(09-14-2023 01:17 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:34 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:30 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:27 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:17 PM)Southaven Wrote:  Not sure why you are slighting Norvell but he did a job no one has come close to doing in getting us to the Cotton Bowl.

It's a statement of fact. And I don't blame Norvell. Like me, he doesn't care about meaningless bowl games. His decision made perfect sense.

if Memphis had won the Cotton Bowl...it would have been far from meaningless. I daresay we wouldn't have left behind in the next round of realignment if we had.

Come on, man. Winning or losing a bowl game has zero to do with our being left behind.

That's a major bowl game...so yes there would have been interest in the game.
Coaches that win that game get bonuses...so that would kind of kill the notion that the game doesn't matter.

Bowl games do not matter. It’s just an exhibition unless it’s a playoff game. If you are in a NY6 just being there helps. As long as you don’t get blown out it’s a win win. Losing the LB game by one to Iowa State didn’t hurt either. But going to the Weedeater bowl means nothing. This isn’t 1975

(09-13-2023 07:17 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 05:53 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:32 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:21 AM)Southaven Wrote:  Personally, I'll take a conference championship win over a bowl win any day.

His ONLY post season win was ACC title game. How many conference championship game wins do we have in football?

I'll take a conference title win on our home turf over 10 bowl games.

Bowl games are meaningless exhibitions that coaches and players don't even stick around for. An everybody gets a trophy exercise. When 82 teams make a bowl game, it tells you how unimportant bowl games are now.

Its a positive that we have better expectations, but the New Orleans Bowl with Deangelo was not meaningless. The Miami Beach Bowl against BYU was not meaningless. The Cotton Bowl was not meaningless.

I was in New Orleans, that was a lot of fun.

But since the playoff started, I just don't care about the other bowl games. It's an end of the year reward trip, and I hope the players, their families and the fans that go enjoy it. Like your example of the Cotton Bowl, our head coach didn't care enough to hang around and coach the game. If the head coach - the guy who should care more than anybody - doesn't care, why should I? The transfer portal has made them matter even less. And many top players don't play so they don't get hurt before the NFL draft.

It's fine if you still care about the 40 or so bowl games, but I don't. Except for the CFP, once the conference championships end, it's the NFL, NBA and Tiger hoops for me.

Not sure why you are slighting Norvell but he did a job no one has come close to doing in getting us to the Cotton Bowl.

I don’t take that as a slight at Norvell. Check out Nascar guys posts he’s the one slighting him the most because he lost to Iowa St and Wake Forest and 2 champ games to an unbeaten UCF

(09-14-2023 08:41 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:34 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:30 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:27 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:17 PM)Southaven Wrote:  Not sure why you are slighting Norvell but he did a job no one has come close to doing in getting us to the Cotton Bowl.

It's a statement of fact. And I don't blame Norvell. Like me, he doesn't care about meaningless bowl games. His decision made perfect sense.

if Memphis had won the Cotton Bowl...it would have been far from meaningless. I daresay we wouldn't have left behind in the next round of realignment if we had.

Come on, man. Winning or losing a bowl game has zero to do with our being left behind.

But winning a big bowl game instantly changes your national image.

Boise got their chops by beating Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.

Houston beat #9 Florida State in the Peach Bowl.

Louisville beat Florida in the Sugar Bowl.

We still need a signature bowl win.

I give up. Some of you guys grew up where the New Year's Day bowls were great. They determined the national champ. And the Liberty Bowl was great, it had the Monday night slot after the last NFL Monday night game.

But the NCAA went crazy. We went from like 15 bowl games in 1980 to 40 bowl games now.

(09-14-2023 09:59 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 08:41 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:34 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:30 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:27 PM)Tigx Wrote:  It's a statement of fact. And I don't blame Norvell. Like me, he doesn't care about meaningless bowl games. His decision made perfect sense.

if Memphis had won the Cotton Bowl...it would have been far from meaningless. I daresay we wouldn't have left behind in the next round of realignment if we had.

Come on, man. Winning or losing a bowl game has zero to do with our being left behind.

But winning a big bowl game instantly changes your national image.

Boise got their chops by beating Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.

Houston beat #9 Florida State in the Peach Bowl.

Louisville beat Florida in the Sugar Bowl.

We still need a signature bowl win.

