I think OP is not wrong if the B12 contract is lack luster I could see ACC infill. The ACC missed the chance to raid both the B12 and PAC early to become conference 3. OP and I have said that since the USCLA exit. I think you offer to a goal of 28 or 24
28
Coastal: FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, Pitt, LVille, NCSt
Atlantic: UNC, UVA, VT, Duke, Wake, Cuse, BC
Central: SMU, Kansas, TCU, OkSt, Baylor, Iowa St, Cincy
West: Stanford, Cal, Utah, Colorado, Arizona State, Texas Tech
24 FSU and UNC out
Coastal: UCF, Cincy, Clemson, GT, Pitt, LVille, NCSt
Atlantic: Miami, UVA, VT, Duke, Wake, Cuse, BC
Central: SMU, Kansas, TCU, OkSt, Baylor, Iowa St, Houston
West: Stanford, Cal, Utah, Colorado, Arizona State, Texas Tech

(09-01-2023 11:23 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:38 PM)krux Wrote:  I said this on the ACC board the other day. I can see this happening. Step 1 is complete and Step 2 is already in motion as some are saying Ore St and WSU prefer to rebuild the PAC.


Here's the long game.

*ACC adds SMU, Cal, Stanford
*Ore St and Wa St rebuild PAC instead of joining MWC...no GOR
*2030 rolls around B12 gets disappointing media offer. Not because of merit necessarily but because ESPN has invested in the ACC network and wants it #3.
*Clemson, FSU, UVA and Miami go to the SEC and B1G (I'm kinda getting the feeling the NC core will save the conference or die trying. They like their power position in the ACC, that's not guaranteed in the P2)
*ACC backfills with the 4 corners schools from the Big12
*ACC expands with Kansas, OK State, Iowa St, Cincy, UCF, Ore St and Wa St.
*Big 12 backfills from MWC and AAC.

ACC 24
East: BC, Cuse, Pitt, Wake, NC St, UNC, Duke, VT
Midwest: Iowa St, Louisville, GT, UCF, Kansas, Ok St, Cincy, SMU
West: Stanford, Cal, Ore St, Washington St, Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado

States added to ACCN: OH, TX, AZ, UT, CO, KS, CA, IA, OR, WA, OK... arguably MO with a Kansas add. That's big bucks for the ACC and ESPN and all day programming in all the time zones. All wrapped up in nice little regional packages.

If you go to 30 TCU, Baylor, TTech, KState, USF and BYU. In that case Louisville and GT slide to the East. USF, TCU, KState and Baylor to the Midwest. BYU and TTech to the West.

You are the one who just said I say "the most baffling crap"...???

Well the first 2 bullet points are already in the works. Everything after that is extremely possible. Explain how it isn't.

(09-02-2023 05:50 AM)krux Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:23 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:38 PM)krux Wrote:  I said this on the ACC board the other day. I can see this happening. Step 1 is complete and Step 2 is already in motion as some are saying Ore St and WSU prefer to rebuild the PAC.


Here's the long game.

*ACC adds SMU, Cal, Stanford
*Ore St and Wa St rebuild PAC instead of joining MWC...no GOR
*2030 rolls around B12 gets disappointing media offer. Not because of merit necessarily but because ESPN has invested in the ACC network and wants it #3.
*Clemson, FSU, UVA and Miami go to the SEC and B1G (I'm kinda getting the feeling the NC core will save the conference or die trying. They like their power position in the ACC, that's not guaranteed in the P2)
*ACC backfills with the 4 corners schools from the Big12
*ACC expands with Kansas, OK State, Iowa St, Cincy, UCF, Ore St and Wa St.
*Big 12 backfills from MWC and AAC.

ACC 24
East: BC, Cuse, Pitt, Wake, NC St, UNC, Duke, VT
Midwest: Iowa St, Louisville, GT, UCF, Kansas, Ok St, Cincy, SMU
West: Stanford, Cal, Ore St, Washington St, Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado

States added to ACCN: OH, TX, AZ, UT, CO, KS, CA, IA, OR, WA, OK... arguably MO with a Kansas add. That's big bucks for the ACC and ESPN and all day programming in all the time zones. All wrapped up in nice little regional packages.

If you go to 30 TCU, Baylor, TTech, KState, USF and BYU. In that case Louisville and GT slide to the East. USF, TCU, KState and Baylor to the Midwest. BYU and TTech to the West.

