(09-01-2023 11:15 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:10 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:56 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:49 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:40 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  Why trade places if you get zero revenue and are NEVER going to play for an ACC championship in football? They just became the Rutgers of the ACC. NO! I wouldn’t trade places w them under the terms they agreed to. The ACC will be a shell of itself in a couple years. And I don’t care about basketball in this scenario.

Wrong again. SMU will have more revenue from CFP and NCAA tourney distributions in the ACC than we will earn from our media deal. And they will sell a lot more tickets at higher prices hosting ACC teams than than our weak AAC.

And sorry, your position of not trading places is absurd. You wouldn't trade positions if we had boosters willing to make up the difference in the media deal? You care that much about how rich boosters spend their money?

And I'm sure you were one of the ones a few days ago saying the ACC is about to dissolve, which is also absurd. Florida State and Clemson are stuck, they signed over their GOR. I would gladly worry what might happen in 2036 over what we will now be dealing with for the next 13 years.

Good news is we won't have to worry about traffic or concession lines, because there are going to be a lot of 15,000 or less actual butts in seats home games in our future.

Ha! I don’t care how boosters spend their $$$$. SMU’s want to do that, so be it. But a lot can change financially in 10 years. And the ACC will look completely different in a few years. FSU, Clemson and UNC want out.

And they are bitching and moaning because they can't get out. You think the conference is going to let them out of their GOR because they are sad? The other ACC schools, all 12, just totally ignored their whining by adding Cal, Stanford and SMU.

And Florida State and Clemson might find out they aren't in that much demand anyway. Florida and South Carolina will probably band together to block them joining the SEC, and the SEC might not want them anyway because they already have those states.

Big 10 is at 18 now. I haven't seen anything saying that they have plans to grow bigger anytime soon.

You guys mocking SMU are just cheering for the ACC to break up because they had no interest in us.

Nope. Just think it will. I know people in the Athletic Department’s at UNC and FSU and they are working on ways to get out. Period. But carry on.

It’s a brilliant move by SMU to get out of the AAC dung heap. While they’re not sharing the ACC’s media money, they’ll still receive revenue which gets them at least close to equal with the AAC. They’ve got the money. While football would be great, could you imagine playing basketball with UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse, and……. Wow! Tickets would be priced higher (more revenue) to both sports. Again, a brilliant move.
FSU and Clemson might want out, but the GOR seems to be tough to get around. And if they find a way out and some other teams get picked off, the shell of the ACC would be so incredibly better than what we have. The new AAC is C-USA part 2. We’ve lost 4 of our best 6 and replaced them with Charlotte, Rice, UNT, FAU, and UTSA. What a downgrade in all sports. Not only are we loosing out in football, the AAC is a terrible basketball conference. FAU’s one year rise won’t last.

Memphis (and the AAC) is reactionary. Never forward-thinking. Investment in a stadium (or a huge LB reno) 10-15 years ago might have been a difference maker. I hope we are reaching out to the PAC 2, best of the AAC, and best of the MWC to see if we can start a new conference out of the PAC. There is absolutely no future in the AAC, and I think we need some bold thinking to get us out of this mess. It’ll just kill our athletics. Who in the AAC excites you and wants to make you buy a ticket?

The Truth: None of the major conferences want us for whatever constructed reason du jour that folks seem to come up with from time to time. Here we are.

The Reality: There is no calvary coming to rescue us.

Competing Options: 1) Just quit trying and give up. The Tigers in this group have been disappointed repeatedly many, many times while watching all our peers move up to the big leagues regardless of how much time and effort we put into resolving our perceived shortcomings and regardless of how much we have won on the field: (See records against former peers.)

Option 2). Accept our status quo and just roll with it. The Tigers in this group appear to have entered the Acceptance phase of this most current mess and recognize that regardless of our competition level our school is still our school and deserves our support and allegiance. They are not wrong about the last part

Option 3) Pick ourselves back up and continue to fight. Commit to continue to grow both athletically and academically (sp?) regardless of what other institutions do or do not do. The Tigers in this group actually believe the oft mentioned and always popular "Us Against Everybody" mantra.

