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The no votes and the implications
GoR no votes: FSU, UMD | Why? Wandering eyes.

UMD leaves the ACC

2023 expansion no votes: UNC, FSU, Clemson | Why? Wandering eyes?

FSU, Clemson, UNC leave the ACC?
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(09-01-2023 12:38 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  GoR no votes: FSU, UMD | Why? Wondering eyes.

UMD leaves the ACC

2023 expansion no votes: UNC, FSU, Clemson | Why? Wondering eyes?

FSU, Clemson, UNC leave the ACC?

I think the expression is 'wandering eyes'
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LOL...thought the same

I await GTS response with "Baited Breath" /s
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(09-01-2023 02:20 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(09-01-2023 12:38 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  GoR no votes: FSU, UMD | Why? Wondering eyes.

UMD leaves the ACC

2023 expansion no votes: UNC, FSU, Clemson | Why? Wondering eyes?

FSU, Clemson, UNC leave the ACC?

I think the expression is 'wandering eyes'


I typed it how it's said y'all.
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RE: The no votes and the implications
(09-01-2023 12:38 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  GoR no votes: FSU, UMD | Why? Wondering eyes.

UMD leaves the ACC

2023 expansion no votes: UNC, FSU, Clemson | Why? Wandering eyes?

FSU, Clemson, UNC leave the ACC?

The fact that they want to go is not exactly breaking news, is it?
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(09-01-2023 02:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  LOL...thought the same

I await GTS response with "Baited Breath" /s

I'd say this topic is more interesting, for all intensive purposes.
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(09-01-2023 12:38 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  GoR no votes: FSU, UMD | Why? Wondering eyes.

UMD leaves the ACC

2023 expansion no votes: UNC, FSU, Clemson | Why? Wandering eyes?

FSU, Clemson, UNC leave the ACC?

I believe the Maryland & FSU no vote was on increased exit fees, not the GoR. Maryland wisely escaped prior to the fools in Tallahassee and the other ACC schools signing that wretched document in 2013.
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(09-01-2023 03:39 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  I believe the Maryland & FSU no vote was on increased exit fees, not the GoR. Maryland wisely escaped prior to the fools in Tallahassee and the other ACC schools signing that wretched document in 2013.

Why don't you just choose any SEC school and cheer for it?

The constant bitterness must be exhausting. 03-yawn
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(09-01-2023 03:13 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(09-01-2023 02:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  LOL...thought the same

I await GTS response with "Baited Breath" /s

I'd say this topic is more interesting, for all intensive purposes.

Irregardless of your point...If this ACC vote used Electrical Votes you still think it passes?
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(09-01-2023 05:48 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(09-01-2023 03:39 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  I believe the Maryland & FSU no vote was on increased exit fees, not the GoR. Maryland wisely escaped prior to the fools in Tallahassee and the other ACC schools signing that wretched document in 2013.

Why don't you just choose any SEC school and cheer for it?

The constant bitterness must be exhausting. 03-yawn

Because his chosen SEC school is the University of South Carolina... hardly a break from bitterness!
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I don't see any implications.

Carolina is always a no vote on expansion unless if fully serves them and they have faculty support. In this case they get some real competition for their Olympic sports, no special treatment, and not nearly as much money as it would take to really turn their head. ND being out front sealed the deal.

State was never "against" expansion but with all things State they needed to see the money and this time make sure we were not screwed in the aftermath. Clemson knows that this is a precursor to 9 conference games.
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RE: The no votes and the implications
I don't think there are long term implications. The GOR is solid, neither FSU nor Clemson have sufficient cash to pay the exit fee and buy back their rights. UNC has the money but is not ready to lighten their wallet; whether because they like running the ACC or because they lack a solid landing spot or because the really enjoy doing anything to perturb NCState.

For the time being, everyone is mature enough to know they have to work together to move forward. FSU must also show they can play well with others, their recent behavior has has not shown their good side, it would help to remove a few mouths from their current positions.

