(09-01-2023 10:51 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:46 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:37 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:31 PM)CRM114 Wrote:  Understandable to feel that way but our enjoyment of college sports doesn't have to be dictated by what conference we are in. We have other schools to play and games to win. If our boosters, fan base and community provide the same or better support that it has during the past several years there's no reason we couldn't rule the AAC in basketball and football. Might not be as impressive as ruling a conference with the four programs that left, but it would make us a staple of the top 25 and give our school as good or better exposure than we've ever had. Think of the attention we got in basketball after being left behind in the watered-down CUSA in 2005?

Take a look at all the non P5, non-AAC teams that have finished in the top 25 in recent years. Don't forget, the best final ranking we've had was 17 in 2019 and some of these schools did better than that in their "crap" conferences...

2022 - Troy (19), Fresno (24)
2021 - Louisiana (16), SDSU (25)
2020 - Coastal Carolina (14), Louisiana (15), Liberty (17), Ball State (23), San Jose State (24), Buffalo (25)
2019 - Appalachian State (19), Air Force (22), Boise (23)
2018 - Fresno State (18), Army (19), Utah State (22), Boise State (23)
2017 - Boise State (22)
2016 - Western Michigan (15), San Diego State (25)
2015 - Western Kentucky (24)

The best way to show we really belong in a power conference is to start blowing everyone in the conference off the field and court.

Agree, but you’re talking to some folks that would e surrendered the day after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

That's terrible analogy and you know it. This isn't one event - one bad break. This is decades of being s h i t on and left behind over and over and over again.

If you really think your analogy is accurate then you just don't understand analogies. At all.

Blah blah blah. B!tch’s gonna b!tch. Fold up or move forward. If y’all think realignment is done y’all are nuts. There are way more moves coming and we just need to keep pushing and grindin. But half of y’all wanna just give up and go 100% basketball. No thanks.

Schools that will get an invite before us: Wazzu, Oregon St, SDSU, half the MWC, USF, Tulane, UCONN.

It’s over.

(09-01-2023 10:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:51 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:46 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:37 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:31 PM)CRM114 Wrote:  Understandable to feel that way but our enjoyment of college sports doesn't have to be dictated by what conference we are in. We have other schools to play and games to win. If our boosters, fan base and community provide the same or better support that it has during the past several years there's no reason we couldn't rule the AAC in basketball and football. Might not be as impressive as ruling a conference with the four programs that left, but it would make us a staple of the top 25 and give our school as good or better exposure than we've ever had. Think of the attention we got in basketball after being left behind in the watered-down CUSA in 2005?

Take a look at all the non P5, non-AAC teams that have finished in the top 25 in recent years. Don't forget, the best final ranking we've had was 17 in 2019 and some of these schools did better than that in their "crap" conferences...

2022 - Troy (19), Fresno (24)
2021 - Louisiana (16), SDSU (25)
2020 - Coastal Carolina (14), Louisiana (15), Liberty (17), Ball State (23), San Jose State (24), Buffalo (25)
2019 - Appalachian State (19), Air Force (22), Boise (23)
2018 - Fresno State (18), Army (19), Utah State (22), Boise State (23)
2017 - Boise State (22)
2016 - Western Michigan (15), San Diego State (25)
2015 - Western Kentucky (24)

The best way to show we really belong in a power conference is to start blowing everyone in the conference off the field and court.

Agree, but you’re talking to some folks that would e surrendered the day after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

That's terrible analogy and you know it. This isn't one event - one bad break. This is decades of being s h i t on and left behind over and over and over again.

If you really think your analogy is accurate then you just don't understand analogies. At all.

Blah blah blah. B!tch’s gonna b!tch. Fold up or move forward. If y’all think realignment is done y’all are nuts. There are way more moves coming and we just need to keep pushing and grindin. But half of y’all wanna just give up and go 100% basketball. No thanks.

I'd rather push for putting together a best of the rest G5 conference with the understanding that everyone wants to move up - full transparency. Why stay in CUSA 4.0 if there's a better plan to push?

Except for the B1G and the SEC taking the brands they want from the ACC alignment is pretty much over.

MW should reverse merge with the PAC2 but that's not earth shattering.

What else is coming down the pike outside of the ACC's big brands moving on in 5-7 years?