The Key (for now): Over the years being a Tiger fan has been something like being on one of those really daunting roller coasters. We've been up and down and all around and seemingly always coming right back to where we started. Which brings into focus the old "Doing what you always have been doing will get you exactly what you have always been getting" thing. So...just stop dancing to the tune of all those conferences that consistently reject us while placing those never ending stumbling blocks in front of us. Grow a pair and set out on a real Best of the Rest journey. It's not only the best option - it apparently is our only option and alternative to moving forward with any semblance of relevance in the college athletic world that wants to ignore us.

Just a humble opinion of course and God Bless Tigers everywhere.

(09-02-2023 08:37 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  The Truth: None of the major conferences want us for whatever constructed reason du jour that folks seem to come up with from time to time. Here we are.

The Reality: There is no calvary coming to rescue us.

Competing Options: 1) Just quit trying and give up. The Tigers in this group have been disappointed repeatedly many, many times while watching all our peers move up to the big leagues regardless of how much time and effort we put into resolving our perceived shortcomings and regardless of how much we have won on the field: (See records against former peers.)

Option 2). Accept our status quo and just roll with it. The Tigers in this group appear to have entered the Acceptance phase of this most current mess and recognize that regardless of our competition level our school is still our school and deserves our support and allegiance. They are not wrong about the last part

Option 3) Pick ourselves back up and continue to fight. Commit to continue to grow both athletically and academically (sp?) regardless of what other institutions do or do not do. The Tigers in this group actually believe the oft mentioned and always popular "Us Against Everybody" mantra.

The Key (for now): Over the years being a Tiger fan has been something like being on one of those really daunting roller coasters. We've been up and down and all around and seemingly always coming right back to where we started. Which brings into focus the old "Doing what you always have been doing will get you exactly what you have always been getting" thing. So...just stop dancing to the tune of all those conferences that consistently reject us while placing those never ending stumbling blocks in front of us. Grow a pair and set out on a real Best of the Rest journey. It's not only the best option - it apparently is our only option and alternative to moving forward with any semblance of relevance in the college athletic world that wants to ignore us.

Just a humble opinion of course and God Bless Tigers everywhere.

Option 4: Seek an alliance with other schools that have been left out. Form a super conference of left behinds. Memphis, Tulane, USF, OSU, WSU, Boise, SDSU, CSU, AFA, etc. We’re #6 now and the MWC has surpassed us, and will get better if OSU and WSU join up. It’s time to get bold here or languish in the AAC with the other losers.

(09-01-2023 10:14 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  ...

Best case is that the nPAC decides to take 4-6 AAC teams and Memphis is one of them.

Same 'best of the rest' concept except the MW is leading instead of the AAC.
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Why? Why does the MWC want to add us and Tulane? and Navy? and Temple? and Tulsa maybe? What kind of sense does that make for them?

(09-01-2023 10:53 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  ..

Yep, that is the big red flag to me... they go 7 years without media payments and the ACC crumbles around them in that 7 year period. When they do start taking payments, it isnt anything like they planned.

Also, we hold tight where we are and when FSU/Clemson/UNC and maybe more bolt to greener pastures, we come in and get the same money SMU gets without giving up our money for however many years.

Pure cope. You'd rather be on the other side of the line 5 years from now if and when the ACC implodes. Maybe SMU doesn't make it when that happens but they'll be in way better position to try and get a Big 12 invite than we will while we'll be hoping Wake Forest would rather have football in the AAC than just parking basketball in the Big East.

(09-02-2023 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  FSU & Clemson have to have a place to go, and ESPN is not going to pay them $40 million more per year to move them to the SEC… and the Big 10 will only AAU schools. They can work diligently to get out of the ACC, but if their are no suitors, its futile.
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You keep saying this and it keeps not being true. The Big 10 isn't going to care about AAU status when it comes to FSU and Clemson. ESPN will be fine paying Clemson and FSU more money if it means paying significantly less or even nothing to every one else in the conference.

The ACC is probably on borrowed time. It won't happen this year or even next year. But at some point FSU and Clemson will find a way out and when that thread gets pulled I'd be surprised if the ACC holds together.

(09-01-2023 07:15 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 05:57 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 05:51 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  unfortunately, the AAC is moving… south.

