houston, BYU, KSU, TCU, ISU, TT.
10. USC (6-0) w ND, Utah, Cal, UW, Oregon, UCLA.
11. Bama (5-1) w Arkansas, Tennessee, LSU, UK, Chattanooga, Auburn.
12. NC (5-0) w U, Uva, GT, Campbell, Duke, Clemson, State.
13. Ole Miss (5-1) w Auburn, Vandy, A&M, UL-Monroe, MissState
14. UL (6-0) w Pitt, Duke, VT, Uva, U, UK.

A lot of things need to unfold for an undefeated UNC or UL to make the playoffs.

Texas and OU remaining schedule looks very favorable. Everyone else has some really tough games. Check back again in 2 weeks.

For what it is worth, I publish chances of making the playoff given record. Three 12-0 teams actually has (barely) >1% chance of happening. Getting a second team in the playoff is a Long Shot. Florida State has the best chance to make the playoff as a non-champ, 11% if their only loss is the CCG.