You are the one who just said I say "the most baffling crap"...???

Well the first 2 bullet points are already in the works. Everything after that is extremely possible. Explain how it isn't.

The Big 12 has extremely high exit fees and no one is leaving a stable Big 12 for a depleted ACC. The Big 12 will raid a depleted ACC. Don't worry though I anticipate Louisville will be in the Big 12. The Big 12 could've had standard and cal if we wanted them. We told them to take a hike.

(09-02-2023 05:50 AM)krux Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:23 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:38 PM)krux Wrote:  I said this on the ACC board the other day. I can see this happening. Step 1 is complete and Step 2 is already in motion as some are saying Ore St and WSU prefer to rebuild the PAC.


Here's the long game.

*ACC adds SMU, Cal, Stanford
*Ore St and Wa St rebuild PAC instead of joining MWC...no GOR
*2030 rolls around B12 gets disappointing media offer. Not because of merit necessarily but because ESPN has invested in the ACC network and wants it #3.
*Clemson, FSU, UVA and Miami go to the SEC and B1G (I'm kinda getting the feeling the NC core will save the conference or die trying. They like their power position in the ACC, that's not guaranteed in the P2)
*ACC backfills with the 4 corners schools from the Big12
*ACC expands with Kansas, OK State, Iowa St, Cincy, UCF, Ore St and Wa St.
*Big 12 backfills from MWC and AAC.

ACC 24
East: BC, Cuse, Pitt, Wake, NC St, UNC, Duke, VT
Midwest: Iowa St, Louisville, GT, UCF, Kansas, Ok St, Cincy, SMU
West: Stanford, Cal, Ore St, Washington St, Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado

States added to ACCN: OH, TX, AZ, UT, CO, KS, CA, IA, OR, WA, OK... arguably MO with a Kansas add. That's big bucks for the ACC and ESPN and all day programming in all the time zones. All wrapped up in nice little regional packages.

If you go to 30 TCU, Baylor, TTech, KState, USF and BYU. In that case Louisville and GT slide to the East. USF, TCU, KState and Baylor to the Midwest. BYU and TTech to the West.

You are the one who just said I say "the most baffling crap"...???

Well the first 2 bullet points are already in the works. Everything after that is extremely possible. Explain how it isn't.

Because the cable model you’re basing this on is dying. Lieterky dying in front of us right now with the spectrum dispute. Espn plus kinda stuff is the future not the ACCn. What will matter at some point is how many fans you have that will pay to watch content/not how many customers in a urban area can you force to pay.whenever the future happens having a bunch of private schools with small fan bases like wake, Stanford and bc etc won’t be helpful.

Jackson

This whole board is based on nothing but fantasy!! Bunch of posters spreading fertilizer based on "rumors" and "reports."

(09-01-2023 06:30 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 05:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  Really!
Mine is a lot bigger than yours.....


The truth is that the situation is fluid, and regardless of what you hear and read, nobody really knows which conference is going to come out on top or finish fourth.

Things really won't get sorted out for another 6 or 8 years, in the mean time I'll continue to use a yardstick while you still use a ruler.

Use a yardstick for what? The 3m people who annually watch the ACC CCG? BYU-Baylor nearly got that many eyeballs in week 2 last season. Perhaps you need a microscope instead of a yardstick.

Annually? Lol what a joke. Cherry pick hot take again

‘95, what’s the over-under with the divisions gone?

(09-02-2023 08:05 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 05:50 AM)krux Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:23 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:38 PM)krux Wrote:  I said this on the ACC board the other day. I can see this happening. Step 1 is complete and Step 2 is already in motion as some are saying Ore St and WSU prefer to rebuild the PAC.


Here's the long game.

*ACC adds SMU, Cal, Stanford
*Ore St and Wa St rebuild PAC instead of joining MWC...no GOR
*2030 rolls around B12 gets disappointing media offer. Not because of merit necessarily but because ESPN has invested in the ACC network and wants it #3.
*Clemson, FSU, UVA and Miami go to the SEC and B1G (I'm kinda getting the feeling the NC core will save the conference or die trying. They like their power position in the ACC, that's not guaranteed in the P2)
*ACC backfills with the 4 corners schools from the Big12
*ACC expands with Kansas, OK State, Iowa St, Cincy, UCF, Ore St and Wa St.
*Big 12 backfills from MWC and AAC.

