(09-13-2023 05:53 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:32 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:21 AM)Southaven Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 09:38 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:50 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  If you're at a school with an all time winning rate of .496 and you have a .667 season then 99.9% of those schools will give you an extension.


His ONLY post season win was AAC title game.

Silverfield's ONLY post season loss was with Norvell's last team.[/b]

This is certainly an example of isolating a specific stat to support a point.

Personally, I'll take a conference championship win over a bowl win any day.

His ONLY post season win was ACC title game. How many conference championship game wins do we have in football?

I'll take a conference title win on our home turf over 10 bowl games.

Bowl games are meaningless exhibitions that coaches and players don't even stick around for. An everybody gets a trophy exercise. When 82 teams make a bowl game, it tells you how unimportant bowl games are now.

Its a positive that we have better expectations, but the New Orleans Bowl with Deangelo was not meaningless. The Miami Beach Bowl against BYU was not meaningless. The Cotton Bowl was not meaningless.

I was in New Orleans, that was a lot of fun.

But since the playoff started, I just don't care about the other bowl games. It's an end of the year reward trip, and I hope the players, their families and the fans that go enjoy it. Like your example of the Cotton Bowl, our head coach didn't care enough to hang around and coach the game. If the head coach - the guy who should care more than anybody - doesn't care, why should I? The transfer portal has made them matter even less. And many top players don't play so they don't get hurt before the NFL draft.

It's fine if you still care about the 40 or so bowl games, but I don't. Except for the CFP, once the conference championships end, it's the NFL, NBA and Tiger hoops for me.

(09-13-2023 07:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 05:53 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:32 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:21 AM)Southaven Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 09:38 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  This is certainly an example of isolating a specific stat to support a point.

Personally, I'll take a conference championship win over a bowl win any day.

His ONLY post season win was ACC title game. How many conference championship game wins do we have in football?

I'll take a conference title win on our home turf over 10 bowl games.

Bowl games are meaningless exhibitions that coaches and players don't even stick around for. An everybody gets a trophy exercise. When 82 teams make a bowl game, it tells you how unimportant bowl games are now.

Its a positive that we have better expectations, but the New Orleans Bowl with Deangelo was not meaningless. The Miami Beach Bowl against BYU was not meaningless. The Cotton Bowl was not meaningless.

I was in New Orleans, that was a lot of fun.

But since the playoff started, I just don't care about the other bowl games. It's an end of the year reward trip, and I hope the players, their families and the fans that go enjoy it. Like your example of the Cotton Bowl, our head coach didn't care enough to hang around and coach the game. If the head coach - the guy who should care more than anybody - doesn't care, why should I? The transfer portal has made them matter even less. And many top players don't play so they don't get hurt before the NFL draft.

It's fine if you still care about the 40 or so bowl games, but I don't. Except for the CFP, once the conference championships end, it's the NFL, NBA and Tiger hoops for me.

Not sure why you are slighting Norvell but he did a job no one has come close to doing in getting us to the Cotton Bowl.

(09-13-2023 11:21 AM)Southaven Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 09:38 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:50 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:46 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Missouri, Boise, Tulane, SMU

3 at home, Missouri in StL

At this point all other opponents look Charmin soft.

Anything less than 10-2 would be bad.

He can literally lose all 4 of those, go 8-4 - and there are some on here that would be ready to extend his contract and throw him a parade...

If you're at a school with an all time winning rate of .496 and you have a .667 season then 99.9% of those schools will give you an extension.

You're not going to get another Norvell level coach to take this job.

So stop using him for a measuring stick.

Not a single coach in Memphis history would be able to match up.

Spook and Norvell are the only coaches that have stayed at Memphis over 3 years that have a better record.

And only 5 in the entire history of the program have a better record.

Here's another tidbit fir you Norvell NEVER won a bowl game at Memphis.

His ONLY post season win was AAC title game.

Silverfield's ONLY post season loss was with Norvell's last team.

This is certainly an example of isolating a specific stat to support a point.

Personally, I'll take a conference championship win over a bowl win any day.

