(09-11-2023 10:28 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  That place is glorified HS stadium. What are y'all smoking?

It's 50 years old. When I was a junior there they started pledges from students, donors and corporations to build a new stadium which they did I think around 1975?

It has been expanded a couple of times but is getting dated. And it's theirs.

(09-12-2023 12:20 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 10:28 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  That place is glorified HS stadium. What are y'all smoking?

It's 50 years old. When I was a junior there they started pledges from students, donors and corporations to build a new stadium which they did I think around 1975?

It has been expanded a couple of times but is getting dated. And it's theirs.

So the school gets to keep ALL gameday revenue for tickets sold, parking, and concessions? What a concept.

(09-11-2023 06:03 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 04:46 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 04:35 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Wishing to have this as an on campus stadium over Liberty Stadium shows how ignorant so many of the OCS only crowd is.

It really is ridiculous

We’re so much better off with 35k empty seats in a sterile concrete mausoleum…

you are correct that a municipal stadium 2 miles from campus that is also used by The Liberty Bowl, Southern Heritage Classic, and USFL is better for the UofM over adding a few hundred million in debt to the books for a campus stadium which wouldn't even really be truly 'on campus' as it would be put at the South Campus.

(09-13-2023 08:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 06:03 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 04:46 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 04:35 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Wishing to have this as an on campus stadium over Liberty Stadium shows how ignorant so many of the OCS only crowd is.

It really is ridiculous

We’re so much better off with 35k empty seats in a sterile concrete mausoleum…

you are correct that a municipal stadium 2 miles from campus that is also used by The Liberty Bowl, Southern Heritage Classic, and USFL is better for the UofM over adding a few hundred million in debt to the books for a campus stadium which wouldn't even really be truly 'on campus' as it would be put at the South Campus.

An OCS could be located on the main campus.

The needs of one time events like the SHC & the Liberty Bowl do not align with the needs of the Memphis football program.

An OCS would generate more revenue for the university than an oversized, municipal stadium & would pay for itself over time.

That being said, the university opted for more of the same & is expecting different results. Perhaps, they’re right this time. They haven’t been yet.

(09-14-2023 07:25 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 06:03 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 04:46 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 04:35 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Wishing to have this as an on campus stadium over Liberty Stadium shows how ignorant so many of the OCS only crowd is.

It really is ridiculous

We’re so much better off with 35k empty seats in a sterile concrete mausoleum…

you are correct that a municipal stadium 2 miles from campus that is also used by The Liberty Bowl, Southern Heritage Classic, and USFL is better for the UofM over adding a few hundred million in debt to the books for a campus stadium which wouldn't even really be truly 'on campus' as it would be put at the South Campus.

An OCS could be located on the main campus.

The needs of one time events like the SHC & the Liberty Bowl do not align with the needs of the Memphis football program.

An OCS would generate more revenue for the university than an oversized, municipal stadium & would pay for itself over time.

That being said, the university opted for more of the same & is expecting different results. Perhaps, they’re right this time. They haven’t been yet.

The location of the LB isn't really the main problem IMO. It's close enough to main campus where you could do some infrastructure type things to make it feel more integrated. My main gripe is its just too big and old. Main issue being the size. Hopefully the reno will solve a lot of that problem. Due to the size there is zero scarcity for tickets because everyone knows you can roll up on gameday and buy a whole row if you want. Hell, even when we were rolling under Norvell/Fuente except for maybe a few games you could get as many tickets as you wanted on gameday.

I agree that the LB is fine and TL is really a 10/10. If an OCS is out of the question (which I think is the case) I hope the school focuses on trying to integrate the LB/fairgrounds athletic complex into having a more on-campus feel. If that's by putting some academic presence over there (schools of sports/leisure management, kinesiology, etc.) or student housing I think would help. It'd probably be out of the school's hands but a light rail system down Southern connecting to the two (and eventually south campus) would be a great thing too.

(09-12-2023 12:17 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 09:26 AM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 09:35 AM)grapes Wrote:  It gave me high school vibes.

When putting into perspective with the liberty bowl, it really makes you realize how big our stadium is.

With one of the best home field winning percentages in the G5 I assume the allure and atmosphere of our big sexy really has helped us.

It rivals the better new Texas High School stadiums.

And of course, just like clockwork, the pigs show up to sling their crap. Much like the Vol fans.

It's the #$%&ing truth. Around 30 % of my degree credit hours came from ASU. I have no animosity toward the school just some lunatic fans. Their wet dream comes true in 2025 in the real dumpster fire of a stadium in Little Rock.

(09-14-2023 07:25 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 06:03 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 04:46 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 04:35 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Wishing to have this as an on campus stadium over Liberty Stadium shows how ignorant so many of the OCS only crowd is.

