(Yesterday 02:52 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(Yesterday 10:17 AM)BengalBurger Wrote:  Admission requirements have been raised and a 21 is required, unless there are extenuating circumstances, or can provide a HS GPA that sufficiently offsets the lower test score.

I had to take that test to get admitted since I joined the military out of high school and never took the act or sat. 21 was the min to get in and I scored like a 57.

36 is the highest you can get

(09-25-2023 03:42 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I have recently started wondering how much academic reputation plays into expansion/invitation.

Should Memphis consider upping the minimum ACT/SAT scores?

From the little research I've done a minimum ACT of 18 if pretty low.

I've seen 21 and 24 at some nearby state schools.

Academic reputation? UCF is literally where the dumb of the dumb go. Its a 60k student diploma mill.

(Yesterday 02:52 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(Yesterday 10:17 AM)BengalBurger Wrote:  Admission requirements have been raised and a 21 is required, unless there are extenuating circumstances, or can provide a HS GPA that sufficiently offsets the lower test score.

I had to take that test to get admitted since I joined the military out of high school and never took the act or sat. 21 was the min to get in and I scored like a 57.

21 refers to the ACT. I believe a perfect ACT score is 36.

(09-03-2023 09:17 PM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(09-03-2023 07:35 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  and tumbleweeds once you get past ft worth

I've got news for you, Memphis sucks as a city. And I'm saying as someone who's lived here basically all my life. I'm out of here in 5 years once I retire. And I'm not alone.

I hear this more often the past 10 years or so.

I recall MEMPHIS being # 17 in US population around 2000 or so. Now due to residents moving out, MEMPHIS is today # 27.

I listed MEMPHIS in their ranking below as well as the cities with populations about 50,000 more or less. These are the cities that mirror MEMPHIS:

El Paso, Texas - 673,122
Portland, Oregon - 659,348
Las Vegas, Nevada - 628,970
Memphis, Tennessee - 616,710
Detroit, Michigan - 575,133
Baltimore, Maryland - 571,939
Milwaukee, Wisconsin - 570,172

Not a very appealing subset of cities.

Meanwhile, Texas has 4 of the top 11 most populated US cities.

https://www.infoplease.com/us/cities/top...n-and-rank

(Yesterday 05:32 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(09-03-2023 09:17 PM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(09-03-2023 07:35 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  and tumbleweeds once you get past ft worth

I've got news for you, Memphis sucks as a city. And I'm saying as someone who's lived here basically all my life. I'm out of here in 5 years once I retire. And I'm not alone.

I hear this more often the past 10 years or so.

I recall MEMPHIS being # 17 in US population around 2000 or so. Now due to residents moving out, MEMPHIS is today # 27.

I listed MEMPHIS in their ranking below as well as the cities with populations about 50,000 more or less. These are the cities that mirror MEMPHIS:

El Paso, Texas - 673,122
Portland, Oregon - 659,348
Las Vegas, Nevada - 628,970
Memphis, Tennessee - 616,710
Detroit, Michigan - 575,133
Baltimore, Maryland - 571,939
Milwaukee, Wisconsin - 570,172

Not a very appealing subset of cities.

Meanwhile, Texas has 4 of the top 11 most populated US cities.

https://www.infoplease.com/us/cities/top...n-and-rank

DFW has grown by 2 million since we moved here 20 years ago and it isn't slowing down.

(Yesterday 03:10 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-25-2023 03:42 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I have recently started wondering how much academic reputation plays into expansion/invitation.

Should Memphis consider upping the minimum ACT/SAT scores?

From the little research I've done a minimum ACT of 18 if pretty low.

I've seen 21 and 24 at some nearby state schools.

Academic reputation? UCF is literally where the dumb of the dumb go. Its a 60k student diploma mill.

Don't think we should be throwing stones given our ranking.

(Yesterday 02:52 PM)Southaven Wrote:  

(Yesterday 10:17 AM)BengalBurger Wrote:  Admission requirements have been raised and a 21 is required, unless there are extenuating circumstances, or can provide a HS GPA that sufficiently offsets the lower test score.

I had to take that test to get admitted since I joined the military out of high school and never took the act or sat. 21 was the min to get in and I scored like a 57.