His ONLY post season win was ACC title game. How many conference championship game wins do we have in football?

thus far, (and I LOVE Norvell....don't get me wrong), he's proving to be the Dallas Cowboys of college football.
Amazing season, get into the playoffs...craps the bed.
Hoping the future works out better for him.

(09-13-2023 07:17 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 05:53 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:32 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:21 AM)Southaven Wrote:  Personally, I'll take a conference championship win over a bowl win any day.

His ONLY post season win was ACC title game. How many conference championship game wins do we have in football?

I'll take a conference title win on our home turf over 10 bowl games.

Bowl games are meaningless exhibitions that coaches and players don't even stick around for. An everybody gets a trophy exercise. When 82 teams make a bowl game, it tells you how unimportant bowl games are now.

Its a positive that we have better expectations, but the New Orleans Bowl with Deangelo was not meaningless. The Miami Beach Bowl against BYU was not meaningless. The Cotton Bowl was not meaningless.

I was in New Orleans, that was a lot of fun.

But since the playoff started, I just don't care about the other bowl games. It's an end of the year reward trip, and I hope the players, their families and the fans that go enjoy it. Like your example of the Cotton Bowl, our head coach didn't care enough to hang around and coach the game. If the head coach - the guy who should care more than anybody - doesn't care, why should I? The transfer portal has made them matter even less. And many top players don't play so they don't get hurt before the NFL draft.

It's fine if you still care about the 40 or so bowl games, but I don't. Except for the CFP, once the conference championships end, it's the NFL, NBA and Tiger hoops for me.

Not sure why you are slighting Norvell but he did a job no one has come close to doing in getting us to the Cotton Bowl.

It's a statement of fact. And I don't blame Norvell. Like me, he doesn't care about meaningless bowl games. His decision made perfect sense.

Didn't we have one assistant coach on the Fuente staff get fired during a Memphis bowl game prep practice because he was on his cell phone recruiting for Virginia Tech?

(09-13-2023 07:27 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:17 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 05:53 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:32 AM)Tigx Wrote:  I'll take a conference title win on our home turf over 10 bowl games.

Bowl games are meaningless exhibitions that coaches and players don't even stick around for. An everybody gets a trophy exercise. When 82 teams make a bowl game, it tells you how unimportant bowl games are now.

Its a positive that we have better expectations, but the New Orleans Bowl with Deangelo was not meaningless. The Miami Beach Bowl against BYU was not meaningless. The Cotton Bowl was not meaningless.

I was in New Orleans, that was a lot of fun.

But since the playoff started, I just don't care about the other bowl games. It's an end of the year reward trip, and I hope the players, their families and the fans that go enjoy it. Like your example of the Cotton Bowl, our head coach didn't care enough to hang around and coach the game. If the head coach - the guy who should care more than anybody - doesn't care, why should I? The transfer portal has made them matter even less. And many top players don't play so they don't get hurt before the NFL draft.

It's fine if you still care about the 40 or so bowl games, but I don't. Except for the CFP, once the conference championships end, it's the NFL, NBA and Tiger hoops for me.

Not sure why you are slighting Norvell but he did a job no one has come close to doing in getting us to the Cotton Bowl.

It's a statement of fact. And I don't blame Norvell. Like me, he doesn't care about meaningless bowl games. His decision made perfect sense.

if Memphis had won the Cotton Bowl...it would have been far from meaningless. I daresay we wouldn't have left behind in the next round of realignment if we had.

Making odds and betting on a man's job is tactless

(09-13-2023 07:30 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:27 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:17 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 05:53 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  Its a positive that we have better expectations, but the New Orleans Bowl with Deangelo was not meaningless. The Miami Beach Bowl against BYU was not meaningless. The Cotton Bowl was not meaningless.

I was in New Orleans, that was a lot of fun.

But since the playoff started, I just don't care about the other bowl games. It's an end of the year reward trip, and I hope the players, their families and the fans that go enjoy it. Like your example of the Cotton Bowl, our head coach didn't care enough to hang around and coach the game. If the head coach - the guy who should care more than anybody - doesn't care, why should I? The transfer portal has made them matter even less. And many top players don't play so they don't get hurt before the NFL draft.

