(09-11-2023 01:18 PM)gwelymernans Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 01:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  Really stupid.

On the other hand, his attorney does have a good question. How can Michigan St. use university rules (which are tilted against the accused) in a personal relationship? Note that this is not just a review of a coaches conduct, but a Title IX investigation.
And did he try to repeat it? Did she tell him no when he was doing it? She didn't hang up.

According to her she froze up... this is a common PTSD symptom regardless of what the trauma or trigger is. It's no less believable that a sexual assault survivor would shell up over sexual harrassment than that a veteran would shell up upon hearing fireworks. If you've never had PTSD, the central nervous system and fight-or-flight hormones aren't a voluntary response (by definition, biologically speaking), and it's like being trapped w/o agency in a body that is on some weird autopilot and it's abjectly horrifying.

That makes sense. Of course, that could also lead him to believe she was fine with it.

He is fired.

(09-11-2023 02:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 01:18 PM)gwelymernans Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 01:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  Really stupid.

On the other hand, his attorney does have a good question. How can Michigan St. use university rules (which are tilted against the accused) in a personal relationship? Note that this is not just a review of a coaches conduct, but a Title IX investigation.
And did he try to repeat it? Did she tell him no when he was doing it? She didn't hang up.

According to her she froze up... this is a common PTSD symptom regardless of what the trauma or trigger is. It's no less believable that a sexual assault survivor would shell up over sexual harrassment than that a veteran would shell up upon hearing fireworks. If you've never had PTSD, the central nervous system and fight-or-flight hormones aren't a voluntary response (by definition, biologically speaking), and it's like being trapped w/o agency in a body that is on some weird autopilot and it's abjectly horrifying.

That makes sense. Of course, that could also lead him to believe she was fine with it.

As dumb as Tucker was for starting this relationship, or whatever it was, up in the first place, I think that it's really important to consider a couple of things here:

1. Tucker knew about her past. How likely would anybody, especially a highly respected football coach, be to proceed to sexually harass someone who had been through that in the past, then tell investigators that the call actually happened but she was ok with it? I mean, I know that guy's an idiot, but this narrative that he somehow trapped her on a phone call then proceeded to masturbate while she was so frozen up in shock that she couldn't find the "end call" button is hard to believe. Was he masturbating on the phone call in an attempt to woo her? Anybody who doesn't have a kneejerk "he's guilty until proven innocent" reaction to any sexual assault claim would at least ask some questions about how things actually proceeded. Unless...

2. MSU knew by the end of last season that Tucker needed to go, but they had a problem with his contract. It was just way too large, and the buyout would crimp their ability to replace him with a quality coach. How could they find a way to get out of that contract? Wait, Tucker had a relationship with somebody, a sexual assault survivor you say, and she works for the University? It's like MSU got stuck with the worst shed in town, on the outskirts, away from everything, barely even a dirt path to get to the front door, then they found $80m worth of gold in the basement. Unlikely doesn't begin to describe it.

If Tucker was 16-3 instead of 10-9 over his past 19 games, the girl would have gotten a payoff and it would have gone away. And that's the most charitable way to look at this whole sordid situation. I personally think that it's far more likely that they dated, had some phone sex, things didn't work out, perhaps he was a bit mean to her, perhaps he cheated on her, I dunno, but she decided to get some revenge. And MSU had a very strong incentive to help her get her revenge, then leaked one detail of the investigation but nothing else, in an attempt to assassinate Tucker's character. Heck, I don't even blame them, as I stated yesterday, this sort of thing is par for the course with these super high dollar contracts when things go sour.

I wonder if part of the reason that Kiffin stayed at Ole Miss last year was that he knew he'd never pass a character test and wouldn't get paid $10m a year for 10 years if he got fired, anyway? It doesn't seem all that far fetched to me.

Spartan here.
I think Mel has to have been crazy to pursue any kind of relationship with a women with this background. If I recall correctly Mel is a married man. Nevertheless if he chose to go down this path, I find it hard to believe that he would grease his hog on the phone with her unless there was some kind of encouragement from her end. Most guys don't just start masterbating while on a legitimate business call. Similarly to others, my thoughts would be if she didn't appreciate his activities or conversation she should just simply hang up.

As others have suggested, the thought has crossed my mind that she could have been pursuing him for some reason. Was she being influenced by other business partners? I don't know the answer to that.

I have read that some of Mel's facts don't add up very well.

My understanding is that this occurred on a business trip paid for by the university. In that situation i believe that he is subject to their oversight. This lady also has a business relationship with the university.

I did read that MSU was letting this proceed with a regular investigation and trying to be unbiased against either party. The final hearing or whatever was set to occur in october 2023. According to what I read, the AD and President were not aware of the details of the case until the report came out on Sunday in the paper. Once the details were public they took the action of suspending him until the October hearing. Seems legit to me.

Is this some giant plot to get Mel out of his contract? maybe .. maybe not.

I guess we have to keep in mind that the human brain always looks for patterns and tries to link things together whether related or not.

Time will tell.