(09-19-2023 12:37 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 09:53 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  No Pac12 leftovers. No UConn. No Gonzaga.

JUST LEAVE US ALONE !!!!

You do know that if UCF gets AAU status that the B1G is going to grab them,right?? You're complaining about the arrivals but you're ignoring possible departures too!! If anything, I would want to be left alone from that!!! And UC has been the victim of poached leagues before too!! Big East ring any bells??

I don't think that there's anything UCF could do over the next 10-20 years to get the B1G to come calling. Maybe WAY down the line, sure, but I doubt it. I'm not even all that confident that FSU or Clemson is on the B1G radar today, and they're light years ahead of UCF Athletically and a bit ahead of them Academically.

If I was ranking the Big 12 schools for B1G consideration, I'd put the 4c at #1-4, with CU clearly in the #1 spot and ASU a strong #2.

(09-19-2023 02:55 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  B-12 gotta shot at losing 6 if SEC/BIG jump to 24, maybe ACC if Cal & Stanford stay there
Utah, ASU, Colo, Ariz, Kansas, 3rd Tex school

The very fact that you can't decide on a 3rd Texas school tells us all we need to know about the P2's interest in the Big 12. They have a bunch of good schools, but none of them have ever really separated themselves from the pac in the P54 era until CU over the first 3 games of this year.

(09-19-2023 04:05 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  It’s impossible to predict what the center of gravity will be for the new BigXII over the period of the current TV contract.

It SHOULD be Texas as that’s the primary recruiting ground for the entire conference. But right now the TX schools (TTU, HOU, Bay, TCU) have played themselves out of relevance. CU, KU, UU, BYU, and UCF remain undefeated. BYU, UU, and CU (old skyline) plus KU are the only schools with wins over P2 programs.

If this kind of performance keeps up, the center of gravity will shift in a way that probably aligns KU more with CU and the Western schools.

In a healthy Conference, there should be periodic changes in the center of gravity. Even in the SEC, as much as it seemed like Alabama and 13 bride's maids for a few years there, it's rotated plenty over the past couple decades between Alabama/Georgia/LSU/Florida/Auburn, with good reasons to watch Kentucky, Ole Miss, Arkansas, A&M, Tennessee, and OUT in the future. The Big 12 is appearing to enter a similar period, with more than half the conference in the CCG over the past 3 years and a whole bunch of new/hungry/competitive teams joining. Some years the Texas schools will do very well, some years it will be one of the Utah or Arizona schools, or an old Big 8 school, or one of the Eastern programs...I'll admit, it's hard to predict who will be in the Big 12 CCG between 2024 and 2030. I wouldn't be all that surprised if 2/3 of the teams made it at least once.

(09-19-2023 05:39 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 05:33 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 02:01 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:37 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 09:53 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  No Pac12 leftovers. No UConn. No Gonzaga.

JUST LEAVE US ALONE !!!!

You do know that if UCF gets AAU status that the B1G is going to grab them,right?? You're complaining about the arrivals but you're ignoring possible departures too!! If anything, I would want to be left alone from that!!! And UC has been the victim of poached leagues before too!! Big East ring any bells??

Isn't USF already AAU? Aint nobody grabbed them up.

But I guess the B1G has't gotten your memo yet.

Rice is also AAU. What do Rice & USF have in common, besides being both AAU members? Bad athletics. There's your answer. Otherwise we'd be talking Rice, AKA Uncle Ben's University, to the B1G.

Ahhh... I see.

Well that explains how Rutgers got in.

Rutgers got in b/c they're a Flagship AAU that's 50 miles from NYC. They've made the B1G a BUNDLE since joining. Once they start making as much money as the rest of the B1G, probably no later than the year 2100, watch out!

(09-19-2023 02:55 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  B-12 gotta shot at losing 6 if SEC/BIG jump to 24, maybe ACC if Cal & Stanford stay there
Utah, ASU, Colo, Ariz, Kansas, 3rd Tex school

You really think that they would leave the Big XII for the ACC if the latter league loses its six most valuable schools? I mean I guess anything is possible, but wouldn't the ACC take a huge hit to its next media contract? I think it would.

I can see this play out IF the Big 12 expands further. Oregon St. is added if ESPN desired additional After Dark content (added at a discount of course) while helping relieve some of the possible strain off the other western 5 schools playing After Dark games. FOX probably doesn't pay much since they'll likely have the MWC content as well as B1G. For what it's worth, OSU is a 45 minute drive from the Eugene OR airport, which has direct flights to Seattle, LA, SD, LV, Phoenix, SLC, Denver, and Dallas.

For the 18th school, I think Memphis should get the nod countering the Oregon St. addition to help the eastern schools (all schools near or east of I-35 + Kansas schools) reduce travel for them. Memphis adds solid football, a great basketball brand, and established rivalries with newcomers Houston, UCF, and Cincy. They would probably be added at a more notable discount (maybe their current AAC payout). Again, this is IF the Big 12 expands to 18. I think staying at 16 is more likely.

(09-19-2023 05:51 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 04:05 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  It’s impossible to predict what the center of gravity will be for the new BigXII over the period of the current TV contract.

It SHOULD be Texas as that’s the primary recruiting ground for the entire conference. But right now the TX schools (TTU, HOU, Bay, TCU) have played themselves out of relevance. CU, KU, UU, BYU, and UCF remain undefeated. BYU, UU, and CU (old skyline) plus KU are the only schools with wins over P2 programs.

If this kind of performance keeps up, the center of gravity will shift in a way that probably aligns KU more with CU and the Western schools.

In a healthy Conference, there should be periodic changes in the center of gravity. Even in the SEC, as much as it seemed like Alabama and 13 bride's maids for a few years there, it's rotated plenty over the past couple decades between Alabama/Georgia/LSU/Florida/Auburn, with good reasons to watch Kentucky, Ole Miss, Arkansas, A&M, Tennessee, and OUT in the future. The Big 12 is appearing to enter a similar period, with more than half the conference in the CCG over the past 3 years and a whole bunch of new/hungry/competitive teams joining. Some years the Texas schools will do very well, some years it will be one of the Utah or Arizona schools, or an old Big 8 school, or one of the Eastern programs...I'll admit, it's hard to predict who will be in the Big 12 CCG between 2024 and 2030. I wouldn't be all that surprised if 2/3 of the teams made it at least once.

The center of gravity is a little different than who’s winning. USCLA were always the center of gravity for the PAC in the way Michigan and OSU are for the B1G.

Big10 does not need Stanford or Cal. They are already getting the BIG10 Network California fee bump through USC/UCLA.

Only team they would duplicate a state in is Notre Dame.

(09-20-2023 05:12 AM)Fanofreason Wrote:  Big10 does not need Stanford or Cal. They are already getting the BIG10 Network California fee bump through USC/UCLA.

Only team they would duplicate a state in is Notre Dame.

I think that, once the ACC schools are available, that they might add 2 from NC or Florida - especially Florida, even if one of the 2 is USF.

As for Stanford and Cal - I still am surprised about Stanford. There must be some real behind-the-scenes that we don't know about there. Cal, we heard about, and so, not as surprised about that.

(09-20-2023 06:02 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 05:12 AM)Fanofreason Wrote:  Big10 does not need Stanford or Cal.

As for Stanford and Cal - I still am surprised about [the B1G taking a pass on] Stanford.

Me too. Stanford's academic chops are just too good to ignore. Plus the big SF/Oakland market, if they can fix the problems of late.