It's fine if you still care about the 40 or so bowl games, but I don't. Except for the CFP, once the conference championships end, it's the NFL, NBA and Tiger hoops for me.

Not sure why you are slighting Norvell but he did a job no one has come close to doing in getting us to the Cotton Bowl.

It's a statement of fact. And I don't blame Norvell. Like me, he doesn't care about meaningless bowl games. His decision made perfect sense.

if Memphis had won the Cotton Bowl...it would have been far from meaningless. I daresay we wouldn't have left behind in the next round of realignment if we had.

Come on, man. Winning or losing a bowl game has zero to do with our being left behind.

(09-13-2023 06:23 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:26 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:50 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:46 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Missouri, Boise, Tulane, SMU

3 at home, Missouri in StL

At this point all other opponents look Charmin soft.

Anything less than 10-2 would be bad.

He can literally lose all 4 of those, go 8-4 - and there are some on here that would be ready to extend his contract and throw him a parade...

If you're at a school with an all time winning rate of .496 and you have a .667 season then 99.9% of those schools will give you an extension.

You're not going to get another Norvell level coach to take this job.

So stop using him for a measuring stick.

Not a single coach in Memphis history would be able to match up.

Spook and Norvell are the only coaches that have stayed at Memphis over 3 years that have a better record.

And only 5 in the entire history of the program have a better record.

Here's another tidbit fir you Norvell NEVER won a bowl game at Memphis.

His ONLY post season win was AAC title game.

Silverfield's ONLY post season loss was with Norvell's last team.

What I said ONLY applies to this season.

It just sets up beautifully.

3-year starting junior at QB

EXTREMELY favorable schedule with zero 'tough' games as true road games.

He can drop 2 of Missouri, Boise (home), Tulane (home), and SMU (home) and go 10-2.

A boatload of injuries to key players including the QB would obviously change things.

Other years would be different and have to be evaluated on their own merits.

Trying to imply that the Missouri game is not a tough game because it’s not a true Road game shows at the very least a bias against our current coach

That's not what I said. I said zero tough games are true road games.

Tulane, SMU, and Boise are tough games but are at home.

Missouri is a tough game but is not a true home game for Missouri and it's not a true road game for the Tigers. I'm not buying into it's a neutral site game because it's not but it's not a home game for Missouri either.

Do you see how you misinterpreted and twisted the meaning of my words?

You either did it intentionally or your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

Which one was it?

(09-13-2023 12:17 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:36 AM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:50 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  You're not going to get another Norvell level coach to take this job.

We gave Norvell an opportunity to showcase what he could do. We may not get a Norvell level coach to come to Memphis, but I'm sure that the same search team that helped find Fuente and Norvell, can find another gem out there.

We when got Norvell he wasn’t a Norvell level coach. That’s the whole point lol

But we didn't fire a winning coach to hire either of them.

One we got after firing one of our worst coaches ever and the other after a winning coach took a bigger job.

Any coach with potential will not take the job if he sees that having one of the highest winning percentages in school history is not good enough to keep your job.

(09-13-2023 10:39 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 10:00 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:29 AM)fsquid Wrote:  He won't be fired if he wins 8 pre bowl.

He’s not getting fired until he has a losing season

Probably true.

But here is next year's non-conference home slate:

08/31 - North Alabama
09/07 - Troy
09/28 - Middle Tennessee

Add that to the poo poo platter of an AAC without SMU, Houston, Cincy and UCF, and whoever our conference home opponents are, our home schedule is going to blow chunks.

If season tickets sold fall under 10K, somebody has to take the fall.

You really need to research before posting.

If UCF had of beaten Tulane a second time in the AAC title game there was a better than even chance that Troy would have been the G5 representative in the access bowl.

(09-13-2023 08:01 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 10:39 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 10:00 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:29 AM)fsquid Wrote:  He won't be fired if he wins 8 pre bowl.

He’s not getting fired until he has a losing season

Probably true.

But here is next year's non-conference home slate:

08/31 - North Alabama
09/07 - Troy
09/28 - Middle Tennessee

Add that to the poo poo platter of an AAC without SMU, Houston, Cincy and UCF, and whoever our conference home opponents are, our home schedule is going to blow chunks.

