I would look for Sean Lewis to be a top candidate to replace Tucker beginning next season.

When you masturbate on Zoom bad things happen. Call Toobin-it.

(09-10-2023 03:04 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  When you masturbate on Zoom bad things happen. Call Toobin-it.

I hope that load was euphoric because it was a $100 million load.

So McMurphy wrong. not fired but...

A new report is saying he's suspended with pay until Title IX investigation concludes. In either case, MSU is undoubtedly looking for a new HC this winter. Absolutely wild.

Dantonio is also reportedly returning as an assistant to help in the near term.

Tucker is insanely foolish. I mean, with the sexual assault prevention advocate??!! MSU was already looking for an excuse to move on, and he sure gave it to them.

(09-10-2023 04:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

They dug hard enough until they found something they could use to get out of that contract. Par for the course with these long term contracts. Auburn tried really hard to fire Harsin for cause but couldn't make anything stick. I'm sure my Aggies have a whole team digging up stuff on Jimbo right now, too. If USC falters this year then we know they'll do the same to Riley.

Just what MSU needed after the Larry Nassar crimes. What's going on with the culture in East Lansing? Mel Tucker was given way too much money to begin with IMO. No matter, this will set the program back.

(09-10-2023 06:23 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Just what MSU needed after the Larry Nassar crimes. What's going on with the culture in East Lansing? Mel Tucker was given way too much money to begin with IMO. No matter, this will set the program back.

It’ll set them a lot less far back if it terminates (for cause) the contract.

(09-10-2023 07:27 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 06:23 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Just what MSU needed after the Larry Nassar crimes. What's going on with the culture in East Lansing? Mel Tucker was given way too much money to begin with IMO. No matter, this will set the program back.

It’ll set them a lot less far back if it terminates (for cause) the contract.

Yeah, the program's been spinning wheels since that hot start in 2021. 10-9 since that College Gameday Battle of the Undefeateds win over Michigan.

The folks at Michigan St were not confident this was turning around.

(09-10-2023 06:20 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 04:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

They dug hard enough until they found something they could use to get out of that contract. Par for the course with these long term contracts. Auburn tried really hard to fire Harsin for cause but couldn't make anything stick. I'm sure my Aggies have a whole team digging up stuff on Jimbo right now, too. If USC falters this year then we know they'll do the same to Riley.

Ah, yes. It was the "broken system." Not that Tucker was an idiot and a creep.

So, the original complaint was submitted in late December of last year? Too bad it took this long to get the facts out.

No matter how you spin this it isn't a good look for the university.

Quote:Michigan State coach Mel Tucker was suspended without pay Sunday following the publication of an investigation into a sexual harassment complaint against him by a prominent rape survivor and activist.

MSU athletic director Alan Haller announced the suspension in a Sunday afternoon news conference. He said secondary coach Harlon Barnett will serve as interim head coach, and Mark Dantonio, Michigan State's former head coach, has been named an associate head coach.

Haller, who said he learned of the complaint in late December and MSU accepted an outside investigator's report on the allegations on July 25, did not disclose what changed since Tucker coached the team Saturday afternoon to prompt the unpaid suspension.

There were “new developments," Haller said. “We’re always evaluating."

The revelations marked a stunning turn for a university that has struggled to overcome complaints that it failed to correct a lax culture toward sexual harassment and assault that contributed to Dr. Larry Nassar sexually assaulting more than 150 patients while he was an osteopathic sports physician at MSU.

MSU interim President Teresa Woodruff argued the measures taken Sunday were proof the university is taking Title IX complaints more seriously, a notion promptly discounted by activists.

“This morning’s news might have sounded like the MSU of old,” Woodruff said. “It was not. It is not because an independent, unbiased investigation is and continues to be conducted.”

In the report published by USA Today early Sunday morning, just hours after Michigan State’s victory over Richmond in the second game of the season, Tucker is alleged to have made sexually suggestive comments during a phone call with the woman, Brenda Tracy, while masturbating during the conversation.

Tracy, who reported being gang raped Oregon State University football players in 1998, has become a nationally known and honored advocate combatting violence and sexual assault on campuses across the country. According to the report, Tracy made multiple visits to Michigan State beginning in 2021, twice to meet with the team and once as honorary captain before the 2022 spring game.

"The idea that someone could know me and say they understand my trauma but then re-inflict that trauma on me is so disgusting to me, it's hard for me to even wrap my mind around it," Tracy said in the report. "It's like he sought me out just to betray me."

Tucker, in statements provided to the Title IX investigator, acknowledged that the phone call occurred; however, he claimed it was a consensual encounter, according to the report.

"Ms. Tracy's distortion of our mutually consensual and intimate relationship into allegations of sexual exploitations has really affected me," Tucker wrote in documents obtained by the newspaper. "I am not proud of my judgment, and I am having difficulty forgiving myself for getting into this situation, but I did not engage in misconduct by any definition."

The Detroit News

Not a Sparty fan, but sad to see. So much bad in this world.

(09-10-2023 06:23 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Just what MSU needed after the Larry Nassar crimes. What's going on with the culture in East Lansing? Mel Tucker was given way too much money to begin with IMO. No matter, this will set the program back.

