(09-01-2023 05:57 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 05:51 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  unfortunately, the AAC is moving… south.

True.

But I never understood the enthusiasm for Washington State and Oregon State. Why travel 2,000 miles to be in a conference with these schools that no Power conference wants?

I don’t see it either.
The only thing I could possibly foresee is a “best of” MWC/AAC merger with a true East/West divisions that have limited cross over games & a championship game. 16 teams with 2 divisions.

I don’t think anyone was excited about WSU or OSU. Or Stanford and Cal. I was hopeful we could separate from the AAC and some of the awful programs. Take the best of the AAC, then add the best of the MWC in 2025. A conference of WSU, OSU, Boise, SDSU, CSU, Memphis, Tulaneand USF (add your favorites AFA?) would be a great place to be while still hoping for better. The new AAC is awful and is getting worse with SMU’s departure.

It’s been years of always getting the worst case scenario. At some point you can longer survive the onslaught.

(09-01-2023 09:34 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  It’s been years of always getting the worst case scenario. At some point you can longer survive the onslaught.

I’ve been here a long time, my entire life. It’s crushing, but you’re correct.

MW is going to 'reverse' merge with the PAC2 and keep the PAC name.

Best case is that the nPAC decides to take 4-6 AAC teams and Memphis is one of them.

Same 'best of the rest' concept except the MW is leading instead of the AAC.

The end result would be about the same.

If that doesn't happen then it's just kind of over for football - can't even pretend anymore.

We are no worse off than we were a week ago. SMU made a horrible decision. They are further away from access than they ever were.

(09-01-2023 10:32 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  We are no worse off than we were a week ago. SMU made a horrible decision. They are further away from access than they ever were.

Be serious, like you wouldn't trade places with them in a heartbeat?

And access to what? They now have access to playing Duke and North Carolina in basketball and Miami, Florida State and Clemson in football.

(09-01-2023 10:36 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:32 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  We are no worse off than we were a week ago. SMU made a horrible decision. They are further away from access than they ever were.

Be serious, like you wouldn't trade places with them in a heartbeat?

And access to what? They now have access to playing Duke and North Carolina in basketball and Miami, Florida State and Clemson in football.

Why trade places if you get zero revenue and are NEVER going to play for an ACC championship in football? They just became the Rutgers of the ACC. NO! I wouldn’t trade places w them under the terms they agreed to. The ACC will be a shell of itself in a couple years. If you think FSU and Clemson are gonna be in the ACC in 2-3 years, you are delusional. And I don’t care about basketball in this scenario.

(09-01-2023 10:32 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  We are no worse off than we were a week ago. SMU made a horrible decision. They are further away from access than they ever were.

So, if the shoe would be on the other foot you'd be upset that Memphis was joining the ACC? Really?

SMU will still make more money that they will here (not that they need it) from the other conference distributions outside of the TV money they are forfeiting.

The bump in status may very well translate into better recruiting. Go ask UCF about the bump they got in recruiting when they got the B12 invite.

The conference members told Aresco 'No' on trying to add the PAC2. Memphis best be on the phone trying to convince the nPAC to expand East into the Central time zone and take 4-6 AAC schools to form the 'best of the rest' conference that's been discussed on here.

Instead of the AAC expanding West it'll just be the nPAC expanding East. That needs to happen in the very worst way.

(09-01-2023 10:42 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:32 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  We are no worse off than we were a week ago. SMU made a horrible decision. They are further away from access than they ever were.

So, if the shoe would be on the other foot you'd be upset that Memphis was joining the ACC? Really?

SMU will still make more money that they will here (not that they need it) from the other conference distributions outside of the TV money they are forfeiting.

The bump in status may very well translate into better recruiting. Go ask UCF about the bump they got in recruiting when they got the B12 invite.

The conference members told Aresco 'No' on trying to add the PAC2. Memphis best be on the phone trying to convince the nPAC to expand East into the Central time zone and take 4-6 AAC schools to form the 'best of the rest' conference that's been discussed on here.

Instead of the AAC expanding West it'll just be the nPAC expanding East. That needs to happen in the very worst way.

The ACC will not exist in its current form much longer.

(09-01-2023 10:40 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:36 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:32 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  We are no worse off than we were a week ago. SMU made a horrible decision. They are further away from access than they ever were.

Be serious, like you wouldn't trade places with them in a heartbeat?

And access to what? They now have access to playing Duke and North Carolina in basketball and Miami, Florida State and Clemson in football.

Why trade places if you get zero revenue and are NEVER going to play for an ACC championship in football? They just became the Rutgers of the ACC. NO! I wouldn’t trade places w them under the terms they agreed to. The ACC will be a shell of itself in a couple years. And I don’t care about basketball in this scenario.