You are the smartest person who ever lived.

(Yesterday 03:10 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-25-2023 03:42 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I have recently started wondering how much academic reputation plays into expansion/invitation.

Should Memphis consider upping the minimum ACT/SAT scores?

From the little research I've done a minimum ACT of 18 if pretty low.

I've seen 21 and 24 at some nearby state schools.

Academic reputation? UCF is literally where the dumb of the dumb go. Its a 60k student diploma mill.

UCF (per USNews) Ranked 124 in National Universities, 64 among public schools
SAT Range* 1200-1360

ACT Range* 25-29

High School GPA* 3.9

* These are the average scores of applications admitted to this school. Ranges represent admitted applicants who fell within the 25th and 75th percentile.

UofM (per USNews) Ranked 269 in National Universities, 145 among public schools
SAT Range* 930-1230

ACT Range* 17-24

High School GPA* 3.4

* These are the average scores of applications admitted to this school. Ranges represent admitted applicants who fell within the 25th and 75th percentile.

I think the school's academic rep does matter - maybe not as much as in the past, but it still matters. Just to fill the school, Memphis takes almost everybody who applies (95%), so it can't be too selective about scores and grades. If you look at the US News rankings, we're pretty much below all the schools in the P5. Some marketing folks need to figure out how to attract more, and brighter, students.

(Yesterday 10:07 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(Yesterday 03:10 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-25-2023 03:42 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I have recently started wondering how much academic reputation plays into expansion/invitation.

Should Memphis consider upping the minimum ACT/SAT scores?

From the little research I've done a minimum ACT of 18 if pretty low.

I've seen 21 and 24 at some nearby state schools.

Academic reputation? UCF is literally where the dumb of the dumb go. Its a 60k student diploma mill.

UCF (per USNews) Ranked 124 in National Universities, 64 among public schools
SAT Range* 1200-1360

ACT Range* 25-29

High School GPA* 3.9

* These are the average scores of applications admitted to this school. Ranges represent admitted applicants who fell within the 25th and 75th percentile.

UofM (per USNews) Ranked 269 in National Universities, 145 among public schools
SAT Range* 930-1230

ACT Range* 17-24

High School GPA* 3.4

* These are the average scores of applications admitted to this school. Ranges represent admitted applicants who fell within the 25th and 75th percentile.

I think the school's academic rep does matter - maybe not as much as in the past, but it still matters. Just to fill the school, Memphis takes almost everybody who applies (95%), so it can't be too selective about scores and grades. If you look at the US News rankings, we're pretty much below all the schools in the P5. Some marketing folks need to figure out how to attract more, and brighter, students.

The city of Memphis used to be considered one of the fattest cities in America, according to whoever makes that list.

Over a few years Memphis started adding bike lanes to various city streets. They took a 4-lane street near my parents, cut it down to 2 lanes and added bike lanes on each side.

I, like many Memphians, wondered why they were adding bike lanes which rarely get used.

Then I saw a report where Memphis was no longer considered a "fat city". It seems one of the criteria was the number of miles of bike lanes.

Memphis zeroed in on one of the criteria and essentially changed its ranking.

Voila! Memphis is no longer fat.


Point being, the university should take a look at the ranking criteria and make changes. It will move up on the USNews college rankings and thus be more attractive to students looking for a college.

(Yesterday 10:07 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(Yesterday 03:10 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-25-2023 03:42 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I have recently started wondering how much academic reputation plays into expansion/invitation.

Should Memphis consider upping the minimum ACT/SAT scores?

From the little research I've done a minimum ACT of 18 if pretty low.

I've seen 21 and 24 at some nearby state schools.

Academic reputation? UCF is literally where the dumb of the dumb go. Its a 60k student diploma mill.

UCF (per USNews) Ranked 124 in National Universities, 64 among public schools
SAT Range* 1200-1360

ACT Range* 25-29

High School GPA* 3.9

* These are the average scores of applications admitted to this school. Ranges represent admitted applicants who fell within the 25th and 75th percentile.

UofM (per USNews) Ranked 269 in National Universities, 145 among public schools
SAT Range* 930-1230

ACT Range* 17-24

High School GPA* 3.4

* These are the average scores of applications admitted to this school. Ranges represent admitted applicants who fell within the 25th and 75th percentile.