If season tickets sold fall under 10K, somebody has to take the fall.

You really need to research before posting.

If UCF had of beaten Tulane a second time in the AAC title game there was a better than even chance that Troy would have been the G5 representative in the access bowl.

Nobody cares about Troy. Does anyone on this board even know their nickname?

You can bury your head in the sand about the sad state of our football schedules, doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

I am not saying that Silverfield is gone. I really hope he succeeds this year. But, if a change is needed, Eastman Beaudine of Plano, TX is the name to remember. That is the search firm that found us Fuente and I think they also found us Norvell. So, they hit two home runs for us. Here is a link to their website. You may enjoy the comments of Bob Beaudine in the video. https://www.eastman-beaudine.com/
They were the search firm that found Dion Sanders for the Univ of Colorado.

(09-13-2023 12:17 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:36 AM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:50 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  You're not going to get another Norvell level coach to take this job.

We gave Norvell an opportunity to showcase what he could do. We may not get a Norvell level coach to come to Memphis, but I'm sure that the same search team that helped find Fuente and Norvell, can find another gem out there.

We when got Norvell he wasn’t a Norvell level coach. That’s the whole point lol

That was my point too.

(09-13-2023 08:11 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  I am not saying that Silverfield is gone. I really hope he succeeds this year. But, if a change is needed, Eastman Beaudine of Plano, TX is the name to remember. That is the search firm that found us Fuente and I think they also found us Norvell. So, they hit two home runs for us. Here is a link to their website. You may enjoy the comments of Bob Beaudine in the video. https://www.eastman-beaudine.com/
They were the search firm that found Dion Sanders for the Univ of Colorado.

That's not much to say. Colorado had no expectations entering this year. They did, however, use Deion as a marketing tool to bolster their athletic program. Tickets sales will do its justice. They didn't know what they were going to get out of Deion from the football perspective. However, they 2-0 start is somewhat impressive (won't go overboard though), but they have Oregon and USC in a few weeks.

If Memphis got rid of Silverfield and hired Deion, we would've sold out the Liberty Bowl against Bethune-Cookman. We wouldn't know what we were going to get out on the field, but guess would be we would win the AAC knowing we had his two sons, the running back, the returner (that transferred from South Florida to Colorado), and Travis Hunter all transferring to Memphis.

Colorado had nothing to lose if they hired Deion. Playing with house money. Deion was going to leave Jackson, MS, just happened Colorado was the only "P5" school was going to hire him.

(09-13-2023 08:28 PM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 12:17 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:36 AM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:50 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  You're not going to get another Norvell level coach to take this job.

We gave Norvell an opportunity to showcase what he could do. We may not get a Norvell level coach to come to Memphis, but I'm sure that the same search team that helped find Fuente and Norvell, can find another gem out there.

We when got Norvell he wasn’t a Norvell level coach. That’s the whole point lol

That was my point too.

Nascar guy is on a roll tonight, lol.

Having hired a Norvell and a Fuente makes it easier to hire the next Norvell. Hot young coordinators see that a few successful seasons here can propel them to jobs at places like Florida State.

(09-13-2023 08:38 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:11 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  I am not saying that Silverfield is gone. I really hope he succeeds this year. But, if a change is needed, Eastman Beaudine of Plano, TX is the name to remember. That is the search firm that found us Fuente and I think they also found us Norvell. So, they hit two home runs for us. Here is a link to their website. You may enjoy the comments of Bob Beaudine in the video. https://www.eastman-beaudine.com/
They were the search firm that found Dion Sanders for the Univ of Colorado.

That's not much to say. Colorado had no expectations entering this year. They did, however, use Deion as a marketing tool to bolster their athletic program. Tickets sales will do its justice. They didn't know what they were going to get out of Deion from the football perspective. However, they 2-0 start is somewhat impressive (won't go overboard though), but they have Oregon and USC in a few weeks.

If Memphis got rid of Silverfield and hired Deion, we would've sold out the Liberty Bowl against Bethune-Cookman. We wouldn't know what we were going to get out on the field, but guess would be we would win the AAC knowing we had his two sons, the running back, the returner (that transferred from South Florida to Colorado), and Travis Hunter all transferring to Memphis.