The rewarding the winners a bit more money will placate everyone for a couple years. If the look-in goes well in a few years, then that may continue the peace.

Here's to hoping...
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(09-01-2023 08:49 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  I don't think there are long term implications. The GOR is solid, neither FSU nor Clemson have sufficient cash to pay the exit fee and buy back their rights. UNC has the money but is not ready to lighten their wallet; whether because they like running the ACC or because they lack a solid landing spot or because the really enjoy doing anything to perturb NCState.

For the time being, everyone is mature enough to know they have to work together to move forward. FSU must also show they can play well with others, their recent behavior has has not shown their good side, it would help to remove a few mouths from their current positions.

The rewarding the winners a bit more money will placate everyone for a couple years. If the look-in goes well in a few years, then that may continue the peace.

Here's to hoping...

Florida State's trustees and North Carolina's trustees are both just delivering the news.

FYI: ^The quoted commentary is how people typically try to suppress dissent, by the way. They make it taboo—'rude', 'poor taste', 'whining'—to express a different opinion. They scapegoat and caricature speakers rather than address concerns raised. They infantilise dissenters as 'tantrum' throwers in high chairs who need discipline.

It's fantasy. Just take a look at what UNC and FSU school officials have actually said about ACC revenue issues. (Does anyone click the links?) You will find a room full of real adults with real responsibilities eager to tackle real problems and express genuine concerns. They do so in a civil, if candid, ways.

Get used to it. College sport is changing and many important issues remain to discuss. University officials aren't there to take their talking points from the ad copy churned out by your favourite conference's PR department.

Richard McCullough, Florida State's president, was previously vice provost for research and professor of materials science and engineering at Harvard University. He's a Texas native, grad of Johns Hopkins, and former researcher at Carnegie Mellon.

You want to argue with him? Man up.
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I was curious of Clemson’s vote and it turned out to be a hard no.

If Clemson does leave along with FSU in 2029 or earlier, then so be it.
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Where? To do what? With what money?
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(09-01-2023 11:33 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  I was curious of Clemson’s vote and it turned out to be a hard no.

If Clemson does leave along with FSU in 2029 or earlier, then so be it.

Officials at Cal and Stanford, while delighted and relieved to find a home with the ACC, are talking about this as a 'for now' placement. Everyone expects more change.

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(09-01-2023 11:47 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  No, FSU fan-boy leadership tried to undermine the conference's stability and attempts at partially solving the very problems they were most loudly bitching about during their public clown show. FSU's leadership, beyond displaying massive hypocrisy, is just embarrassing, and their fans are too dumb to realize how pathetic it came across.

No one has to 'try to undermine the conference's stability.' Big changes are on the way.

We didn't start the fire. 07-coffee3
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(09-01-2023 07:49 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  I don't see any implications.

Carolina is always a no vote on expansion unless if fully serves them and they have faculty support. In this case they get some real competition for their Olympic sports, no special treatment, and not nearly as much money as it would take to really turn their head. ND being out front sealed the deal.

State was never "against" expansion but with all things State they needed to see the money and this time make sure we were not screwed in the aftermath. Clemson knows that this is a precursor to 9 conference games.

How is it a precursor for 9 conference games?

9 conference games is mathematically impossible with 17 members
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(09-01-2023 07:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(09-01-2023 03:13 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(09-01-2023 02:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  LOL...thought the same

I await GTS response with "Baited Breath" /s

I'd say this topic is more interesting, for all intensive purposes.

Irregardless of your point...If this ACC vote used Electrical Votes you still think it passes?

Can any one help? I am finding sources on this topic illusive.
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(09-01-2023 07:39 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-01-2023 05:48 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Why don't you just choose any SEC school and cheer for it?

The constant bitterness must be exhausting. 03-yawn

Because his chosen SEC school is the University of South Carolina... hardly a break from bitterness!
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Poor soul. Would it pep him up a bit to give him some of that chicken broth you're stirring?

Maybe not...
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