(09-01-2023 02:47 PM)hburg Wrote:  VT is a shell of its former self.

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True........

but rape accusations are down significantly and you're not reading about quarterbacks beating up their girlfriends anymore.

Which is better?

(09-01-2023 03:47 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  My first thought after reading that NCSU flipped their vote was that they severely harmed their relationship with UNC. That being said, I'm not so sure that this matters much.

My second thought is this: what happens next?

If the ACC does not lose any members anytime soon then I fully expect them to attempt a raid of the B12 with the 4Cs being at the top of the list. If they do lose members, much depends on how many they lose; do they backfill from the AAC, the MWC and the Sunbelt? Does the B12 raid the ACC?

If UNC, Clemson and FSU are able to exit the conference by successfully challenging the GOR then others will surely follow.

Not sure about your other question, but as for NC State, I think they did expansion to throw Wake Forest a bone, since it looks like WFU isn't going to get a P2 invite.

(09-01-2023 04:54 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:47 PM)hburg Wrote:  VT is a shell of its former self.

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True........

but rape accusations are down significantly and you're not reading about quarterbacks beating up their girlfriends anymore.

Which is better?

Not like the Big XII cares much about that.

(09-01-2023 12:17 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

Anybody recall how things worked out for the Pac-12 when its commissioner and presidents did it their way?

I said something about AAU the other day and got heat for it, interesting that some of the Athletics dept people are saying that to VT reporter.

FWIW, there are a whole lot of reasons other than "this gives us a 1% or 51% greater chance of making it into the AAU" for VT and everyone else to support this. In fact, looking at VT's very low athletic revenues, $5m or so could really come in handy for them, much more so than for FSU and Clemson. They need to start beefing up for the SEC, not complaining about trips to beat up on Calford.

AAU status is far more important to a school than athletics. Research elitism feeds the faculty, who are the President's primary constituency.

(09-01-2023 02:30 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  As I’ve long suspected, NCSU and VaTech are seeking AAU, which could ironically help athletics from a B1G expansion standpoint. I had VaTech in the B1G should they lose UVa to the SEC. VaTech dominates the mid Atlantic region south of College Park and north of Chapel Hill, and is still the number one brand in that region.

Want to know something even weirder? VT in the AAU actually increases their odds for the SEC. As things stand now, we could take UVA and lock the B1G out of the State with one move. If VT was a viable B1G candidate, and we're just looking at which school is a better fit for the SEC, then I'm 100% in favor of VT, and I suspect that many SEC fans and administrators would agree with me.

(09-01-2023 02:47 PM)hburg Wrote:  VT is a shell of its former self.

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So was Clemson for 3 decades, but, like VT, they kept selling out that big stadium even during the lean years. A Big Brand isn't just really Big when things are going well, but it still draws big fan interest when the team is 4-8 every year for 5 years. If VT joined the SEC they'd bump the stadium up to 75-80k and keep selling it out every game. I'd hope (and expect) that we could get them as an annual rival, too.

(09-01-2023 03:30 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  The ADs didn't want Penn St. in the Big 10. They often get overruled.

The ADs were neither consulted nor informed that inviting Penn State was even a possibility. They were informed after it was a done deal.

Hardly. It took Delany 6 months to get everyone back on board after PSU foolishly leaked the news. The ADs were worried that PSU would hurt their job prospects. The Athletic Dept at VT is (reasonably imo) worried about taking 3k mile trips to SF several times a year for various sports. However, the President sees the ~ $5m a year in bonus income and the enhanced prospects for remaining in a strong and stable ACC if their P2 hopes don't pan out, and the cherry on top is Calford's great academics. The extra travel kind of sucks for most of the ACC schools, and I'd wager that most of the ADs were lukewarm at best on the move b/c of that, but it was still a good move financially in the short term and for stability in the long term for the Conference and every school in it.

(09-01-2023 04:54 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:47 PM)hburg Wrote:  VT is a shell of its former self.

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True........

but rape accusations are down significantly and you're not reading about quarterbacks beating up their girlfriends anymore.

Which is better?

You guys have any new no show A classes these days? I'm asking for a friend.

(09-01-2023 05:09 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:47 PM)hburg Wrote:  VT is a shell of its former self.