Colorado had nothing to lose if they hired Deion. Playing with house money. Deion was going to leave Jackson, MS, just happened Colorado was the only "P5" school was going to hire him.

Of course, Dion would have been here two or three years and then off to a bigger paycheck somewhere else.

If RS can't play for the conference title he needs to be gone. He's had a losing conference record during his time here & has lost at least 4 games with big leads because he goes into run the clock, play not to loose mode. LV needs to be gone too for this sorry scheduling & because he said in a needless public statement that RS should be playing for conference championships - and RS had yet to do it

Hope this year he does but if not he should be gone.

GTG! See you at the stadium tomorrow night!

Scheduling in college football is tough, especially when conferences keep changing. Our reality right now is that we should be looking for 2 for 1's and even some 1 off buy games (where we're the ones paid) to make challenging schedules. Home and home's should be with teams on our level, middle to lower end P5's, and upper end G5's. We should not be going to Georgia St or ASU. Boise St is a good home and home. We can't guarantee the quality of their team in any particular year, but they can't either.

(09-13-2023 07:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 05:53 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:32 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:21 AM)Southaven Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 09:38 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  This is certainly an example of isolating a specific stat to support a point.

Personally, I'll take a conference championship win over a bowl win any day.

His ONLY post season win was ACC title game. How many conference championship game wins do we have in football?

I'll take a conference title win on our home turf over 10 bowl games.

Bowl games are meaningless exhibitions that coaches and players don't even stick around for. An everybody gets a trophy exercise. When 82 teams make a bowl game, it tells you how unimportant bowl games are now.

Its a positive that we have better expectations, but the New Orleans Bowl with Deangelo was not meaningless. The Miami Beach Bowl against BYU was not meaningless. The Cotton Bowl was not meaningless.

I was in New Orleans, that was a lot of fun.

But since the playoff started, I just don't care about the other bowl games. It's an end of the year reward trip, and I hope the players, their families and the fans that go enjoy it. Like your example of the Cotton Bowl, our head coach didn't care enough to hang around and coach the game. If the head coach - the guy who should care more than anybody - doesn't care, why should I? The transfer portal has made them matter even less. And many top players don't play so they don't get hurt before the NFL draft.

It's fine if you still care about the 40 or so bowl games, but I don't. Except for the CFP, once the conference championships end, it's the NFL, NBA and Tiger hoops for me.

Norvell offered to coach the game, his new employer would not allow it.
It had nothing to do with him not caring enough about it to do it.

(09-13-2023 07:27 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:17 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 07:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 05:53 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 11:32 AM)Tigx Wrote:  I'll take a conference title win on our home turf over 10 bowl games.

Bowl games are meaningless exhibitions that coaches and players don't even stick around for. An everybody gets a trophy exercise. When 82 teams make a bowl game, it tells you how unimportant bowl games are now.

Its a positive that we have better expectations, but the New Orleans Bowl with Deangelo was not meaningless. The Miami Beach Bowl against BYU was not meaningless. The Cotton Bowl was not meaningless.

I was in New Orleans, that was a lot of fun.

But since the playoff started, I just don't care about the other bowl games. It's an end of the year reward trip, and I hope the players, their families and the fans that go enjoy it. Like your example of the Cotton Bowl, our head coach didn't care enough to hang around and coach the game. If the head coach - the guy who should care more than anybody - doesn't care, why should I? The transfer portal has made them matter even less. And many top players don't play so they don't get hurt before the NFL draft.

It's fine if you still care about the 40 or so bowl games, but I don't. Except for the CFP, once the conference championships end, it's the NFL, NBA and Tiger hoops for me.

Not sure why you are slighting Norvell but he did a job no one has come close to doing in getting us to the Cotton Bowl.

It's a statement of fact. And I don't blame Norvell. Like me, he doesn't care about meaningless bowl games. His decision made perfect sense.

Didn't we have one assistant coach on the Fuente staff get fired during a Memphis bowl game prep practice because he was on his cell phone recruiting for Virginia Tech?

heard he was recruiting Memphis players or something like that.
Griffin would know.