True.

But I never understood the enthusiasm for Washington State and Oregon State. Why travel 2,000 miles to be in a conference with these schools that no Power conference wants?

I don’t see it either.
The only thing I could possibly foresee is a “best of” MWC/AAC merger with a true East/West divisions that have limited cross over games & a championship game. 16 teams with 2 divisions.

Yep, exactly right. But that doesn't seem to be in the cards. So we can keep doing what we have always done and continue ignoring Washington State and Oregon State.

Of course ESPN, CBS & FOX don't want a "best of" type conference because each is afraid they won't be the media company who has ownership rights. So each will maintain contracts that end on different dates (years) to prevent the loss of their low-cost G5 content fillers. And our collective admins from the G5 don't have the abilities of long term strategic thinking to pull off a better conference situation & will maintain high exit fees simply to protect what they have.

(09-02-2023 12:24 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:14 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  ...

Best case is that the nPAC decides to take 4-6 AAC teams and Memphis is one of them.

Same 'best of the rest' concept except the MW is leading instead of the AAC.
....

Why? Why does the MWC want to add us and Tulane? and Navy? and Temple? and Tulsa maybe? What kind of sense does that make for them?

Central time zone, (Not Navy, not Temple, not ECU), take the 'top' off the AAC and cripple their closest competition for the G5 spot.

They would be smart to do it. AAC could have now the MW / nPAC should step in and expand East.

(09-02-2023 12:36 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  FSU & Clemson have to have a place to go, and ESPN is not going to pay them $40 million more per year to move them to the SEC… and the Big 10 will only AAU schools. They can work diligently to get out of the ACC, but if their are no suitors, its futile.
...

You keep saying this and it keeps not being true. The Big 10 isn't going to care about AAU status when it comes to FSU and Clemson. ESPN will be fine paying Clemson and FSU more money if it means paying significantly less or even nothing to every one else in the conference.

The ACC is probably on borrowed time. It won't happen this year or even next year. But at some point FSU and Clemson will find a way out and when that thread gets pulled I'd be surprised if the ACC holds together.

The Big 10 has cared about AAU status in every expansion decision they’ve made.

Why would ESPN devalue the ACC by raiding its 2 marquee football programs, & pick nothing up for it, while adding an additional annual payout of 70-80 mil per year. It makes zero sense.

(09-02-2023 01:55 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 12:36 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  FSU & Clemson have to have a place to go, and ESPN is not going to pay them $40 million more per year to move them to the SEC… and the Big 10 will only AAU schools. They can work diligently to get out of the ACC, but if their are no suitors, its futile.
...

You keep saying this and it keeps not being true. The Big 10 isn't going to care about AAU status when it comes to FSU and Clemson. ESPN will be fine paying Clemson and FSU more money if it means paying significantly less or even nothing to every one else in the conference.

The ACC is probably on borrowed time. It won't happen this year or even next year. But at some point FSU and Clemson will find a way out and when that thread gets pulled I'd be surprised if the ACC holds together.

The Big 10 has cared about AAU status in every expansion decision they’ve made.

Why would ESPN devalue the ACC by raiding its 2 marquee football programs, & pick nothing up for it, while adding an additional annual payout of 70-80 mil per year. It makes zero sense.

Mensa, I'm in general agreement with your positions on expansion, but the new Big 10 media deal that just started is with Fox, NBC, and CBS. ESPN is not a part of the new Big 10 media contract. https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ox-cbs-nbc

All the more reason why Florida State is whining so much, because they know they are stuck. SEC likely doesn't want them. And no way the ACC or ESPN let them out early to go with Fox and the Big 10.

(09-02-2023 02:04 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 01:55 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 12:36 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  FSU & Clemson have to have a place to go, and ESPN is not going to pay them $40 million more per year to move them to the SEC… and the Big 10 will only AAU schools. They can work diligently to get out of the ACC, but if their are no suitors, its futile.
...

You keep saying this and it keeps not being true. The Big 10 isn't going to care about AAU status when it comes to FSU and Clemson. ESPN will be fine paying Clemson and FSU more money if it means paying significantly less or even nothing to every one else in the conference.