ACC 24
East: BC, Cuse, Pitt, Wake, NC St, UNC, Duke, VT
Midwest: Iowa St, Louisville, GT, UCF, Kansas, Ok St, Cincy, SMU
West: Stanford, Cal, Ore St, Washington St, Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado

States added to ACCN: OH, TX, AZ, UT, CO, KS, CA, IA, OR, WA, OK... arguably MO with a Kansas add. That's big bucks for the ACC and ESPN and all day programming in all the time zones. All wrapped up in nice little regional packages.

If you go to 30 TCU, Baylor, TTech, KState, USF and BYU. In that case Louisville and GT slide to the East. USF, TCU, KState and Baylor to the Midwest. BYU and TTech to the West.

You are the one who just said I say "the most baffling crap"...???

Well the first 2 bullet points are already in the works. Everything after that is extremely possible. Explain how it isn't.

Because the cable model you’re basing this on is dying. Lieterky dying in front of us right now with the spectrum dispute. Espn plus kinda stuff is the future not the ACCn. What will matter at some point is how many fans you have that will pay to watch content/not how many customers in a urban area can you force to pay.whenever the future happens having a bunch of private schools with small fan bases like wake, Stanford and bc etc won’t be helpful.

Jackson

Stanford and BC have decent sized followings and are perfect fits in the ACC

Are they Penn State and Nebraska? No. Do they need to be? Also no

(09-02-2023 08:16 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 08:05 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 05:50 AM)krux Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:23 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:38 PM)krux Wrote:  I said this on the ACC board the other day. I can see this happening. Step 1 is complete and Step 2 is already in motion as some are saying Ore St and WSU prefer to rebuild the PAC.


Here's the long game.

*ACC adds SMU, Cal, Stanford
*Ore St and Wa St rebuild PAC instead of joining MWC...no GOR
*2030 rolls around B12 gets disappointing media offer. Not because of merit necessarily but because ESPN has invested in the ACC network and wants it #3.
*Clemson, FSU, UVA and Miami go to the SEC and B1G (I'm kinda getting the feeling the NC core will save the conference or die trying. They like their power position in the ACC, that's not guaranteed in the P2)
*ACC backfills with the 4 corners schools from the Big12
*ACC expands with Kansas, OK State, Iowa St, Cincy, UCF, Ore St and Wa St.
*Big 12 backfills from MWC and AAC.

ACC 24
East: BC, Cuse, Pitt, Wake, NC St, UNC, Duke, VT
Midwest: Iowa St, Louisville, GT, UCF, Kansas, Ok St, Cincy, SMU
West: Stanford, Cal, Ore St, Washington St, Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado

States added to ACCN: OH, TX, AZ, UT, CO, KS, CA, IA, OR, WA, OK... arguably MO with a Kansas add. That's big bucks for the ACC and ESPN and all day programming in all the time zones. All wrapped up in nice little regional packages.

If you go to 30 TCU, Baylor, TTech, KState, USF and BYU. In that case Louisville and GT slide to the East. USF, TCU, KState and Baylor to the Midwest. BYU and TTech to the West.

You are the one who just said I say "the most baffling crap"...???

Well the first 2 bullet points are already in the works. Everything after that is extremely possible. Explain how it isn't.

Because the cable model you’re basing this on is dying. Lieterky dying in front of us right now with the spectrum dispute. Espn plus kinda stuff is the future not the ACCn. What will matter at some point is how many fans you have that will pay to watch content/not how many customers in a urban area can you force to pay.whenever the future happens having a bunch of private schools with small fan bases like wake, Stanford and bc etc won’t be helpful.

Jackson

Stanford and BC have decent sized followings and are perfect fits in the ACC

Are they Penn State and Nebraska? No. Do they need to be? Also no

I agree. The acc model is moving towards urban, private schools with great academics. The fan bases for those schools are below average for the p4. Jus don’t tell me these private schools are going to tidal wave the XII once Clemson, fsu , Carolina and perhaps a few others leave.