I give up. Some of you guys grew up where the New Year's Day bowls were great. They determined the national champ. And the Liberty Bowl was great, it had the Monday night slot after the last NFL Monday night game.

But the NCAA went crazy. We went from like 15 bowl games in 1980 to 40 bowl games now.

They still think it’s 1975

But it wasn’t the ncaa that went crazy it was espn and the gambling degenerates wanting more games to bet

(09-14-2023 09:48 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 01:17 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:34 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:30 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:27 PM)Tigx Wrote:  It's a statement of fact. And I don't blame Norvell. Like me, he doesn't care about meaningless bowl games. His decision made perfect sense.

if Memphis had won the Cotton Bowl...it would have been far from meaningless. I daresay we wouldn't have left behind in the next round of realignment if we had.

Come on, man. Winning or losing a bowl game has zero to do with our being left behind.

That's a major bowl game...so yes there would have been interest in the game.
Coaches that win that game get bonuses...so that would kind of kill the notion that the game doesn't matter.

Bowl games do not matter. It’s just an exhibition unless it’s a playoff game. If you are in a NY6 just being there helps. As long as you don’t get blown out it’s a win win. Losing the LB game by one to Iowa State didn’t hurt either. But going to the Weedeater bowl means nothing. This isn’t 1975

Thank you. +3. Fans need to adjust. We now have a CFP. And a 12-team CFP soon. If coaches and players don't bother to show up for them, they don't matter.

that is your opinion. And you are welcome to it.
There are many of us who believe there is worth in a major bowl game.
You will never change my mind on that.

(09-14-2023 11:21 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  that is your opinion. And you are welcome to it.
There are many of us who believe there is worth in a major bowl game.
You will never change my mind on that.

Well appearing in the Cotton Bowl after the 2019 season sure helped us not to get passed over by BYU, Cincy, Houston and Central Florida when the Big 12 expanded in September of '21 . . . oops, never mind.

If your life depended on it, without using Google, could you tell us who appeared in last year's Cotton Bowl?

Have fun, enjoy the game if you go. I hope the players get a lot of free swag and get hammered drunk. But the games don't matter.

(09-13-2023 07:51 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 06:23 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:26 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:50 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:46 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Missouri, Boise, Tulane, SMU

3 at home, Missouri in StL

At this point all other opponents look Charmin soft.

Anything less than 10-2 would be bad.

He can literally lose all 4 of those, go 8-4 - and there are some on here that would be ready to extend his contract and throw him a parade...

If you're at a school with an all time winning rate of .496 and you have a .667 season then 99.9% of those schools will give you an extension.

You're not going to get another Norvell level coach to take this job.

So stop using him for a measuring stick.

Not a single coach in Memphis history would be able to match up.

Spook and Norvell are the only coaches that have stayed at Memphis over 3 years that have a better record.

And only 5 in the entire history of the program have a better record.

Here's another tidbit fir you Norvell NEVER won a bowl game at Memphis.

His ONLY post season win was AAC title game.

Silverfield's ONLY post season loss was with Norvell's last team.

What I said ONLY applies to this season.

It just sets up beautifully.

3-year starting junior at QB

EXTREMELY favorable schedule with zero 'tough' games as true road games.

He can drop 2 of Missouri, Boise (home), Tulane (home), and SMU (home) and go 10-2.

A boatload of injuries to key players including the QB would obviously change things.

Other years would be different and have to be evaluated on their own merits.

Trying to imply that the Missouri game is not a tough game because it’s not a true Road game shows at the very least a bias against our current coach

That's not what I said. I said zero tough games are true road games.

Tulane, SMU, and Boise are tough games but are at home.

Missouri is a tough game but is not a true home game for Missouri and it's not a true road game for the Tigers. I'm not buying into it's a neutral site game because it's not but it's not a home game for Missouri either.

Do you see how you misinterpreted and twisted the meaning of my words?

You either did it intentionally or your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

Which one was it?

The Missouri game is a true road game for the Tigers.

(09-14-2023 11:21 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  that is your opinion. And you are welcome to it.
There are many of us who believe there is worth in a major bowl game.
You will never change my mind on that.