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So was Clemson for 3 decades, but, like VT, they kept selling out that big stadium even during the lean years. A Big Brand isn't just really Big when things are going well, but it still draws big fan interest when the team is 4-8 every year for 5 years. If VT joined the SEC they'd bump the stadium up to 75-80k and keep selling it out every game. I'd hope (and expect) that we could get them as an annual rival, too.

You would, in the SEC. Only the ACC leaves no-brainer games like that on the table and sends you up North again. VT-A&M would be an awesome annual game with the strong corps of cadets tradition at both schools!

(09-01-2023 05:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  AAU status is far more important to a school than athletics. Research elitism feeds the faculty, who are the President's primary constituency.

AAU status is also very difficult to obtain. Within the SEC,only a handful of the OG (old guard=think pre-TAMU expansion) have it. ARWU status is a more realistic goal, IMO.

(09-01-2023 12:25 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 12:17 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

Anybody recall how things worked out for the Pac-12 when its commissioner and presidents did it their way?

Soooo.

VT isn't happy about this either...

Then the Athletics ppl should have excelled enough to become a President.

(09-01-2023 02:23 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Wow. If that's true, this could spell doom for the ACC.

How? VT going to come up with a $1B tmrw?

(09-01-2023 02:30 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  As I’ve long suspected, NCSU and VaTech are seeking AAU, which could ironically help athletics from a B1G expansion standpoint. I had VaTech in the B1G should they lose UVa to the SEC. VaTech dominates the mid Atlantic region south of College Park and north of Chapel Hill, and is still the number one brand in that region.

No chance of VT to B10.

(09-01-2023 03:34 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Not surprising, check out VA Tech President Tim Sands wiki page -

"Sands earned his B.S. with Highest Honors in Engineering Physics in 1980, his M.S. in Material Science and Engineering in 1981, and his Ph.D. in Material Science and Engineering in 1984, all from the University of California, Berkeley"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Sands

Anyway, VA Tech should do everything they can to position themselves for an SEC invitation. I think they would be a great fit and we'll regret it if we take UVA to get into Virginia (especially if paired with UNC).

Right, so he's educated unlike the ppl running Athletics.

(09-02-2023 12:13 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:30 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  As I’ve long suspected, NCSU and VaTech are seeking AAU, which could ironically help athletics from a B1G expansion standpoint. I had VaTech in the B1G should they lose UVa to the SEC. VaTech dominates the mid Atlantic region south of College Park and north of Chapel Hill, and is still the number one brand in that region.

No chance of VT to B10.

Still ahead of Duke and GaTech though. B1G wants football brands over everything else.

(09-02-2023 03:57 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 12:13 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:30 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  As I’ve long suspected, NCSU and VaTech are seeking AAU, which could ironically help athletics from a B1G expansion standpoint. I had VaTech in the B1G should they lose UVa to the SEC. VaTech dominates the mid Atlantic region south of College Park and north of Chapel Hill, and is still the number one brand in that region.

No chance of VT to B10.

Still ahead of Duke and GaTech though. B1G wants football brands over everything else.

bolded - What's your evidence for that?

I ask because - so far - they also seem to like new markets (for eyeballs, and recruiting), AAU/academics, and basketball.

So I think Duke is likely a top pick.

But I'll agree that for the several schools that seem to be "near AAU", gaining it could help them in realignment - though to prove that, we should watch what, if anything, happens with USF...

(09-02-2023 12:10 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 12:25 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 12:17 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

Anybody recall how things worked out for the Pac-12 when its commissioner and presidents did it their way?

Soooo.

VT isn't happy about this either...

Then the Athletics ppl should have excelled enough to become a President.

My point was that if the dissenting 3 are looking for a 4th, VT might be a willing option...

(09-01-2023 02:22 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  I though academics didnt matter anymore. Hmmm

It obviously doesn't. VT's President could care less about over 300 kids who attend his current school that now have to travel from coast to coast during the week and miss more academic class time. All so he can attempt to use political favor to gain a prestigious label, that most outside of academia could care less about. So the real question is, did he do this for VT? or for himself?

(09-01-2023 06:38 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 05:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  AAU status is far more important to a school than athletics. Research elitism feeds the faculty, who are the President's primary constituency.

AAU status is also very difficult to obtain. Within the SEC,only a handful of the OG (old guard=think pre-TAMU expansion) have it. ARWU status is a more realistic goal, IMO.

Definitely not easy, but not impossible. 71 schools are AAU members, all but two are in the U.S. https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members