Wrong again. SMU will have more revenue from CFP and NCAA tourney distributions in the ACC than we will earn from our media deal. And they will sell a lot more tickets at higher prices hosting ACC teams than than our weak AAC.

And sorry, your position of not trading places is absurd. You wouldn't trade positions if we had boosters willing to make up the difference in the media deal? You care that much about how rich boosters spend their money?

And I'm sure you were one of the ones a few days ago saying the ACC is about to dissolve, which is also absurd. Florida State and Clemson are stuck, they signed over their GOR. I would gladly worry what might happen in 2036 over what we will now be dealing with for the next 13 years.

Good news is we won't have to worry about traffic or concession lines, because there are going to be a lot of 15,000 or less actual butts in seats home games in our future.

(09-01-2023 10:44 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:42 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:32 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  We are no worse off than we were a week ago. SMU made a horrible decision. They are further away from access than they ever were.

So, if the shoe would be on the other foot you'd be upset that Memphis was joining the ACC? Really?

SMU will still make more money that they will here (not that they need it) from the other conference distributions outside of the TV money they are forfeiting.

The bump in status may very well translate into better recruiting. Go ask UCF about the bump they got in recruiting when they got the B12 invite.

The conference members told Aresco 'No' on trying to add the PAC2. Memphis best be on the phone trying to convince the nPAC to expand East into the Central time zone and take 4-6 AAC schools to form the 'best of the rest' conference that's been discussed on here.

Instead of the AAC expanding West it'll just be the nPAC expanding East. That needs to happen in the very worst way.

The ACC will not exist in its current form much longer.

5-7 years? Even then why not push for the 'best of the rest' scenario in the meantime?

The AAC is hot garbage especially in basketball.

(09-01-2023 10:44 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:42 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:32 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  We are no worse off than we were a week ago. SMU made a horrible decision. They are further away from access than they ever were.

So, if the shoe would be on the other foot you'd be upset that Memphis was joining the ACC? Really?

SMU will still make more money that they will here (not that they need it) from the other conference distributions outside of the TV money they are forfeiting.

The bump in status may very well translate into better recruiting. Go ask UCF about the bump they got in recruiting when they got the B12 invite.

The conference members told Aresco 'No' on trying to add the PAC2. Memphis best be on the phone trying to convince the nPAC to expand East into the Central time zone and take 4-6 AAC schools to form the 'best of the rest' conference that's been discussed on here.

Instead of the AAC expanding West it'll just be the nPAC expanding East. That needs to happen in the very worst way.

The ACC will not exist in its current form much longer.

Yep, that is the big red flag to me... they go 7 years without media payments and the ACC crumbles around them in that 7 year period. When they do start taking payments, it isnt anything like they planned.

Also, we hold tight where we are and when FSU/Clemson/UNC and maybe more bolt to greener pastures, we come in and get the same money SMU gets without giving up our money for however many years.

(09-01-2023 10:49 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:40 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:36 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:32 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  We are no worse off than we were a week ago. SMU made a horrible decision. They are further away from access than they ever were.

Be serious, like you wouldn't trade places with them in a heartbeat?

And access to what? They now have access to playing Duke and North Carolina in basketball and Miami, Florida State and Clemson in football.

Why trade places if you get zero revenue and are NEVER going to play for an ACC championship in football? They just became the Rutgers of the ACC. NO! I wouldn’t trade places w them under the terms they agreed to. The ACC will be a shell of itself in a couple years. And I don’t care about basketball in this scenario.

Wrong again. SMU will have more revenue from CFP and NCAA tourney distributions in the ACC than we will earn from our media deal. And they will sell a lot more tickets at higher prices hosting ACC teams than than our weak AAC.

And sorry, your position of not trading places is absurd. You wouldn't trade positions if we had boosters willing to make up the difference in the media deal? You care that much about how rich boosters spend their money?

And I'm sure you were one of the ones a few days ago saying the ACC is about to dissolve, which is also absurd. Florida State and Clemson are stuck, they signed over their GOR. I would gladly worry what might happen in 2036 over what we will now be dealing with for the next 13 years.

Good news is we won't have to worry about traffic or concession lines, because there are going to be a lot of 15,000 or less actual butts in seats home games in our future.

Ha! I don’t care how boosters spend their $$$$. SMU’s want to do that, so be it. But a lot can change financially in 10 years. And the ACC will look completely different in a few years. FSU, Clemson and UNC want out.

(09-01-2023 10:56 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:49 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:40 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:36 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:32 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  We are no worse off than we were a week ago. SMU made a horrible decision. They are further away from access than they ever were.