I’m all good w the best of the rest but it has to make logistical sense. I honestly believe that the scenario you describe might happen. Wazzu ans OSU try to backfill w MWC and AAC top teams. If the $$$$ is right, we should do it. I think Aresco was turned down by those two and had no choice but to release a statement. Now he has to wait for the hammer to drop.

(09-01-2023 11:02 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:51 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:46 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:37 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  Agree, but you’re talking to some folks that would e surrendered the day after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

That's terrible analogy and you know it. This isn't one event - one bad break. This is decades of being s h i t on and left behind over and over and over again.

If you really think your analogy is accurate then you just don't understand analogies. At all.

Blah blah blah. B!tch’s gonna b!tch. Fold up or move forward. If y’all think realignment is done y’all are nuts. There are way more moves coming and we just need to keep pushing and grindin. But half of y’all wanna just give up and go 100% basketball. No thanks.

I'd rather push for putting together a best of the rest G5 conference with the understanding that everyone wants to move up - full transparency. Why stay in CUSA 4.0 if there's a better plan to push?

Except for the B1G and the SEC taking the brands they want from the ACC alignment is pretty much over.

MW should reverse merge with the PAC2 but that's not earth shattering.

What else is coming down the pike outside of the ACC's big brands moving on in 5-7 years?

I’m all good w the best of the rest but it has to make logistical sense. I honestly believe that the scenario you describe might happen. Wazzu ans OSU try to backfill w MWC and AAC top teams. If the $$$$ is right, we should do it. I think Aresco was turned down by those two and had no choice but to release a statement. Now he has to wait for the hammer to drop.

I heard the AAC members took a vote and the majority told him 'No' to the West expansion. That's what I think happened. If that's it then eff this conference, right?

Either way Memphis leadership should be on the phone getting this deal put together.

If an invite to the ACC eventually happens and it makes more sense - great - take it in 5-10 years. Who cares? Eff loyalty my man - it is every man for himself and if you have to step on somebody else to get ahead then so be it. They would do it to you if they get the chance.

I'll say this because I truly believe it. Aresco saying that the AAC is not expanding westward has nothing to do with Memphis and any other combination of AAC schools from joining a rebuilt PAC. Aresco was not speaking for Memphis when he said what he said. Everyone is acting as if he was speaking for the PAC (which he has no control over). Any and all decisions they were or are going to make had literally nothing to do with any plans that Aresco has. Memphis, Tulane and anyone else that a rebuilt PAC decides to add or bring in if the situation is better has nothing to do with the AAC. OSU and WSU can decide to open up their PAC fortune and add four to six of us along with the top of the MWC along with Navy, AFA and Army and cement their top 5th conference status. I may be wishful thinking but I dont believe it's a done deal for us,,,,the AAC maybe but not us.

(09-01-2023 11:10 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:02 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:51 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:46 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  That's terrible analogy and you know it. This isn't one event - one bad break. This is decades of being s h i t on and left behind over and over and over again.

If you really think your analogy is accurate then you just don't understand analogies. At all.

Blah blah blah. B!tch’s gonna b!tch. Fold up or move forward. If y’all think realignment is done y’all are nuts. There are way more moves coming and we just need to keep pushing and grindin. But half of y’all wanna just give up and go 100% basketball. No thanks.

I'd rather push for putting together a best of the rest G5 conference with the understanding that everyone wants to move up - full transparency. Why stay in CUSA 4.0 if there's a better plan to push?

Except for the B1G and the SEC taking the brands they want from the ACC alignment is pretty much over.

MW should reverse merge with the PAC2 but that's not earth shattering.

What else is coming down the pike outside of the ACC's big brands moving on in 5-7 years?

I’m all good w the best of the rest but it has to make logistical sense. I honestly believe that the scenario you describe might happen. Wazzu ans OSU try to backfill w MWC and AAC top teams. If the $$$$ is right, we should do it. I think Aresco was turned down by those two and had no choice but to release a statement. Now he has to wait for the hammer to drop.

I heard the AAC members took a vote and the majority told him 'No' to the West expansion. That's what I think happened. If that's it then eff this conference, right?

Either way Memphis leadership should be on the phone getting this deal put together.

If an invite to the ACC eventually happens and it makes more sense - great - take it in 5-10 years. Who cares? Eff loyalty my man - it is every man for himself and if you have to step on somebody else to get ahead then so be it. They would do it to you if they get the chance.

