(09-02-2023 11:42 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:30 PM)hooverblazer Wrote:  Army football + VCU/Dayton/St Louis basketball would be an upgrade over SMU for the AAC.

Also, for those worried about the MWC I think once OSU & WSU's P5 money runs out it's more likely they revert to the mean of a MWC team vs continuing in their current state.

This is all true.

Adding Army strengthens football and it opens a spot for a good basketball school, which we need.

OSU and WSU would have been good additions if we wanted to start a western expansion, but the truth is that there are better candidates in the MW. OSU and WSU are typically bottom feeders with not much to offer competively. I'm not heartbroken that we've moved on.

There could be two or three schools to target in the MW in the coming years.

The AAC is really set up for long term success with these moves. No other G4 conference is in the same universe as the AAC. Aresco continues to be a genius.

(09-02-2023 09:04 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 08:59 AM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  VCU does have a conference history with 6 members of the AAC from the Sun Belt, Metro, A-10 and CAA days. Not sure if the travel would be worth it.

The AAC paid Wichita State $2,843,144 in 2020-21

For comparison, the last announced financial for the a10 had the A10 getting 5 million a year .. not per school, but for the entire conference. Granted that was in 2012. The did a 3 year extension in 2021 but didn't disclose the financials ... so i'm guessing its not great. From everything that has been announced, their TV contracts runs through the end of 2023-2024 and they have no tv contract for next year.

If we offer an Army/VCU package that is the same as the Navy/WSU split .. I guarantee they will jump.

EDIT: in 2021 VCU received 1.1 million in "conference distributions"

(09-02-2023 12:22 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 09:04 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 08:59 AM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  VCU does have a conference history with 6 members of the AAC from the Sun Belt, Metro, A-10 and CAA days. Not sure if the travel would be worth it.

The AAC paid Wichita State $2,843,144 in 2020-21

For comparison, the last announced financial for the a10 had the A10 getting 5 million a year .. not per school, but for the entire conference. Granted that was in 2012. The did a 3 year extension in 2021 but didn't disclose the financials ... so i'm guessing its not great. From everything that has been announced, their TV contracts runs through the end of 2023-2024 and they have no tv contract for next year.

If we offer an Army/VCU package that is the same as the Navy/WSU split .. I guarantee they will jump.

EDIT: in 2021 VCU received 1.1 million in "conference distributions"

Well in that case (I.e. it makes $en$e for them as well as us) then count me in on adding VCU.

I mean, they poached our MBB coach and I’d love for us (still ably coached by his former assistant) to get a game against those guys annually…

(09-02-2023 10:30 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...e-football

Looks serious to me. The number of independents has dwindled to near zero. There's no advantage outside of Notre Dame, to be independent.

(09-02-2023 11:32 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 11:00 AM)boss man Wrote:  I suspect the AAC would understand and respect both Navy and Army desire to NOT meet as a conference game. Surely the other AAC member schools would agree to this truly unique exception.

The Army-Navy singular college FB game on that second Saturday in December is scheduled that way for a purpose. It is tradition and should be honored.

Yes, there IS a slim chance that Army and Navy could face each other in the AAC Championship game. Rare, but it could happen. If so, that is the AACCG played at the home stadium of the team with the best conference record. It is NOT the traditional Army-Navy season ending game played at a neutral site in the USA.

+2 for making me connect the dots that this hypothetical CCG would be at a home stadium.

We went up to Michie in COVID 2020 - first on campus A-N game since WWII.

Follow on...sadly attendance might suffer. We only had 22k hosting the 2016 CCG, in part because A-N was in Baltimore the following week. A lot of our 32k avg attendance is townies there for Navy Gameday not Navy Football, so unscheduled and cold doesn't bring them in. Alums etc who are expecting a week off before traveling to A-N might disappoint, too.

Weird take for me. I would think that an A-N championship game would bring an even bigger crowd, can you imagine the hype in the weeks leading up to such a game? A-N hype + a conf trophy on the line?

Look at Tulane last year...crowds hadn't been like that in maybe 2 generations.

How much is the A10 payout for basketball?

If we could pull off Army + VCU or Dayton we’d actually probably be better off than where we were

(09-01-2023 08:32 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

I really wish all the smoke would stop. I'd be willing to bet 100 conversations went on before "USC and UCLA to the Big 10". I just wish every conversation we have wouldn't be broadcasted across the universe. Makes the commish look like he keeps whiffing.

(09-02-2023 01:52 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  How much is the A10 payout for basketball?