Be serious, like you wouldn't trade places with them in a heartbeat?

And access to what? They now have access to playing Duke and North Carolina in basketball and Miami, Florida State and Clemson in football.

Why trade places if you get zero revenue and are NEVER going to play for an ACC championship in football? They just became the Rutgers of the ACC. NO! I wouldn’t trade places w them under the terms they agreed to. The ACC will be a shell of itself in a couple years. And I don’t care about basketball in this scenario.

Wrong again. SMU will have more revenue from CFP and NCAA tourney distributions in the ACC than we will earn from our media deal. And they will sell a lot more tickets at higher prices hosting ACC teams than than our weak AAC.

And sorry, your position of not trading places is absurd. You wouldn't trade positions if we had boosters willing to make up the difference in the media deal? You care that much about how rich boosters spend their money?

And I'm sure you were one of the ones a few days ago saying the ACC is about to dissolve, which is also absurd. Florida State and Clemson are stuck, they signed over their GOR. I would gladly worry what might happen in 2036 over what we will now be dealing with for the next 13 years.

Good news is we won't have to worry about traffic or concession lines, because there are going to be a lot of 15,000 or less actual butts in seats home games in our future.

Ha! I don’t care how boosters spend their $$$$. SMU’s want to do that, so be it. But a lot can change financially in 10 years. And the ACC will look completely different in a few years. FSU, Clemson and UNC want out.

And they are bitching and moaning because they can't get out. You think the conference is going to let them out of their GOR because they are sad? The other ACC schools, all 12, just totally ignored their whining by adding Cal, Stanford and SMU.

And Florida State and Clemson might find out they aren't in that much demand anyway. Florida and South Carolina will probably band together to block them joining the SEC, and the SEC might not want them anyway because they already have those states.

Big 10 is at 18 now. I haven't seen anything saying that they have plans to grow bigger anytime soon.

You guys mocking SMU are just cheering for the ACC to break up because they had no interest in us.

(09-01-2023 11:10 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:56 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:49 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:40 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:36 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Be serious, like you wouldn't trade places with them in a heartbeat?

And access to what? They now have access to playing Duke and North Carolina in basketball and Miami, Florida State and Clemson in football.

Why trade places if you get zero revenue and are NEVER going to play for an ACC championship in football? They just became the Rutgers of the ACC. NO! I wouldn’t trade places w them under the terms they agreed to. The ACC will be a shell of itself in a couple years. And I don’t care about basketball in this scenario.

Wrong again. SMU will have more revenue from CFP and NCAA tourney distributions in the ACC than we will earn from our media deal. And they will sell a lot more tickets at higher prices hosting ACC teams than than our weak AAC.

And sorry, your position of not trading places is absurd. You wouldn't trade positions if we had boosters willing to make up the difference in the media deal? You care that much about how rich boosters spend their money?

And I'm sure you were one of the ones a few days ago saying the ACC is about to dissolve, which is also absurd. Florida State and Clemson are stuck, they signed over their GOR. I would gladly worry what might happen in 2036 over what we will now be dealing with for the next 13 years.

Good news is we won't have to worry about traffic or concession lines, because there are going to be a lot of 15,000 or less actual butts in seats home games in our future.

Ha! I don’t care how boosters spend their $$$$. SMU’s want to do that, so be it. But a lot can change financially in 10 years. And the ACC will look completely different in a few years. FSU, Clemson and UNC want out.

And they are bitching and moaning because they can't get out. You think the conference is going to let them out of their GOR because they are sad? The other ACC schools, all 12, just totally ignored their whining by adding Cal, Stanford and SMU.

And Florida State and Clemson might find out they aren't in that much demand anyway. Florida and South Carolina will probably band together to block them joining the SEC, and the SEC might not want them anyway because they already have those states.

Big 10 is at 18 now. I haven't seen anything saying that they have plans to grow bigger anytime soon.

You guys mocking SMU are just cheering for the ACC to break up because they had no interest in us.

Nope. Just think it will. I know people in the Athletic Department’s at UNC and FSU and they are working on ways to get out. Period. But carry on.

(09-01-2023 10:49 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:40 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:36 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:32 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  We are no worse off than we were a week ago. SMU made a horrible decision. They are further away from access than they ever were.

Be serious, like you wouldn't trade places with them in a heartbeat?

And access to what? They now have access to playing Duke and North Carolina in basketball and Miami, Florida State and Clemson in football.

Why trade places if you get zero revenue and are NEVER going to play for an ACC championship in football? They just became the Rutgers of the ACC. NO! I wouldn’t trade places w them under the terms they agreed to. The ACC will be a shell of itself in a couple years. And I don’t care about basketball in this scenario.