They're a top-tier P5. Not enough people w/ pockets for the school will care to set them back.

(09-10-2023 07:45 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 06:20 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 04:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

They dug hard enough until they found something they could use to get out of that contract. Par for the course with these long term contracts. Auburn tried really hard to fire Harsin for cause but couldn't make anything stick. I'm sure my Aggies have a whole team digging up stuff on Jimbo right now, too. If USC falters this year then we know they'll do the same to Riley.

Ah, yes. It was the "broken system." Not that Tucker was an idiot and a creep.

Considering that the alleged behavior happened 2 years ago...you tell me. If the girl had a problem with it over an 18 month period then she knows how to contact the media herself. It didn't become a "story" until it was clear to the powers that be at MSU that Tucker needed to go. Perhaps they knew about it 18 months ago and kept her on a very large retainer to keep quiet temporarily. Perhaps they found out 6 weeks ago and immediately launched an investigation. It's even possible that they had no idea and this gift horse that can save them $80m just landed squarely in their lap. But that's an awfully large coincidence.

Is Tucker an idiot for ever thinking that sort of behavior was ok, especially with someone with her past? Um...no question he should be fired for being a freaking moron. However, what's happening to him now is character assassination, it happens to every coach with a big contract who finds himself on the hot seat. Tucker just made the assassination a whole lot easier.

(09-10-2023 08:38 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Not a Sparty fan, but sad to see. So much bad in this world.

(09-10-2023 06:23 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Just what MSU needed after the Larry Nassar crimes. What's going on with the culture in East Lansing? Mel Tucker was given way too much money to begin with IMO. No matter, this will set the program back.

They're a top-tier P5. Not enough people w/ pockets for the school will care to set them back.

Yeah, it won't set them back one bit. Rather, it will give them a lot more $$ to throw at the next coach.

To those of you who think....meh, this is no big deal. Just throw more money at another coach and everything will be fine...

Quote:So, as the Spartans flew out to the Pacific Northwest to face the Huskies late last summer, they couldn’t have foreseen all that would unfold: A protracted decline that began with a loss in Seattle that weekend, an ugly melee in the aftermath of a defeat to rival Michigan six weeks after that, the defections of two productive starters to Power Five programs this past spring and, then, on Sunday, the shocking suspension of Tucker following a sexual harassment claim detailed in a USA TODAY investigation. Now, as MSU once again readies to face Washington, the hope that once existed has been replaced with existential dread.

No longer are MSU’s supporters just worried about what may happen Saturday against a top-10 team reborn under an innovative coach, Kalen DeBoer, and a spectacularly talented quarterback, Michael Penix Jr. Now, their aperture of concern widens to its absolute limits, as they contemplate the long-term outlook of a program whose trajectory was already trending downward.

To that point, Year 4 of Tucker’s regime began with nagging doubts, even before scandal placed it on the brink of collapse.

The Spartans, after all, still feel the effects of their costly regression last fall, when Tucker and MSU squandered the mojo accumulated during 2021's remarkable rise. A corrosive combination of injuries, coaching mistakes, defensive lapses and barren stat lines from the running backs charged with replacing star transfer Kenneth Walker III dissolved the buzz along Shaw Lane, as did MSU's 5-7 record.

Recruiting, which was supposed to be Tucker’s calling card, suffered as a result. After attracting interest from a handful of elite prospects, he landed only one — defensive lineman Bai Jobe — rated among the top 100 players in the 2023 class. The Spartans have performed even worse on the trail this cycle. Their 2024 class is ranked 49th in the country and slotted in the bottom half of the Big Ten. In a roundabout way last month, Tucker told the Lansing State Journal the lack of funding in name, image and likeness opportunities for MSU athletes interfered with his ability to acquire talent and contend for championships. His comments immediately drew strong rebukes, considering millions had already been allocated toward his contract and an upgraded football complex that now features a resplendent locker room meant to woo the types of players he coveted.

But now those remarks, half-baked as they may have been, seem trivial in the context of what has transpired since.

MSU no longer needs to just think about competing with the traditional powers of the sport. Rather, it must formulate a plan to stay afloat for the foreseeable future as it tries to find a way out of these troubled waters. Tucker assistant Harlon Barnett and former head coach Mark Dantonio, two Spartan loyalists, will steer the ship in the interim. But the journey through this crisis will remain perilous.

The Big Ten is expanding to 18 schools in 2024. The challenge of navigating this fraught situation becomes even tougher, knowing what soon could await the Spartans on the field.

Among the four new conference members MSU will encounter, of course, is Washington — a revitalized program that offers a painful reminder of how far the Spartans and Tucker have fallen in the past year. Nothing has been the same since the Huskies whipped Tucker’s team on that September afternoon in Seattle.

Instead, things have continued to fall apart, to the point that the MSU program Washington faced last year is now unrecognizable — blown to bits after Tucker, the architect of it all, unwittingly pressed the detonator.

Detroit Free Press

(09-10-2023 06:20 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  They dug hard enough until they found something they could use to get out of that contract. Par for the course with these long term contracts.
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This is the kind of hot take that makes it inadvisable to post hot takes.

Rest assured: Michigan State did not want, and does not need, this kind of problem.