Agree. I have no loyalties to the AAC. I just don’t think SMU will reap the benefits they think they will by giving up revenue. I agree we should be on the phone w the PAC 2 and at least hear their plan.

(09-01-2023 09:34 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  In one full swoop, the eradication of the Pac12 has eliminated any shot of our University ever getting inclusion in the Big12 or ACC. It’s done. It’s over.

What do we do? Accept it and stay in a spread out AAC that will be worse than the old CUSA? Go Indy in football and join the BigEast in everything else?

I’ll say this and I’ve been predicting it for a decade now. When the power structure breaks off they will be taking the BigEast with them because they need those teams and markets for basketball. It’s time for Memphis to get in the BigEast and either go independent in football or seriously consider dropping football altogether. Or maybe put it in the sunbelt.

Some of y’all may laugh or hurl insults. I’m as hurt for our university as anyone. It’s just time to accept it and move on.

I have no interest for college football anymore.

I don't know if you know this or not but the Big East wants nothing to do with us

(09-01-2023 09:40 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  We won our Super Bowl by making the Cotton Bowl. Im at peace...as far as football. However, basketball is another story. Memphis basketball will be fine regardless, and we still have work to do and I have no doubt we will climb the mountain top.

Basketball will be fine for now. You can rest assured that the powers that be are going to try to change the NCAA Tournament so that only the big name schools get a seat. You can scoff at it all you want, but what's happening to Football will eventually come for Hoops too.

(09-01-2023 11:23 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:40 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  We won our Super Bowl by making the Cotton Bowl. Im at peace...as far as football. However, basketball is another story. Memphis basketball will be fine regardless, and we still have work to do and I have no doubt we will climb the mountain top.

Basketball will be fine for now. You can rest assured that the powers that be are going to try to change the NCAA Tournament so that only the big name schools get a seat. You can scoff at it all you want, but what's happening to Football will eventually come for Hoops too.

I disagree. We'll be fine in hoops. And the NCAA tournament isn't going to change.

Imo, we are much more likely to see a football Premier League of 32-36 teams who will crown their own national champion. And all other sports remain pretty much the same.

(09-01-2023 11:28 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:23 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:40 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  We won our Super Bowl by making the Cotton Bowl. Im at peace...as far as football. However, basketball is another story. Memphis basketball will be fine regardless, and we still have work to do and I have no doubt we will climb the mountain top.

Basketball will be fine for now. You can rest assured that the powers that be are going to try to change the NCAA Tournament so that only the big name schools get a seat. You can scoff at it all you want, but what's happening to Football will eventually come for Hoops too.

I disagree. We'll be fine in hoops. And the NCAA tournament isn't going to change.

Imo, we are much more likely to see a football Premier League of 32-36 teams who will crown their own national champion. And all other sports remain pretty much the same.

Which leaves around 100 schools not in the Premier League to play against each other. And as far as the tourney, you’re assuming the NCAA will still be around.

(09-01-2023 11:28 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:23 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:40 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  We won our Super Bowl by making the Cotton Bowl. Im at peace...as far as football. However, basketball is another story. Memphis basketball will be fine regardless, and we still have work to do and I have no doubt we will climb the mountain top.

Basketball will be fine for now. You can rest assured that the powers that be are going to try to change the NCAA Tournament so that only the big name schools get a seat. You can scoff at it all you want, but what's happening to Football will eventually come for Hoops too.

I disagree. We'll be fine in hoops. And the NCAA tournament isn't going to change.

Imo, we are much more likely to see a football Premier League of 32-36 teams who will crown their own national champion. And all other sports remain pretty much the same.

“It’s fine! We’ll be fine! This is just a fad and everyone will keep coming. No way people give up so much tradition. We’re an American staple….”~Blockbuster

Trust me. If they were willing to tear up their precious bowl structure. Willing to kill near century long football traditions and rivalries. They won’t think twice about killing the NCAA basketball tournament.

Scoff if you want but there is still a chance.
After the ACC expands with those 3, there's gonna be 17 ACC football schools.
An uneven number.
Take two chill pills, and wait for the next round of expansion.
There will be more.

We fooled ourselves in thinking we were becoming a football school. We have been and always will he a basketball school. The fact that we will never be in a power conference solidified it.

(09-02-2023 12:15 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  Scoff if you want but there is still a chance.
After the ACC expands with those 3, there's gonna be 17 ACC football schools.
An uneven number.
Take two chill pills, and wait for the next round of expansion.
There will be more.