I think the school's academic rep does matter - maybe not as much as in the past, but it still matters. Just to fill the school, Memphis takes almost everybody who applies (95%), so it can't be too selective about scores and grades. If you look at the US News rankings, we're pretty much below all the schools in the P5. Some marketing folks need to figure out how to attract more, and brighter, students.

haha, no way a 3.9 is the average GPA of a person at UCF.

(Today 09:12 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(Yesterday 10:07 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(Yesterday 03:10 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-25-2023 03:42 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I have recently started wondering how much academic reputation plays into expansion/invitation.

Should Memphis consider upping the minimum ACT/SAT scores?

From the little research I've done a minimum ACT of 18 if pretty low.

I've seen 21 and 24 at some nearby state schools.

Academic reputation? UCF is literally where the dumb of the dumb go. Its a 60k student diploma mill.

UCF (per USNews) Ranked 124 in National Universities, 64 among public schools
SAT Range* 1200-1360

ACT Range* 25-29

High School GPA* 3.9

* These are the average scores of applications admitted to this school. Ranges represent admitted applicants who fell within the 25th and 75th percentile.

UofM (per USNews) Ranked 269 in National Universities, 145 among public schools
SAT Range* 930-1230

ACT Range* 17-24

High School GPA* 3.4

* These are the average scores of applications admitted to this school. Ranges represent admitted applicants who fell within the 25th and 75th percentile.

I think the school's academic rep does matter - maybe not as much as in the past, but it still matters. Just to fill the school, Memphis takes almost everybody who applies (95%), so it can't be too selective about scores and grades. If you look at the US News rankings, we're pretty much below all the schools in the P5. Some marketing folks need to figure out how to attract more, and brighter, students.

haha, no way a 3.9 is the average GPA of a person at UCF.

From UCF:

For incoming freshmen, Average ACT 28.6
Average high school GPA (weighted) 4.25

https://www.ucf.edu/document/ucf-facts-a...s-2021-22/

(Yesterday 05:32 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(09-03-2023 09:17 PM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(09-03-2023 07:35 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  and tumbleweeds once you get past ft worth

I've got news for you, Memphis sucks as a city. And I'm saying as someone who's lived here basically all my life. I'm out of here in 5 years once I retire. And I'm not alone.

I hear this more often the past 10 years or so.

I recall MEMPHIS being # 17 in US population around 2000 or so. Now due to residents moving out, MEMPHIS is today # 27.

I listed MEMPHIS in their ranking below as well as the cities with populations about 50,000 more or less. These are the cities that mirror MEMPHIS:

El Paso, Texas - 673,122
Portland, Oregon - 659,348
Las Vegas, Nevada - 628,970
Memphis, Tennessee - 616,710
Detroit, Michigan - 575,133
Baltimore, Maryland - 571,939
Milwaukee, Wisconsin - 570,172

Not a very appealing subset of cities.

Meanwhile, Texas has 4 of the top 11 most populated US cities.

https://www.infoplease.com/us/cities/top...n-and-rank

One thing to keep in mind is that the City de-annexed a decent sized area (parts of Cordova) since 2000. Didn't impact population numbers dramatically but still an understandable part of the reason for the decline.

I've lived in Memphis my whole life. While we certainly have our problems, I do love our City. I work with primarily 20 and 30 somethings. Younger adults enjoy/appreciate Memphis more than us old farts. My parents both passed away earlier this year. They were in their 80s and complained about this and that about the City but never moved. I think while working toward solutions to our problems (mainly crime), I truly believe we would be a better City if we referenced the positives of the City as much as the negatives. I know many on this board will roll their eyes when reading this........

(Today 08:44 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(Yesterday 10:07 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(Yesterday 03:10 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-25-2023 03:42 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I have recently started wondering how much academic reputation plays into expansion/invitation.

Should Memphis consider upping the minimum ACT/SAT scores?

From the little research I've done a minimum ACT of 18 if pretty low.

I've seen 21 and 24 at some nearby state schools.

Academic reputation? UCF is literally where the dumb of the dumb go. Its a 60k student diploma mill.