First off define major bowl game

If you’re talking the NY6 game you get the same amount of money win or lose. You bring up Boise but that was over a decade ago when they beat Oklahoma. That was back in the BCS days. It’s a totally different deal now. I guess if we get into the playoff we will need to win a game to be justified ? Makes no sense

(09-13-2023 08:38 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:11 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  I am not saying that Silverfield is gone. I really hope he succeeds this year. But, if a change is needed, Eastman Beaudine of Plano, TX is the name to remember. That is the search firm that found us Fuente and I think they also found us Norvell. So, they hit two home runs for us. Here is a link to their website. You may enjoy the comments of Bob Beaudine in the video. https://www.eastman-beaudine.com/
They were the search firm that found Dion Sanders for the Univ of Colorado.

That's not much to say. Colorado had no expectations entering this year. They did, however, use Deion as a marketing tool to bolster their athletic program. Tickets sales will do its justice. They didn't know what they were going to get out of Deion from the football perspective. However, they 2-0 start is somewhat impressive (won't go overboard though), but they have Oregon and USC in a few weeks.

If Memphis got rid of Silverfield and hired Deion, we would've sold out the Liberty Bowl against Bethune-Cookman. We wouldn't know what we were going to get out on the field, but guess would be we would win the AAC knowing we had his two sons, the running back, the returner (that transferred from South Florida to Colorado), and Travis Hunter all transferring to Memphis.

Colorado had nothing to lose if they hired Deion. Playing with house money. Deion was going to leave Jackson, MS, just happened Colorado was the only "P5" school was going to hire him.

Not just unlikely, but unfathomable. What is this nonsense?

we wouldn't sell out the LB if Christ himself was the head ball coach

(09-14-2023 09:50 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:17 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 05:53 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:32 AM)Tigx Wrote:  I'll take a conference title win on our home turf over 10 bowl games.

Bowl games are meaningless exhibitions that coaches and players don't even stick around for. An everybody gets a trophy exercise. When 82 teams make a bowl game, it tells you how unimportant bowl games are now.

Its a positive that we have better expectations, but the New Orleans Bowl with Deangelo was not meaningless. The Miami Beach Bowl against BYU was not meaningless. The Cotton Bowl was not meaningless.

I was in New Orleans, that was a lot of fun.

But since the playoff started, I just don't care about the other bowl games. It's an end of the year reward trip, and I hope the players, their families and the fans that go enjoy it. Like your example of the Cotton Bowl, our head coach didn't care enough to hang around and coach the game. If the head coach - the guy who should care more than anybody - doesn't care, why should I? The transfer portal has made them matter even less. And many top players don't play so they don't get hurt before the NFL draft.

It's fine if you still care about the 40 or so bowl games, but I don't. Except for the CFP, once the conference championships end, it's the NFL, NBA and Tiger hoops for me.

Not sure why you are slighting Norvell but he did a job no one has come close to doing in getting us to the Cotton Bowl.

I don’t take that as a slight at Norvell. Check out Nascar guys posts he’s the one slighting him the most because he lost to Iowa St and Wake Forest and 2 champ games to an unbeaten UCF

Saying Norvell "didn't care enough to hang around and coach the game" is a slight in my opinion compared to what Norvell accomplished. As for nascar guy just consider the source.

(09-14-2023 09:59 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 08:41 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:34 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:30 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:27 PM)Tigx Wrote:  It's a statement of fact. And I don't blame Norvell. Like me, he doesn't care about meaningless bowl games. His decision made perfect sense.

if Memphis had won the Cotton Bowl...it would have been far from meaningless. I daresay we wouldn't have left behind in the next round of realignment if we had.

Come on, man. Winning or losing a bowl game has zero to do with our being left behind.

But winning a big bowl game instantly changes your national image.

Boise got their chops by beating Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.

Houston beat #9 Florida State in the Peach Bowl.

Louisville beat Florida in the Sugar Bowl.

We still need a signature bowl win.

I give up. Some of you guys grew up where the New Year's Day bowls were great. They determined the national champ. And the Liberty Bowl was great, it had the Monday night slot after the last NFL Monday night game.

But the NCAA went crazy. We went from like 15 bowl games in 1980 to 40 bowl games now.

Actually, espn created the glut of bowl games for programming.

(09-14-2023 11:54 AM)Southaven Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 09:50 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:17 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 05:53 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  Its a positive that we have better expectations, but the New Orleans Bowl with Deangelo was not meaningless. The Miami Beach Bowl against BYU was not meaningless. The Cotton Bowl was not meaningless.

I was in New Orleans, that was a lot of fun.