More for us to be left out of.

Here’s your original American. Let this sink in. We are not wanted. 7 of the 10 have left and not any of them have helped us or are currently helping. We are UAB or Southern Miss to them.

UCF
Louisville
Cincinnati
Houston
SMU
Rutgers
UConn
South Florida
Memphis
Temple

(09-01-2023 09:34 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  In one full swoop, the eradication of the Pac12 has eliminated any shot of our University ever getting inclusion in the Big12 or ACC. It’s done. It’s over.

What do we do? Accept it and stay in a spread out AAC that will be worse than the old CUSA? Go Indy in football and join the BigEast in everything else?

I’ll say this and I’ve been predicting it for a decade now. When the power structure breaks off they will be taking the BigEast with them because they need those teams and markets for basketball. It’s time for Memphis to get in the BigEast and either go independent in football or seriously consider dropping football altogether. Or maybe put it in the sunbelt.

Some of y’all may laugh or hurl insults. I’m as hurt for our university as anyone. It’s just time to accept it and move on.

I have no interest for college football anymore.

So then this should be your last post about college football?

That's too bad. You seemed so optimistic.

Good luck the rest of football season.

(09-01-2023 11:28 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:23 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:40 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  We won our Super Bowl by making the Cotton Bowl. Im at peace...as far as football. However, basketball is another story. Memphis basketball will be fine regardless, and we still have work to do and I have no doubt we will climb the mountain top.

Basketball will be fine for now. You can rest assured that the powers that be are going to try to change the NCAA Tournament so that only the big name schools get a seat. You can scoff at it all you want, but what's happening to Football will eventually come for Hoops too.

I disagree. We'll be fine in hoops. And the NCAA tournament isn't going to change.

Imo, we are much more likely to see a football Premier League of 32-36 teams who will crown their own national champion. And all other sports remain pretty much the same.

There are maybe 10 schools that can win a football national title and it’s basically been that way since about 1970

If you're referring to getting into a major conference then yes...perhaps that particular dream is in fact over - at least for now. But.....

In the meanwhile.....just stop with all the feeling doomed.....all the poor pitiful me crap and get up and get back in the fight. There are a great many institutions of higher learning all across this big wide country that aren't in the big 2 conferences either. Shift focus from trying to appease the folks that have never wanted us to aligning ourselves with the best of the rest types.

(09-01-2023 10:44 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:31 PM)CRM114 Wrote:  Understandable to feel that way but our enjoyment of college sports doesn't have to be dictated by what conference we are in. We have other schools to play and games to win. If our boosters, fan base and community provide the same or better support that it has during the past several years there's no reason we couldn't rule the AAC in basketball and football. Might not be as impressive as ruling a conference with the four programs that left, but it would make us a staple of the top 25 and give our school as good or better exposure than we've ever had. Think of the attention we got in basketball after being left behind in the watered-down CUSA in 2005?

Take a look at all the non P5, non-AAC teams that have finished in the top 25 in recent years. Don't forget, the best final ranking we've had was 17 in 2019 and some of these schools did better than that in their "crap" conferences...

2022 - Troy (19), Fresno (24)
2021 - Louisiana (16), SDSU (25)
2020 - Coastal Carolina (14), Louisiana (15), Liberty (17), Ball State (23), San Jose State (24), Buffalo (25)
2019 - Appalachian State (19), Air Force (22), Boise (23)
2018 - Fresno State (18), Army (19), Utah State (22), Boise State (23)
2017 - Boise State (22)
2016 - Western Michigan (15), San Diego State (25)
2015 - Western Kentucky (24)

The best way to show we really belong in a power conference is to start blowing everyone in the conference off the field and court.

All those schools have one thing in common with us. They are blocked out just like us. No chance at all.

All those schools have an OCS.

A stadium 1 mile from campus isn’t keeping us out. We aren’t wanted. If our athletic department isn’t trying their best to get in the MWC right now. They should all be fired.

Memphis hasn't made the cut because of our academic reputation. The best thing we can do at this point is to strengthen ties with Tulane, Navy and Rice and get Army into the conference while continuing to improve our academic standing. That's tricky, however, because applications are down and if you raise admissions standards too much too soon, enrollment will continue to decline.
But that's what university Presidents look at. In fact, it's the first thing they look at.