All I’m trying to say is when fan base/paying customer size matters, I’d rather ride with Texas tech, Iowa st and wvu over Stanford, wake and BC

Jackson

I would say the best move for the ACC is to add all the big 12 + 2 more western adds right now so they can create 4 divisions of 9 based off geography. My 2 westerns adds would be San Diego state and Gonzaga. Each division would basically serve as a stand alone conference for all sports with no cross over. For football the 2 divisions with 9 football schools, could play 1 crossover game while the 2 divisions with 8 football schools could play 2 cross over games so everyone plays 9 games. With the GOR, things are locked down for a decade or so, than I’d think the big 10 and or SEC would make a play for some schools. Post any large big or SEC raid, long term plan would be to have a 32 team conference with 4 divisions of 8 spread across the country. Thus, the ACC would guarantee itself to be the best of the rest a notch below the big 10/sec.

(09-02-2023 08:29 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 08:16 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 08:05 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 05:50 AM)krux Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:23 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  You are the one who just said I say "the most baffling crap"...???

Well the first 2 bullet points are already in the works. Everything after that is extremely possible. Explain how it isn't.

Because the cable model you’re basing this on is dying. Lieterky dying in front of us right now with the spectrum dispute. Espn plus kinda stuff is the future not the ACCn. What will matter at some point is how many fans you have that will pay to watch content/not how many customers in a urban area can you force to pay.whenever the future happens having a bunch of private schools with small fan bases like wake, Stanford and bc etc won’t be helpful.

Jackson

Stanford and BC have decent sized followings and are perfect fits in the ACC

Are they Penn State and Nebraska? No. Do they need to be? Also no

I agree. The acc model is moving towards urban, private schools with great academics. The fan bases for those schools are below average for the p4. Jus don’t tell me these private schools are going to tidal wave the XII once Clemson, fsu , Carolina and perhaps a few others leave.

All I’m trying to say is when fan base/paying customer size matters, I’d rather ride with Texas tech, Iowa st and wvu over Stanford, wake and BC

Jackson

It’s true the football attendance at Stanford and Cal is not that great.

But don’t underestimate the implication of acadmic side. The academic powerhouse attracts the academic minded schools.

All things equal, Standord and Cal attract Utah and ASU much more than the other way around.

(09-02-2023 01:11 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 08:29 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 08:16 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 08:05 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 05:50 AM)krux Wrote:  Well the first 2 bullet points are already in the works. Everything after that is extremely possible. Explain how it isn't.

Because the cable model you’re basing this on is dying. Lieterky dying in front of us right now with the spectrum dispute. Espn plus kinda stuff is the future not the ACCn. What will matter at some point is how many fans you have that will pay to watch content/not how many customers in a urban area can you force to pay.whenever the future happens having a bunch of private schools with small fan bases like wake, Stanford and bc etc won’t be helpful.

Jackson

Stanford and BC have decent sized followings and are perfect fits in the ACC

Are they Penn State and Nebraska? No. Do they need to be? Also no

I agree. The acc model is moving towards urban, private schools with great academics. The fan bases for those schools are below average for the p4. Jus don’t tell me these private schools are going to tidal wave the XII once Clemson, fsu , Carolina and perhaps a few others leave.

All I’m trying to say is when fan base/paying customer size matters, I’d rather ride with Texas tech, Iowa st and wvu over Stanford, wake and BC

Jackson

It’s true the football attendance at Stanford and Cal is not that great.

But don’t underestimate the implication of acadmic side. The academic powerhouse attracts the academic minded schools.

All things equal, Standord and Cal attract Utah and ASU much more than the other way around.

Lol, yes they were so enamored with Stanford and Cal academics they left them to go the BigXII

(09-02-2023 01:23 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 01:11 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 08:29 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 08:16 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 08:05 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Because the cable model you’re basing this on is dying. Lieterky dying in front of us right now with the spectrum dispute. Espn plus kinda stuff is the future not the ACCn. What will matter at some point is how many fans you have that will pay to watch content/not how many customers in a urban area can you force to pay.whenever the future happens having a bunch of private schools with small fan bases like wake, Stanford and bc etc won’t be helpful.

Jackson

Stanford and BC have decent sized followings and are perfect fits in the ACC

Are they Penn State and Nebraska? No. Do they need to be? Also no

I agree. The acc model is moving towards urban, private schools with great academics. The fan bases for those schools are below average for the p4. Jus don’t tell me these private schools are going to tidal wave the XII once Clemson, fsu , Carolina and perhaps a few others leave.

All I’m trying to say is when fan base/paying customer size matters, I’d rather ride with Texas tech, Iowa st and wvu over Stanford, wake and BC

Jackson

It’s true the football attendance at Stanford and Cal is not that great.

