(09-06-2023 05:35 AM)KATatonic Wrote:  

(09-05-2023 08:21 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(09-04-2023 09:59 PM)Kyle-from-LaGrange Wrote:  Do not take this in a negative way anybody, so I’m sure somebody will and I understand. But serious question. With the money Liberty has do you think your administration would ever propose a deal like SMU did with the ACC with the American? And yes, I know the American isn’t the ACC..

If Georgia State and/or Texas State joins the American, I would not want to join. The AAC would be down graded and the SBC will be better than the AAC. If I was UL, I would stay in CUSA or try to join the SBC at that point. The AAC is not the same now let alone if Georgia State or Texas State join. The AAC TV contract would be 2M if that happened.

Did you see what Texas State did to Baylor in Waco? That school, with their location and large enrollment, is a sleeping giant. They just need some vision and leadership at the top.

It’s Baylor. Not UT or A&M. Not even TCU or Houston. Baylor…

Texas State has been sawing logs in hibernation since 2005. They’ve always big money, big fanbase relative to both of their D1 conferences for the past 30 years. Not much to show for it. They should make a bowl game.

Kinne is a great coach. We knew that. We’ll see how long he sticks around for.

Move this to the realignment board

(09-06-2023 07:47 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  Kinne is an amazing coach based on what we have recently seen. And I agree that Texas State has the potential to be perhaps the strongest G5 player in the Lone Star State.

As for Liberty, the numbers for both exiting CUSA and foregoing AAC payments are relatively small. That's why I suggested that it makes economic sense. We also are one of only a handful of schools with the resources to be competitive against existing AAC programs moving forward.

As for Liberty and the SBC, that ship has sailed. The schools in the Belt want nothing to do with us for multiple reasons not the least of which is our spending power as a private school. Liberty will not be entering the Belt unless the entire Non-P2 world comes crashing down.

When you get a chance chart the schools in the ACC with fb wins over a 5, 7 and 10 year period. Do the same for basketball.

Next do the same for 4 of the lower budget teams (USM, TECH, Western, Marshall)that played in CUSA. I believe what you will see is not only did those low budget complete but for the most part are near or at the top in wins.

Budgets are not apple to apple and some schools count debt different. Some adds building cost to their AD budget. For others it general funds. Some counts retirement cost in their AD funds. Some it comes out of the general funds budget. Scholarship cost are not the same and can add millions to a budget.

In the end the money spent on football or on basketball are very similar

(09-06-2023 05:35 AM)KATatonic Wrote:  

(09-05-2023 08:21 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(09-04-2023 09:59 PM)Kyle-from-LaGrange Wrote:  Do not take this in a negative way anybody, so I’m sure somebody will and I understand. But serious question. With the money Liberty has do you think your administration would ever propose a deal like SMU did with the ACC with the American? And yes, I know the American isn’t the ACC..

If Georgia State and/or Texas State joins the American, I would not want to join. The AAC would be down graded and the SBC will be better than the AAC. If I was UL, I would stay in CUSA or try to join the SBC at that point. The AAC is not the same now let alone if Georgia State or Texas State join. The AAC TV contract would be 2M if that happened.

Did you see what Texas State did to Baylor in Waco? That school, with their location and large enrollment, is a sleeping giant. They just need some vision and leadership at the top.

Did you see what FIU did to Miami in 2019? That school, with their location and large enrollment, is a sleeping giant. They just need some vision and leadership at the top.....

since that win FIU won 5 total games over 3 seasons and the previous 8 seasons Texas St won....

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(09-08-2023 05:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 07:47 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  Kinne is an amazing coach based on what we have recently seen. And I agree that Texas State has the potential to be perhaps the strongest G5 player in the Lone Star State.

As for Liberty, the numbers for both exiting CUSA and foregoing AAC payments are relatively small. That's why I suggested that it makes economic sense. We also are one of only a handful of schools with the resources to be competitive against existing AAC programs moving forward.

As for Liberty and the SBC, that ship has sailed. The schools in the Belt want nothing to do with us for multiple reasons not the least of which is our spending power as a private school. Liberty will not be entering the Belt unless the entire Non-P2 world comes crashing down.

When you get a chance chart the schools in the ACC with fb wins over a 5, 7 and 10 year period. Do the same for basketball.

Next do the same for 4 of the lower budget teams (USM, TECH, Western, Marshall)that played in CUSA. I believe what you will see is not only did those low budget complete but for the most part are near or at the top in wins.

Budgets are not apple to apple and some schools count debt different. Some adds building cost to their AD budget. For others it general funds. Some counts retirement cost in their AD funds. Some it comes out of the general funds budget. Scholarship cost are not the same and can add millions to a budget.

In the end the money spent on football or on basketball are very similar

I get what you are saying about how budgets are counted, reported, etc. But surely you know that Liberty has oodles of money. All those sparkling facilities and buildings weren’t built on accounting manipulations.

(09-08-2023 11:00 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 05:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 07:47 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  Kinne is an amazing coach based on what we have recently seen. And I agree that Texas State has the potential to be perhaps the strongest G5 player in the Lone Star State.

As for Liberty, the numbers for both exiting CUSA and foregoing AAC payments are relatively small. That's why I suggested that it makes economic sense. We also are one of only a handful of schools with the resources to be competitive against existing AAC programs moving forward.

As for Liberty and the SBC, that ship has sailed. The schools in the Belt want nothing to do with us for multiple reasons not the least of which is our spending power as a private school. Liberty will not be entering the Belt unless the entire Non-P2 world comes crashing down.

When you get a chance chart the schools in the ACC with fb wins over a 5, 7 and 10 year period. Do the same for basketball.