If we could pull off Army + VCU or Dayton we’d actually probably be better off than where we were

I know it was 600,000 in the mid 2010’s.

If we can’t draw vcu in, I’d rather just stick with 13 in everything but football.

(09-02-2023 02:42 PM)Niner National Wrote:  ...

If we can’t draw vcu in, I’d rather just stick with 13 in everything but football.

Speak for yourself, I'm all in for VCU Football #Undefeated

Count me as someone who respects Army but doesn’t love them as an add. BUT…if we do, let’s go big and build regional juice so fans can drive to games, fill stadiums and build something unique instead of these half empty stadiums built for Mickey Mouse’s needs.

Go to 14 by replacing SMU with:
Army/VCU

Go to 20 with:
ODU
Georgia State (UAB travel partner)
Southern Miss (Tulane travel partner)

West:
Colorado State
Air Force
Boise

Hell no to any SunBelt coastal community college and two hell no’s to crooked Liberty.

I really think adding Army would solidify this league and make us valuable. I believe it can be argued that the two most valuable non P5 schools are Army and Navy. Having both makes us the most valuable G5. I don't care what their records are. I really hope we get them. If we do then I will have full faith in Aresco and the AAC.

(09-01-2023 10:37 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:23 PM)Kyle-from-LaGrange Wrote:  Do you add VCU if Army comes for other sports? Another school to strengthen basketball besides VCU? Or just Army football only?

Count me as someone who would be highly shocked to see Aresco add Army. If he can land them it would be a huge accomplishment. With that said, I can't imagine any A-10 school outside of UMASS being willing to jump at an AAC offer.

Yea folks in here are delusional about what the AAC is today. I'd be very surprised if the American had any realisti options aside from CUSA and MAC schools (and I think you're right - UMass wants a football conference).

The conference had options when UConn left. It easily could've been saved by adding from the MWC + A10, but Aresco and the schools wanted to "stand pat" and were too gun shy about a hybrid model that they let the conference fall apart instead.

(09-03-2023 11:24 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 03:08 PM)PowderKeg! Wrote:  Count me as someone who respects Army but doesn’t love them as an add. BUT…if we do, let’s go big and build regional juice so fans can drive to games, fill stadiums and build something unique instead of these half empty stadiums built for Mickey Mouse’s needs.

Go to 14 by replacing SMU with:
Army/VCU

Go to 20 with:
ODU
Georgia State (UAB travel partner)
Southern Miss (Tulane travel partner)

West:
Colorado State
Air Force
Boise

Hell no to any SunBelt coastal community college and two hell no’s to crooked Liberty.

Liberty would make a great 'heel' (think pro wrasslin) for this league. Think about it, lol

I prefer our “heel” to be R1 and we have ours on board already

(09-04-2023 06:08 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(09-03-2023 11:24 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 03:08 PM)PowderKeg! Wrote:  Count me as someone who respects Army but doesn’t love them as an add. BUT…if we do, let’s go big and build regional juice so fans can drive to games, fill stadiums and build something unique instead of these half empty stadiums built for Mickey Mouse’s needs.

Go to 14 by replacing SMU with:
Army/VCU

Go to 20 with:
ODU
Georgia State (UAB travel partner)
Southern Miss (Tulane travel partner)

West:
Colorado State
Air Force
Boise

Hell no to any SunBelt coastal community college and two hell no’s to crooked Liberty.

Liberty would make a great 'heel' (think pro wrasslin) for this league. Think about it, lol

I prefer our “heel” to be R1 and we have ours on board already

clt says liberty has a 105% acceptance rate

Liberty is the best possible addition if Army says no. If Army says yes I'd probably still consider Liberty.

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(09-02-2023 03:08 PM)PowderKeg! Wrote:  Count me as someone who respects Army but doesn’t love them as an add. BUT…if we do, let’s go big and build regional juice so fans can drive to games, fill stadiums and build something unique instead of these half empty stadiums built for Mickey Mouse’s needs.

Go to 14 by replacing SMU with:
Army/VCU

Go to 20 with:
ODU
Georgia State (UAB travel partner)
Southern Miss (Tulane travel partner)

West:
Colorado State
Air Force
Boise

Hell no to any SunBelt coastal community college and two hell no’s to crooked Liberty.

Id take liberty in a heartbeat or notre dame or byu to replace southern methodist.

Beautiful school in a beautiful place with good people. Its 10x nicer than nany of the current schools and a shiteton better than the dead weight we added.