But don’t underestimate the implication of acadmic side. The academic powerhouse attracts the academic minded schools.

All things equal, Standord and Cal attract Utah and ASU much more than the other way around.

Lol, yes they were so enamored with Stanford and Cal academics they left them to go the BigXII

Do you think they would still have gone to the BigXII if money and exposure were same? Really?

The networks basically spent a bunch of money to drop OSU and WSU and with them one conference. When it comes to the B12 and a decapitated ACC, if the networks are still driving the bus, it could come down to which conference’s bottom tier is the worst and most in need of being relegated.

OSU and WSU were the two weakest value programs in the P5. I think BC and Wake hold that position now. If the B12 doesn’t get carved up at the end of its current contract, I’d wager it’s the ACC that gets carved up as their contract expires. Which conference ends up persisting is only relevant to the OSU, WSU, WF, BC tier of schools.

(09-02-2023 05:16 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 01:23 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 01:11 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 08:29 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 08:16 AM)esayem Wrote:  Stanford and BC have decent sized followings and are perfect fits in the ACC

Are they Penn State and Nebraska? No. Do they need to be? Also no

I agree. The acc model is moving towards urban, private schools with great academics. The fan bases for those schools are below average for the p4. Jus don’t tell me these private schools are going to tidal wave the XII once Clemson, fsu , Carolina and perhaps a few others leave.

All I’m trying to say is when fan base/paying customer size matters, I’d rather ride with Texas tech, Iowa st and wvu over Stanford, wake and BC

Jackson

It’s true the football attendance at Stanford and Cal is not that great.

But don’t underestimate the implication of acadmic side. The academic powerhouse attracts the academic minded schools.

All things equal, Standord and Cal attract Utah and ASU much more than the other way around.

Lol, yes they were so enamored with Stanford and Cal academics they left them to go the BigXII

Do you think they would still have gone to the BigXII if money and exposure were same? Really?

Well to start, the exposure is already the same, and in the long run the money would probably have been even a little better in the ACC. They went to the BigXII because they are a stable and secure conference. The ACC has at least 3 schools looking to leave and potentially many more. It would be pretty stupid to jump from one sinking ship to another. Don't fool yourself, Stanford and Cal are in the ACC because the B1G didn't want them and the Bay area snobs couldn't live with themselves if they joined the BigXII, which is actually pathetic. This was a move of pure desperation by all parties involved.

(09-02-2023 07:24 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 05:16 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 01:23 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 01:11 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 08:29 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  I agree. The acc model is moving towards urban, private schools with great academics. The fan bases for those schools are below average for the p4. Jus don’t tell me these private schools are going to tidal wave the XII once Clemson, fsu , Carolina and perhaps a few others leave.

All I’m trying to say is when fan base/paying customer size matters, I’d rather ride with Texas tech, Iowa st and wvu over Stanford, wake and BC

Jackson

It’s true the football attendance at Stanford and Cal is not that great.

But don’t underestimate the implication of acadmic side. The academic powerhouse attracts the academic minded schools.

All things equal, Standord and Cal attract Utah and ASU much more than the other way around.

Lol, yes they were so enamored with Stanford and Cal academics they left them to go the BigXII

Do you think they would still have gone to the BigXII if money and exposure were same? Really?

Well to start, the exposure is already the same, and in the long run the money would probably have been even a little better in the ACC. They went to the BigXII because they are a stable and secure conference. The ACC has at least 3 schools looking to leave and potentially many more. It would be pretty stupid to jump from one sinking ship to another. Don't fool yourself, Stanford and Cal are in the ACC because the B1G didn't want them and the Bay area snobs couldn't live with themselves if they joined the BigXII, which is actually pathetic. This was a move of pure desperation by all parties involved.

I was comparing the B12 with the Pac because you said the 4C schools left Stanford and Cal (which were in the Pac when they decides to leave) to go to the B12. So let me ask you again. If the Pac got the same media deal as the B12 is getting, which conference would the 4C schools have chosen?

Now let’s think about this. If Washington had to leave the Pac and the B10 didn’t want them, would Washington have joined the B12?

Or would they have considered the ACC along with UO, Stanford, and Cal?

(09-02-2023 11:09 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 07:24 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 05:16 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 01:23 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 01:11 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It’s true the football attendance at Stanford and Cal is not that great.