But since the playoff started, I just don't care about the other bowl games. It's an end of the year reward trip, and I hope the players, their families and the fans that go enjoy it. Like your example of the Cotton Bowl, our head coach didn't care enough to hang around and coach the game. If the head coach - the guy who should care more than anybody - doesn't care, why should I? The transfer portal has made them matter even less. And many top players don't play so they don't get hurt before the NFL draft.

It's fine if you still care about the 40 or so bowl games, but I don't. Except for the CFP, once the conference championships end, it's the NFL, NBA and Tiger hoops for me.

Not sure why you are slighting Norvell but he did a job no one has come close to doing in getting us to the Cotton Bowl.

I don’t take that as a slight at Norvell. Check out Nascar guys posts he’s the one slighting him the most because he lost to Iowa St and Wake Forest and 2 champ games to an unbeaten UCF

Saying Norvell "didn't care enough to hang around and coach the game" is a slight in my opinion compared to what Norvell accomplished. As for nascar guy just consider the source.

The only coach that stuck around for the bowl game was Scott Frost. Didn’t work out so well with him at Nebraska. Everyone else left. Fuente left as well. Had a skeleton coaching staff for the Legion Field bowl and then we had to protect Lynch so he would get drafted

(09-14-2023 11:21 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  that is your opinion. And you are welcome to it.
There are many of us who believe there is worth in a major bowl game.
You will never change my mind on that.

Sad that we have so many that cannot comprehend the concept of national image.

You need to get and keep your name out there.

Beating a P5 team in the access bowl will get your name out there.

You're more likely to be mentioned in national media if you win that bowl than if you lose.

(09-14-2023 01:04 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 11:21 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  that is your opinion. And you are welcome to it.
There are many of us who believe there is worth in a major bowl game.
You will never change my mind on that.

Sad that we have so many that cannot comprehend the concept of national image.

You need to get and keep your name out there.

Beating a P5 team in the access bowl will get your name out there.

You're more likely to be mentioned in national media if you win that bowl than if you lose.

right, like having a top flight major league team with Memphis across its jersey

(09-14-2023 01:10 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 01:04 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 11:21 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  that is your opinion. And you are welcome to it.
There are many of us who believe there is worth in a major bowl game.
You will never change my mind on that.

Sad that we have so many that cannot comprehend the concept of national image.

You need to get and keep your name out there.

Beating a P5 team in the access bowl will get your name out there.

You're more likely to be mentioned in national media if you win that bowl than if you lose.

right, like having a top flight major league team with Memphis across its jersey

So let’s see I should use common sense or agree with a poster that thinks Silverfield is a better coach than Norvell and that Pastner is a better coach than Penny ? I think the choice is clear lmao

(09-14-2023 01:19 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 01:10 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 01:04 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 11:21 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  that is your opinion. And you are welcome to it.
There are many of us who believe there is worth in a major bowl game.
You will never change my mind on that.

Sad that we have so many that cannot comprehend the concept of national image.

You need to get and keep your name out there.

Beating a P5 team in the access bowl will get your name out there.

You're more likely to be mentioned in national media if you win that bowl than if you lose.

right, like having a top flight major league team with Memphis across its jersey

So let’s see I should use common sense or agree with a poster that thinks Silverfield is a better coach than Norvell and that Pastner is a better coach than Penny ? I think the choice is clear lmao

Norvell is clearly better than Silverfield.

The jury is still out on the other comparison.

(09-14-2023 01:26 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 01:19 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 01:10 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 01:04 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 11:21 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  that is your opinion. And you are welcome to it.
There are many of us who believe there is worth in a major bowl game.
You will never change my mind on that.

Sad that we have so many that cannot comprehend the concept of national image.

You need to get and keep your name out there.

Beating a P5 team in the access bowl will get your name out there.

You're more likely to be mentioned in national media if you win that bowl than if you lose.

right, like having a top flight major league team with Memphis across its jersey

So let’s see I should use common sense or agree with a poster that thinks Silverfield is a better coach than Norvell and that Pastner is a better coach than Penny ? I think the choice is clear lmao

Norvell is clearly better than Silverfield.

The jury is still out on the other comparison.

I know you are a Penny hater too. But at least you kept your word

(09-14-2023 11:52 AM)fsquid Wrote:  we wouldn't sell out the LB if Christ himself was the head ball coach

we might finally get a home game with Notre Dame though...so never say never.