(09-04-2023 06:08 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(09-03-2023 11:24 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 03:08 PM)PowderKeg! Wrote:  Count me as someone who respects Army but doesn’t love them as an add. BUT…if we do, let’s go big and build regional juice so fans can drive to games, fill stadiums and build something unique instead of these half empty stadiums built for Mickey Mouse’s needs.

Go to 14 by replacing SMU with:
Army/VCU

Go to 20 with:
ODU
Georgia State (UAB travel partner)
Southern Miss (Tulane travel partner)

West:
Colorado State
Air Force
Boise

Hell no to any SunBelt coastal community college and two hell no’s to crooked Liberty.

Liberty would make a great 'heel' (think pro wrasslin) for this league. Think about it, lol

I prefer our “heel” to be R1 and we have ours on board already

R2 SMU says bye. Maybe Rice should learn football.

All the junior members need to pipe down

Rice football 1914 all you need to know junior

Dicky Maegle says hi

Oh Lord here we go again with the Liberty stuff once again.

(09-02-2023 08:50 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:49 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 08:53 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I wish the best of luck in getting Army. My main question, how does this impact the Army/Navy contract with CBS that ends in 2028. In addition, the game would now have to be played before CGG weekend.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them in as an AAC Football Only, then grab a Basketball Only school. Get VCU to help basketball.

I think the easiest way would to the count the game as a conference game and leave it where is. The AAC could not schedule them to play each other and have them both count their eachs' game verses Air Force as a conference game. That would give them and extra OOC game to schedule since Air Force would be a conference one.

I wonder what Shl thinks.

It's been a little while since I've repeated this, so here goes.

For Navy -- and I presume for Army -- Rule #1 is Thou Shalt Not Mess with Army-Navy.
That was the starting point for our talks with the Big East a dozen years ago and it is still true for us today. Everything else takes a back seat, for emotional reasons and for pragmatic reasons. Our AAC $$$ don't come close to what we make from America's Game. As AAC media revenue climbs with annual escalators...still advantage A-N. If the expanded CFP doubles/triples the money to the AAC...maybe that gets close to even.

And it's not like we're alone in this. Contracted through 2028 means that CBS cares. Seven to eight million viewers, CBS cares a lot.
The rest of college football cares a little. Chet Gladchuk -- you know the Navy AD on the CFP Committee -- came out of recent meetings saying that there has been no discussion of the expanded CFP thinking about moving on the second Saturday of December.

And that's okay for the American Athletic Conference. Indirect branding and benefit. Those seven-to-eight million viewers see the AAC logo on sweet sweet special uniforms and hear about how good the American is, and even hear some "Power 6"

So....how WOULD you make it work?

Army and Navy never play each other in an official conference standings game. This is actually LESS disruptive in the post-division structure as we have scheduled it. No one has a predictable structured rotation now anyway -- you won't even notice. I haven't mapped it out, but it won't be any harder than the years with 11 teams in the conference.
You don't do that silly thing with counting Air Force games.
Navy (and now Army) are in the same position with lack of OOC schedule flexibility, but that is what it is now.

Now you still have the pretty small chance of Army and Navy being the top two and matching up in the CCG. This is a negative -- same game two weeks in a row.

You can't just play one or the other -- one is ABC and one is CBS.
You can't NOT have your CCG on the day before playoff seedings of conference champs.
And you can't just make the CCG the A-N game: see Rule #1.

The CFP was already prepared eight years ago for an AAC champ Navy being slotted for an NY6 bowl, but still having A-N on tap. Same rules apply. In that regard it was never the big deal that Craig "Hair" Thompson tried to make it.
If anything, the expanded format might make it easier for the committee to declare things regardless of the A-N game, without even invoking the follow up teleconference like they had scheduled post-A-N when Navy was in the AAC CCG in 2016.

It is still imperfect with that chance of back-to-back matchups in December. But it is easy, especially without divisions, to just never play in conference.

Personally? I don't love it.
Though low percentage chance of a rematch it could take some luster off of the Army-Navy game.
I like having the "P6" recruiting advantages over Army and Air Force.
I don't like being the second time a conference team prepares for a similar offense when that difference is some small advantage for us. (Let's see what Army's "new" offense really is. Our "evolution" is still 2/3 the same.)
But apparently we were backing the moves on AF/CSU in 2021, so what do I know.

Not the end of the world, but I would generally prefer Army not be in the same conference with us. Let them join the MAC.