But don’t underestimate the implication of acadmic side. The academic powerhouse attracts the academic minded schools.

All things equal, Standord and Cal attract Utah and ASU much more than the other way around.

Lol, yes they were so enamored with Stanford and Cal academics they left them to go the BigXII

Do you think they would still have gone to the BigXII if money and exposure were same? Really?

Well to start, the exposure is already the same, and in the long run the money would probably have been even a little better in the ACC. They went to the BigXII because they are a stable and secure conference. The ACC has at least 3 schools looking to leave and potentially many more. It would be pretty stupid to jump from one sinking ship to another. Don't fool yourself, Stanford and Cal are in the ACC because the B1G didn't want them and the Bay area snobs couldn't live with themselves if they joined the BigXII, which is actually pathetic. This was a move of pure desperation by all parties involved.

I was comparing the B12 with the Pac because you said the 4C schools left Stanford and Cal (which were in the Pac when they decides to leave) to go to the B12. So let me ask you again. If the Pac got the same media deal as the B12 is getting, which conference would the 4C schools have chosen?

Now let’s think about this. If Washington had to leave the Pac and the B10 didn’t want them, would Washington have joined the B12?

Or would they have considered the ACC along with UO, Stanford, and Cal?

It's strange that you were talking about the ACC getting some of the 4c schools in the future because of Stanford/Cal and academics, and then tell me you were referring to the PAC when you were talking about money and exposure? Whatever, if the PAC had received a comparable or better number than the BigXII no one would have left the conference this cycle, but that was never going to happen.

I'm not going to play in lala land to much because the B1G always wanted Washington but just to humor you, I'm already on record here saying my Dawgs would not join the BigXII.

My point still stands and you're playing in hypotheticals.

(09-03-2023 12:04 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 11:09 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 07:24 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 05:16 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 01:23 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Lol, yes they were so enamored with Stanford and Cal academics they left them to go the BigXII

Do you think they would still have gone to the BigXII if money and exposure were same? Really?

Well to start, the exposure is already the same, and in the long run the money would probably have been even a little better in the ACC. They went to the BigXII because they are a stable and secure conference. The ACC has at least 3 schools looking to leave and potentially many more. It would be pretty stupid to jump from one sinking ship to another. Don't fool yourself, Stanford and Cal are in the ACC because the B1G didn't want them and the Bay area snobs couldn't live with themselves if they joined the BigXII, which is actually pathetic. This was a move of pure desperation by all parties involved.

I was comparing the B12 with the Pac because you said the 4C schools left Stanford and Cal (which were in the Pac when they decides to leave) to go to the B12. So let me ask you again. If the Pac got the same media deal as the B12 is getting, which conference would the 4C schools have chosen?

Now let’s think about this. If Washington had to leave the Pac and the B10 didn’t want them, would Washington have joined the B12?

Or would they have considered the ACC along with UO, Stanford, and Cal?

It's strange that you were talking about the ACC getting some of the 4c schools in the future because of Stanford/Cal and academics, and then tell me you were referring to the PAC when you were talking about money and exposure? Whatever, if the PAC had received a comparable or better number than the BigXII no one would have left the conference this cycle, but that was never going to happen.

I'm not going to play in lala land to much because the B1G always wanted Washington but just to humor you, I'm already on record here saying my Dawgs would not join the BigXII.

My point still stands and you're playing in hypotheticals.

As you said, I agree Washingon would never join the B12. It’s just not an appealing option for UW.

So I am not sure why Stanford and Cal’s refusal to join the B12 and their move to the ACC is pathetic, but my whole point is that the ACC is a much more attractive option than the B12 for academic minded schools.

I am not sure how your point stands but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

(09-03-2023 11:52 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-03-2023 12:04 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 11:09 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 07:24 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 05:16 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Do you think they would still have gone to the BigXII if money and exposure were same? Really?

Well to start, the exposure is already the same, and in the long run the money would probably have been even a little better in the ACC. They went to the BigXII because they are a stable and secure conference. The ACC has at least 3 schools looking to leave and potentially many more. It would be pretty stupid to jump from one sinking ship to another. Don't fool yourself, Stanford and Cal are in the ACC because the B1G didn't want them and the Bay area snobs couldn't live with themselves if they joined the BigXII, which is actually pathetic. This was a move of pure desperation by all parties involved.