Next do the same for 4 of the lower budget teams (USM, TECH, Western, Marshall)that played in CUSA. I believe what you will see is not only did those low budget complete but for the most part are near or at the top in wins.

Budgets are not apple to apple and some schools count debt different. Some adds building cost to their AD budget. For others it general funds. Some counts retirement cost in their AD funds. Some it comes out of the general funds budget. Scholarship cost are not the same and can add millions to a budget.

In the end the money spent on football or on basketball are very similar

I get what you are saying about how budgets are counted, reported, etc. But surely you know that Liberty has oodles of money. All those sparkling facilities and buildings weren’t built on accounting manipulations.

I dont believe you fully get what I'm saying.....

Western, Tech, Marshall, and USM (in the past) has actually shown they not only can compete with the AAC schools. They compete at a higher level in wins, year in year out. Or at least 6 of them. I've yet to see where money has been the deciding factor on winning in the G5

(09-08-2023 11:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 11:00 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 05:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 07:47 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  Kinne is an amazing coach based on what we have recently seen. And I agree that Texas State has the potential to be perhaps the strongest G5 player in the Lone Star State.

As for Liberty, the numbers for both exiting CUSA and foregoing AAC payments are relatively small. That's why I suggested that it makes economic sense. We also are one of only a handful of schools with the resources to be competitive against existing AAC programs moving forward.

As for Liberty and the SBC, that ship has sailed. The schools in the Belt want nothing to do with us for multiple reasons not the least of which is our spending power as a private school. Liberty will not be entering the Belt unless the entire Non-P2 world comes crashing down.

When you get a chance chart the schools in the ACC with fb wins over a 5, 7 and 10 year period. Do the same for basketball.

Next do the same for 4 of the lower budget teams (USM, TECH, Western, Marshall)that played in CUSA. I believe what you will see is not only did those low budget complete but for the most part are near or at the top in wins.

Budgets are not apple to apple and some schools count debt different. Some adds building cost to their AD budget. For others it general funds. Some counts retirement cost in their AD funds. Some it comes out of the general funds budget. Scholarship cost are not the same and can add millions to a budget.

In the end the money spent on football or on basketball are very similar

I get what you are saying about how budgets are counted, reported, etc. But surely you know that Liberty has oodles of money. All those sparkling facilities and buildings weren’t built on accounting manipulations.

I dont believe you fully get what I'm saying.....

Western, Tech, Marshall, and USM (in the past) has actually shown they not only can compete with the AAC schools. They compete at a higher level in wins, year in year out. Or at least 6 of them. I've yet to see where money has been the deciding factor on winning in the G5

From some of the moves that were made in this past realignment, it really doesn't matter if a team can "compete." It's all about money and connection. I shouldn't even say this past realignment, because it may not be over yet.

(09-09-2023 08:22 AM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 11:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 11:00 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 05:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 07:47 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  Kinne is an amazing coach based on what we have recently seen. And I agree that Texas State has the potential to be perhaps the strongest G5 player in the Lone Star State.

As for Liberty, the numbers for both exiting CUSA and foregoing AAC payments are relatively small. That's why I suggested that it makes economic sense. We also are one of only a handful of schools with the resources to be competitive against existing AAC programs moving forward.

As for Liberty and the SBC, that ship has sailed. The schools in the Belt want nothing to do with us for multiple reasons not the least of which is our spending power as a private school. Liberty will not be entering the Belt unless the entire Non-P2 world comes crashing down.

When you get a chance chart the schools in the ACC with fb wins over a 5, 7 and 10 year period. Do the same for basketball.

Next do the same for 4 of the lower budget teams (USM, TECH, Western, Marshall)that played in CUSA. I believe what you will see is not only did those low budget complete but for the most part are near or at the top in wins.

Budgets are not apple to apple and some schools count debt different. Some adds building cost to their AD budget. For others it general funds. Some counts retirement cost in their AD funds. Some it comes out of the general funds budget. Scholarship cost are not the same and can add millions to a budget.

In the end the money spent on football or on basketball are very similar

I get what you are saying about how budgets are counted, reported, etc. But surely you know that Liberty has oodles of money. All those sparkling facilities and buildings weren’t built on accounting manipulations.

I dont believe you fully get what I'm saying.....

Western, Tech, Marshall, and USM (in the past) has actually shown they not only can compete with the AAC schools. They compete at a higher level in wins, year in year out. Or at least 6 of them. I've yet to see where money has been the deciding factor on winning in the G5

From some of the moves that were made in this past realignment, it really doesn't matter if a team can "compete." It's all about money and connection. I shouldn't even say this past realignment, because it may not be over yet.

My comments has nothing to do with anything but the bold part I quoted. The Liberty fan was clearly talking about competing and I took it to be competing on the field or court. We all know these moves had nothing to do with winning and everything with location. But that wasn't what I quoted.

No one can see the future but most people look to the past to try to see what a school might do moving forward. If a person picked any set number of years....

Western has not only competed with the 6 former CUSA schools who are now playing in the AAC. Western would be at the top of that list when it comes to actual wins. In football, in basketball (championships is lacking but not wins)and total number of CUSA championships across the board.

That is what I and most people think when talking about competing. If we are limiting it to "new shinny things"....

Western is also competing

If it's location Western is about 25 miles to far north and 75 to far south to compete with that

I stand by my comments about the resources required to compete across the board in the AAC. Our athletic budget is not based on facilities as we typically pay cash for most of our facilities and frankly we have run out of new structures to build over the course of the last five years or so.

But to compete across the board in not just football but also hoops and the olympics it requires substantial investment. Just noting the economics. Do dollars translate directly into victories? Of course not. But it certainly helps.