It really is ridiculous

We’re so much better off with 35k empty seats in a sterile concrete mausoleum…

you are correct that a municipal stadium 2 miles from campus that is also used by The Liberty Bowl, Southern Heritage Classic, and USFL is better for the UofM over adding a few hundred million in debt to the books for a campus stadium which wouldn't even really be truly 'on campus' as it would be put at the South Campus.

An OCS could be located on the main campus.

The needs of one time events like the SHC & the Liberty Bowl do not align with the needs of the Memphis football program.

An OCS would generate more revenue for the university than an oversized, municipal stadium & would pay for itself over time.

That being said, the university opted for more of the same & is expecting different results. Perhaps, they’re right this time. They haven’t been yet.

That's the kind of thing that ends up in a signature! We'll said.

(09-11-2023 03:13 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  My guess would be around 3000-5000 Tiger fans. Unless you're looking in Texas or Georgia, ASU's stadium was way nicer than any high school stadium. Like I said the concessions weren't great, but last time the Tigers played at Neyland I remember buying a hot dog and coke from a lady at a fold out card table.

One thing that stood out was the feel of the crowd. 19000 people in a 30000 seat stadium felt mostly full. The waterfalls and open green spaces helped.

Did we travel our band?

(09-18-2023 10:12 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 03:13 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  My guess would be around 3000-5000 Tiger fans. Unless you're looking in Texas or Georgia, ASU's stadium was way nicer than any high school stadium. Like I said the concessions weren't great, but last time the Tigers played at Neyland I remember buying a hot dog and coke from a lady at a fold out card table.

One thing that stood out was the feel of the crowd. 19000 people in a 30000 seat stadium felt mostly full. The waterfalls and open green spaces helped.

Did we travel our band?

nope, I think the only road game they are doing is Mizzou.

(09-14-2023 01:59 PM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 12:17 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 09:26 AM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 09:35 AM)grapes Wrote:  It gave me high school vibes.

When putting into perspective with the liberty bowl, it really makes you realize how big our stadium is.

With one of the best home field winning percentages in the G5 I assume the allure and atmosphere of our big sexy really has helped us.

It rivals the better new Texas High School stadiums.

And of course, just like clockwork, the pigs show up to sling their crap. Much like the Vol fans.

It's the #$%&ing truth. Around 30 % of my degree credit hours came from ASU. I have no animosity toward the school just some lunatic fans. Their wet dream comes true in 2025 in the real dumpster fire of a stadium in Little Rock.

Have you ever heard a Razorback fan complain about War Memorial Stadium? for decades it was THE place for Razorback games. It's a place to sit and watch a ball game, no one cares about amenities.

The University of Arkansas has moved all of their home games but one (instate non-conference) out of Little Rock. They lose too much money playing home games in the smaller facility with fewer amenities.

The difference between the two stadiums is drastic.

(09-12-2023 12:46 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 12:20 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 10:28 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  That place is glorified HS stadium. What are y'all smoking?

It's 50 years old. When I was a junior there they started pledges from students, donors and corporations to build a new stadium which they did I think around 1975?

It has been expanded a couple of times but is getting dated. And it's theirs.

So the school gets to keep ALL gameday revenue for tickets sold, parking, and concessions? What a concept.

But the school also has to pay the cost to generate those revenues.

Elves do not show up in the middle of the night and refill all the concessions.

There is no robot vacuum able to clean and pick up trash at the stadiums.

Since slavery ended in the 1860s you will need to pay all these people involved.

All it takes is one bad week to wipe out the profit margin.

Every month I would look at the company books at the end of the month and see those big fat numbers.

Then the first of the next month rolled around and started paying the bills.

Those fat numbers became skinny very quickly.

(09-14-2023 07:25 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 06:03 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 04:46 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 04:35 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Wishing to have this as an on campus stadium over Liberty Stadium shows how ignorant so many of the OCS only crowd is.

It really is ridiculous

We’re so much better off with 35k empty seats in a sterile concrete mausoleum…

you are correct that a municipal stadium 2 miles from campus that is also used by The Liberty Bowl, Southern Heritage Classic, and USFL is better for the UofM over adding a few hundred million in debt to the books for a campus stadium which wouldn't even really be truly 'on campus' as it would be put at the South Campus.

An OCS could be located on the main campus.

The needs of one time events like the SHC & the Liberty Bowl do not align with the needs of the Memphis football program.

An OCS would generate more revenue for the university than an oversized, municipal stadium & would pay for itself over time.

That being said, the university opted for more of the same & is expecting different results. Perhaps, they’re right this time. They haven’t been yet.

SBLS operates at a loss every year with 5 paying tenants.

The city covers the losses with tax revenues generated by people spending money in the area for the games.

An OCS would have the same cost of operation, without paying tenants and without taxing authority.

You're adding negative cash flow to the athletic budget.

And remember stadium upkeep is performed by city workers who also do work on other government properties.