I was comparing the B12 with the Pac because you said the 4C schools left Stanford and Cal (which were in the Pac when they decides to leave) to go to the B12. So let me ask you again. If the Pac got the same media deal as the B12 is getting, which conference would the 4C schools have chosen?

Now let’s think about this. If Washington had to leave the Pac and the B10 didn’t want them, would Washington have joined the B12?

Or would they have considered the ACC along with UO, Stanford, and Cal?

It's strange that you were talking about the ACC getting some of the 4c schools in the future because of Stanford/Cal and academics, and then tell me you were referring to the PAC when you were talking about money and exposure? Whatever, if the PAC had received a comparable or better number than the BigXII no one would have left the conference this cycle, but that was never going to happen.

I'm not going to play in lala land to much because the B1G always wanted Washington but just to humor you, I'm already on record here saying my Dawgs would not join the BigXII.

My point still stands and you're playing in hypotheticals.

As you said, I agree Washingon would never join the B12. It’s just not an appealing option for UW.

So I am not sure why Stanford and Cal’s refusal to join the B12 and their move to the ACC is pathetic, but my whole point is that the ACC is a much more attractive option than the B12 for academic minded schools.

I am not sure how your point stands but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Well Cal/Stanford are pathetic because they would never consider going to the BigXII and they should have. In private the Bay area schools have railed against mingling with the schools in the BigXII. Although I said U-Dub would not join the BigXII, I have heard from someone I trust that they absolutely considered it. There's only 3 schools in the old PAC that would never consider the BigXII, USC, Stanford, and Cal.

My points that still stand, the 4c are never following the Bay area schools to the ACC because of some kind of academic attraction. The marriage of Cal, Stanford, SMU, and the ACC are moves of desperation, the ACC knows they'll be losing at least 3 schools in the next few years. Lastly, the 3 new schools wanted to remain/become relevant and had no better way than to join the ACC, they wanted the PAC to survive 1st and invitations to the B1G next.

I want you to know I'm not trying to bag on the ACC, as someone who just watched my conference fall apart I can tell you it sucks. I see the same happening to yours in the years to come and it's unfortunate. My whole point to our conversation is that your 3 new adds aren't going to stop that and they might actually accelerate the process. I wish you luck my friend and I hope your school ends up with a seat at the table.

(09-03-2023 11:52 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-03-2023 12:04 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 11:09 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 07:24 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 05:16 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Do you think they would still have gone to the BigXII if money and exposure were same? Really?

Well to start, the exposure is already the same, and in the long run the money would probably have been even a little better in the ACC. They went to the BigXII because they are a stable and secure conference. The ACC has at least 3 schools looking to leave and potentially many more. It would be pretty stupid to jump from one sinking ship to another. Don't fool yourself, Stanford and Cal are in the ACC because the B1G didn't want them and the Bay area snobs couldn't live with themselves if they joined the BigXII, which is actually pathetic. This was a move of pure desperation by all parties involved.

I was comparing the B12 with the Pac because you said the 4C schools left Stanford and Cal (which were in the Pac when they decides to leave) to go to the B12. So let me ask you again. If the Pac got the same media deal as the B12 is getting, which conference would the 4C schools have chosen?

Now let’s think about this. If Washington had to leave the Pac and the B10 didn’t want them, would Washington have joined the B12?

Or would they have considered the ACC along with UO, Stanford, and Cal?

It's strange that you were talking about the ACC getting some of the 4c schools in the future because of Stanford/Cal and academics, and then tell me you were referring to the PAC when you were talking about money and exposure? Whatever, if the PAC had received a comparable or better number than the BigXII no one would have left the conference this cycle, but that was never going to happen.

I'm not going to play in lala land to much because the B1G always wanted Washington but just to humor you, I'm already on record here saying my Dawgs would not join the BigXII.

My point still stands and you're playing in hypotheticals.

As you said, I agree Washingon would never join the B12. It’s just not an appealing option for UW.

So I am not sure why Stanford and Cal’s refusal to join the B12 and their move to the ACC is pathetic, but my whole point is that the ACC is a much more attractive option than the B12 for academic minded schools.

I am not sure how your point stands but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Stanford and Cal didn't refuse to join the Big 12. They tried to after the 4Cs left. The Big 12 wasn't interested in them. The ACC was the only one willing to take them.

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