The ACC is probably on borrowed time. It won't happen this year or even next year. But at some point FSU and Clemson will find a way out and when that thread gets pulled I'd be surprised if the ACC holds together.

The Big 10 has cared about AAU status in every expansion decision they’ve made.

Why would ESPN devalue the ACC by raiding its 2 marquee football programs, & pick nothing up for it, while adding an additional annual payout of 70-80 mil per year. It makes zero sense.

Mensa, I'm in general agreement with your positions on expansion, but the new Big 10 media deal that just started is with Fox, NBC, and CBS. ESPN is not a part of the new Big 10 media contract. https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ox-cbs-nbc

All the more reason why Florida State is whining so much, because they know they are stuck. SEC likely doesn't want them. And no way the ACC or ESPN let them out early to go with Fox and the Big 10.

I don’t believe I’ve said the Big 10 was tied to ESPN, but if I could have mistakenly implied it. No, only Fox would benefit from the additional markets, but the Big 10 has been rigid in their insistence on AAU status.

(09-02-2023 02:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 02:04 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 01:55 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 12:36 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-02-2023 07:43 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  FSU & Clemson have to have a place to go, and ESPN is not going to pay them $40 million more per year to move them to the SEC… and the Big 10 will only AAU schools. They can work diligently to get out of the ACC, but if their are no suitors, its futile.
...

You keep saying this and it keeps not being true. The Big 10 isn't going to care about AAU status when it comes to FSU and Clemson. ESPN will be fine paying Clemson and FSU more money if it means paying significantly less or even nothing to every one else in the conference.

The ACC is probably on borrowed time. It won't happen this year or even next year. But at some point FSU and Clemson will find a way out and when that thread gets pulled I'd be surprised if the ACC holds together.

The Big 10 has cared about AAU status in every expansion decision they’ve made.

Why would ESPN devalue the ACC by raiding its 2 marquee football programs, & pick nothing up for it, while adding an additional annual payout of 70-80 mil per year. It makes zero sense.

Mensa, I'm in general agreement with your positions on expansion, but the new Big 10 media deal that just started is with Fox, NBC, and CBS. ESPN is not a part of the new Big 10 media contract. https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ox-cbs-nbc

All the more reason why Florida State is whining so much, because they know they are stuck. SEC likely doesn't want them. And no way the ACC or ESPN let them out early to go with Fox and the Big 10.

I don’t believe I’ve said the Big 10 was tied to ESPN, but if I could have mistakenly implied it. No, only Fox would benefit from the additional markets, but the Big 10 has been rigid in their insistence on AAU status.

No problem. You've made the "why would ESPN devalue the ACC" point a couple of times. My point is I think that is moot because I don't think the SEC wants Florida State anyway. And Fox has the Big 10.

I respect the other 12 ACC schools not giving in to Florida State's temper tantrum.

(09-01-2023 12:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Here's how I see this playing out.

PAC 2 absorb the MWC (or most of it) under the PAC name.

nPAC then takes 4-6 AAC teams that solidifies the nPAC as the undisputed best G5 conference and at the same time permanently cripples its closest competition.

That's what I think is going to happen - and I think any AAC team invited to the nPAC will accept while giving the 2 year notice to the AAC.

Aresco is fixing to get bent over - again.

If that happens, Aresco probably takes over as commish of the new league. The one certainly getting axed in that scenario is the PAC commish.

(09-01-2023 10:35 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  MWC gonna get the last 2 Pac schools or vice versa. Even in a 5+7 playoff format, the AAC champ would almost never get in over the MW champ.

Over the last 4 years, considering current realignment status...the access playoff spot would have gone to:
2022 - Tulane - AAC
2021 - Louisiana - Sun
2020 - Coastal - Sun
2019 - Memphis - AAC

The MWC would be 0-4. Even if you add OSU and WSU, it changes nothing.

We need to focus on working something out with the best Sun teams - not out west. I'd rather have Coastal, Louisiana, Troy, App St than a bunch of western teams. Better geography and more competitive.