The U of M would have to hire extra workers to work at the stadium

(09-19-2023 11:12 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 07:25 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 06:03 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 04:46 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  It really is ridiculous

We’re so much better off with 35k empty seats in a sterile concrete mausoleum…

you are correct that a municipal stadium 2 miles from campus that is also used by The Liberty Bowl, Southern Heritage Classic, and USFL is better for the UofM over adding a few hundred million in debt to the books for a campus stadium which wouldn't even really be truly 'on campus' as it would be put at the South Campus.

An OCS could be located on the main campus.

The needs of one time events like the SHC & the Liberty Bowl do not align with the needs of the Memphis football program.

An OCS would generate more revenue for the university than an oversized, municipal stadium & would pay for itself over time.

That being said, the university opted for more of the same & is expecting different results. Perhaps, they’re right this time. They haven’t been yet.

SBLS operates at a loss every year with 5 paying tenants.

The city covers the losses with tax revenues generated by people spending money in the area for the games.

An OCS would have the same cost of operation, without paying tenants and without taxing authority.

You're adding negative cash flow to the athletic budget.

And remember stadium upkeep is performed by city workers who also do work on other government properties.

The U of M would have to hire extra workers to work at the stadium

I know its all a moot point / hypothetical discussion, but I would think parking garages/parking lots, concessions, outside concessions like the UC and Tiger Den, Tiger lane type tailgating spots on campus for rent, ticket sales, game sponsorships like at the Levitt Shell, and other opportunities could at least help offset the costs. And the U of M does have a custodial dept and landscaping dept on campus that could take care of most upkeep. The benefits of having students be able to walk to games and bringing alumni, fans, and opposing fans on campus have already been discussed

(09-19-2023 12:39 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 11:12 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2023 07:25 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 06:03 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We’re so much better off with 35k empty seats in a sterile concrete mausoleum…

you are correct that a municipal stadium 2 miles from campus that is also used by The Liberty Bowl, Southern Heritage Classic, and USFL is better for the UofM over adding a few hundred million in debt to the books for a campus stadium which wouldn't even really be truly 'on campus' as it would be put at the South Campus.

An OCS could be located on the main campus.

The needs of one time events like the SHC & the Liberty Bowl do not align with the needs of the Memphis football program.

An OCS would generate more revenue for the university than an oversized, municipal stadium & would pay for itself over time.

That being said, the university opted for more of the same & is expecting different results. Perhaps, they’re right this time. They haven’t been yet.

SBLS operates at a loss every year with 5 paying tenants.

The city covers the losses with tax revenues generated by people spending money in the area for the games.

An OCS would have the same cost of operation, without paying tenants and without taxing authority.

You're adding negative cash flow to the athletic budget.

And remember stadium upkeep is performed by city workers who also do work on other government properties.

The U of M would have to hire extra workers to work at the stadium

I know its all a moot point / hypothetical discussion, but I would think parking garages/parking lots, concessions, outside concessions like the UC and Tiger Den, Tiger lane type tailgating spots on campus for rent, ticket sales, game sponsorships like at the Levitt Shell, and other opportunities could at least help offset the costs. And the U of M does have a custodial dept and landscaping dept on campus that could take care of most upkeep. The benefits of having students be able to walk to games and bringing alumni, fans, and opposing fans on campus have already been discussed

We went to a weekend baseball series in Starkville a few years back… the student union was packed… the bookstore crowded & people were spending money all weekend long on jerseys, food, parking etc. I wonder if the school realizes how stupid they are for taking on that debt & not playing in a rental?

If you think the University would cash flow more money on an OCS than the LB you are not good at math

The upside for an OCS is the possibility that bringing people to campus will enhance the student experience and make students into supporting alums and that coming back to campus will make Alums more likely to give bigger donations to the University (Sports and Academic)

There is NO WAY you can cash flow a football stadium when a viable alternative costs next to nothing to "rent"

Why in the world would the University of Arkansas move all of their consequential games to Fayetteville? Lord knows the city of LR would have built them a palace in Little Rock? Same for Ole Miss & Mississippi State who used to play their big games in Jackson. Certainly, the bottom line must have been better in the municipal facilities.

30-40k people on campus 6-7 times a year would be a tremendous opportunity for the university.

(09-19-2023 10:34 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 12:46 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 12:20 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 10:28 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  That place is glorified HS stadium. What are y'all smoking?

It's 50 years old. When I was a junior there they started pledges from students, donors and corporations to build a new stadium which they did I think around 1975?

It has been expanded a couple of times but is getting dated. And it's theirs.

So the school gets to keep ALL gameday revenue for tickets sold, parking, and concessions? What a concept.

But the school also has to pay the cost to generate those revenues.

Elves do not show up in the middle of the night and refill all the concessions.

There is no robot vacuum able to clean and pick up trash at the stadiums.

Since slavery ended in the 1860s you will need to pay all these people involved.

All it takes is one bad week to wipe out the profit margin.

Every month I would look at the company books at the end of the month and see those big fat numbers.

Then the first of the next month rolled around and started paying the bills.

Those fat numbers became skinny very quickly.

Same as any business.