UCF (per USNews) Ranked 124 in National Universities, 64 among public schools
SAT Range* 1200-1360

ACT Range* 25-29

High School GPA* 3.9

* These are the average scores of applications admitted to this school. Ranges represent admitted applicants who fell within the 25th and 75th percentile.

UofM (per USNews) Ranked 269 in National Universities, 145 among public schools
SAT Range* 930-1230

ACT Range* 17-24

High School GPA* 3.4

* These are the average scores of applications admitted to this school. Ranges represent admitted applicants who fell within the 25th and 75th percentile.

I think the school's academic rep does matter - maybe not as much as in the past, but it still matters. Just to fill the school, Memphis takes almost everybody who applies (95%), so it can't be too selective about scores and grades. If you look at the US News rankings, we're pretty much below all the schools in the P5. Some marketing folks need to figure out how to attract more, and brighter, students.

The city of Memphis used to be considered one of the fattest cities in America, according to whoever makes that list.

Over a few years Memphis started adding bike lanes to various city streets. They took a 4-lane street near my parents, cut it down to 2 lanes and added bike lanes on each side.

I, like many Memphians, wondered why they were adding bike lanes which rarely get used.

Then I saw a report where Memphis was no longer considered a "fat city". It seems one of the criteria was the number of miles of bike lanes.

Memphis zeroed in on one of the criteria and essentially changed its ranking.

Voila! Memphis is no longer fat.


Point being, the university should take a look at the ranking criteria and make changes. It will move up on the USNews college rankings and thus be more attractive to students looking for a college.

Good example.
And the bike lanes have a secondary effect on fatness.
They took out a lane of traffic on Southern and replaced it with a bike lane. That slows down traffic going to the Tigers fb games. People stuck in traffic have less time to eat BBQ nachos and fried turkey legs at the games.

(Today 10:11 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(Today 08:44 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(Yesterday 10:07 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  

(Yesterday 03:10 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-25-2023 03:42 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I have recently started wondering how much academic reputation plays into expansion/invitation.

Should Memphis consider upping the minimum ACT/SAT scores?

From the little research I've done a minimum ACT of 18 if pretty low.

I've seen 21 and 24 at some nearby state schools.

Academic reputation? UCF is literally where the dumb of the dumb go. Its a 60k student diploma mill.

UCF (per USNews) Ranked 124 in National Universities, 64 among public schools
SAT Range* 1200-1360

ACT Range* 25-29

High School GPA* 3.9

* These are the average scores of applications admitted to this school. Ranges represent admitted applicants who fell within the 25th and 75th percentile.

UofM (per USNews) Ranked 269 in National Universities, 145 among public schools
SAT Range* 930-1230

ACT Range* 17-24

High School GPA* 3.4

* These are the average scores of applications admitted to this school. Ranges represent admitted applicants who fell within the 25th and 75th percentile.

I think the school's academic rep does matter - maybe not as much as in the past, but it still matters. Just to fill the school, Memphis takes almost everybody who applies (95%), so it can't be too selective about scores and grades. If you look at the US News rankings, we're pretty much below all the schools in the P5. Some marketing folks need to figure out how to attract more, and brighter, students.

The city of Memphis used to be considered one of the fattest cities in America, according to whoever makes that list.

Over a few years Memphis started adding bike lanes to various city streets. They took a 4-lane street near my parents, cut it down to 2 lanes and added bike lanes on each side.

I, like many Memphians, wondered why they were adding bike lanes which rarely get used.

Then I saw a report where Memphis was no longer considered a "fat city". It seems one of the criteria was the number of miles of bike lanes.

Memphis zeroed in on one of the criteria and essentially changed its ranking.

Voila! Memphis is no longer fat.


Point being, the university should take a look at the ranking criteria and make changes. It will move up on the USNews college rankings and thus be more attractive to students looking for a college.

Good example.
And the bike lanes have a secondary effect on fatness.
They took out a lane of traffic on Southern and replaced it with a bike lane. That slows down traffic going to the Tigers fb games. People stuck in traffic have less time to eat BBQ nachos and fried turkey legs at the games.

Excellent point!




But I still make a point to get a Pronto Pup.