Now if you gave me a best of the rest option, that's a different story:

EAST
Memphis
Tulane
UTSA
UAB
Coastal
Louisiana
Troy
App St

WEST
Boise
SDSU
AFA
Fresno
UNLV
Nevada
Wash St
Oregon St

(09-01-2023 06:36 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:27 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Big 12 will step back in and take the final 2.

Without the Cal schools the Pac will not reform.

The Big 12 will stand pat and take the best available options when the ACC implodes.

Report yesterday from B1G said they may look at Big 12 teams in a few years.

Regardless of what's going on, this is ultimately about the SEC and the B1G. Everyone else is just in the way.

And 99% chance that except for Kansas. the Big 12 schools they will be looking at will be former Pac 12 teams.

The B1G said something last week about looking at AZ, ASU & Utah in the future.

If they did, do you think those schools would show loyalty to the Big 12 or would they jump to the B1G as fast as they could?

(09-05-2023 04:05 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 06:36 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:27 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Big 12 will step back in and take the final 2.

Without the Cal schools the Pac will not reform.

The Big 12 will stand pat and take the best available options when the ACC implodes.

Report yesterday from B1G said they may look at Big 12 teams in a few years.

Regardless of what's going on, this is ultimately about the SEC and the B1G. Everyone else is just in the way.

And 99% chance that except for Kansas. the Big 12 schools they will be looking at will be former Pac 12 teams.

The B1G said something last week about looking at AZ, ASU & Utah in the future.

If they did, do you think those schools would show loyalty to the Big 12 or would they jump to the B1G as fast as they could?

they would show the same loyalty to the Big12 as they showed to the Pac12 ..

(09-05-2023 04:05 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 06:36 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:27 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Big 12 will step back in and take the final 2.

Without the Cal schools the Pac will not reform.

The Big 12 will stand pat and take the best available options when the ACC implodes.

Report yesterday from B1G said they may look at Big 12 teams in a few years.

Regardless of what's going on, this is ultimately about the SEC and the B1G. Everyone else is just in the way.

And 99% chance that except for Kansas. the Big 12 schools they will be looking at will be former Pac 12 teams.

The B1G said something last week about looking at AZ, ASU & Utah in the future.

If they did, do you think those schools would show loyalty to the Big 12 or would they jump to the B1G as fast as they could?

Not attacking you, but I doubt the Big 10 said anything about looking at schools. If they did, please link and I will apologize. Probably some cable commentator or pod guy hypothesizing. But the Big 10 never comments about this stuff. They swoop in and grab Maryland and Rutgers, swoop in and grab UCLA and USC. And they never comment until the last minute.

Also, it kind of make no sense for any conference to talk about this now. The 4 corner schools all got full Big 12 media rights deals, unlike SMU, Cal, Stanford, Oregon and Washington, who all got nothing or partial payouts. And the 4 corner schools signed over their GOR in the process, which doesn't expire after until the '31-'32 season.

Well now the word is that Aresco is after APP ST. GEEZZZ. I literally feel nothing for this CUSA rebirth that we are barreling toward. If the powers that be can't for once make something happen, even it's to a rebuilt PAC,,,,,,then I'm out. I'm starting to wonder are the p5 looking down their noses at Memphis or are they looking down noses at our power brokers. There eventually comes a point where you just have to get it done just like they did to get the grizzlies.

(09-07-2023 12:06 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Well now the word is that Aresco is after APP ST. GEEZZZ. I literally feel nothing for this CUSA rebirth that we are barreling toward. If the powers that be can't for once make something happen, even it's to a rebuilt PAC,,,,,,then I'm out. I'm starting to wonder are the p5 looking down their noses at Memphis or are they looking down noses at our power brokers. There eventually comes a point where you just have to get it done just like they did to get the grizzlies.

The conflict is that Aresco is seeking more schools so that the conference can remain alive/viable should more schools leave. The quality of the school may not matter as much to him as having the right number. As a Tiger fan, I would rather AAC stay pat and not add additional schools for the sake of adding schools. Army was intriguing to me, but I'm not excited about adding any of the Sun Belt or CUSA schools.

I'm in agreement that the AAC is large enough and that Army would be an interesting addition if the details can be worked out. I don't see any benefit to adding yet another school for the sake of adding yet another school.