Wrong again. SMU will have more revenue from CFP and NCAA tourney distributions in the ACC than we will earn from our media deal. And they will sell a lot more tickets at higher prices hosting ACC teams than than our weak AAC.

And sorry, your position of not trading places is absurd. You wouldn't trade positions if we had boosters willing to make up the difference in the media deal? You care that much about how rich boosters spend their money?

And I'm sure you were one of the ones a few days ago saying the ACC is about to dissolve, which is also absurd. Florida State and Clemson are stuck, they signed over their GOR. I would gladly worry what might happen in 2036 over what we will now be dealing with for the next 13 years.

Good news is we won't have to worry about traffic or concession lines, because there are going to be a lot of 15,000 or less actual butts in seats home games in our future.

This is true, FB attendance will take a major hit.

(09-01-2023 11:15 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:10 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:56 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:49 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:40 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  Why trade places if you get zero revenue and are NEVER going to play for an ACC championship in football? They just became the Rutgers of the ACC. NO! I wouldn’t trade places w them under the terms they agreed to. The ACC will be a shell of itself in a couple years. And I don’t care about basketball in this scenario.

Wrong again. SMU will have more revenue from CFP and NCAA tourney distributions in the ACC than we will earn from our media deal. And they will sell a lot more tickets at higher prices hosting ACC teams than than our weak AAC.

And sorry, your position of not trading places is absurd. You wouldn't trade positions if we had boosters willing to make up the difference in the media deal? You care that much about how rich boosters spend their money?

And I'm sure you were one of the ones a few days ago saying the ACC is about to dissolve, which is also absurd. Florida State and Clemson are stuck, they signed over their GOR. I would gladly worry what might happen in 2036 over what we will now be dealing with for the next 13 years.

Good news is we won't have to worry about traffic or concession lines, because there are going to be a lot of 15,000 or less actual butts in seats home games in our future.

Ha! I don’t care how boosters spend their $$$$. SMU’s want to do that, so be it. But a lot can change financially in 10 years. And the ACC will look completely different in a few years. FSU, Clemson and UNC want out.

And they are bitching and moaning because they can't get out. You think the conference is going to let them out of their GOR because they are sad? The other ACC schools, all 12, just totally ignored their whining by adding Cal, Stanford and SMU.

And Florida State and Clemson might find out they aren't in that much demand anyway. Florida and South Carolina will probably band together to block them joining the SEC, and the SEC might not want them anyway because they already have those states.

Big 10 is at 18 now. I haven't seen anything saying that they have plans to grow bigger anytime soon.

You guys mocking SMU are just cheering for the ACC to break up because they had no interest in us.

Nope. Just think it will. I know people in the Athletic Department’s at UNC and FSU and they are working on ways to get out. Period. But carry on.

Lol, sure thing. Another insider with secret information. Maybe stick to telling us who the 3rd tight end is going to be, because you don't know any more about expansion than any of us.

Jimbo Fisher left Florida State after winning a national championship there mostly because he couldn't get the school to spend money to upgrade their facilities. But now they are going to pay $300M plus to leave the ACC early? Yeah, right.

Tell us more about these legal geniuses in the athletic departments who are going to find a way to break their signing over their GORs? I think ESPN knows how to lock in a binding agreement, don't you? What they want has nothing to with it, just like our wanting to leave the AAC has nothing to do with anything.

(09-01-2023 11:24 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:15 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:10 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:56 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:49 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Wrong again. SMU will have more revenue from CFP and NCAA tourney distributions in the ACC than we will earn from our media deal. And they will sell a lot more tickets at higher prices hosting ACC teams than than our weak AAC.

And sorry, your position of not trading places is absurd. You wouldn't trade positions if we had boosters willing to make up the difference in the media deal? You care that much about how rich boosters spend their money?

And I'm sure you were one of the ones a few days ago saying the ACC is about to dissolve, which is also absurd. Florida State and Clemson are stuck, they signed over their GOR. I would gladly worry what might happen in 2036 over what we will now be dealing with for the next 13 years.

Good news is we won't have to worry about traffic or concession lines, because there are going to be a lot of 15,000 or less actual butts in seats home games in our future.

Ha! I don’t care how boosters spend their $$$$. SMU’s want to do that, so be it. But a lot can change financially in 10 years. And the ACC will look completely different in a few years. FSU, Clemson and UNC want out.

And they are bitching and moaning because they can't get out. You think the conference is going to let them out of their GOR because they are sad? The other ACC schools, all 12, just totally ignored their whining by adding Cal, Stanford and SMU.

And Florida State and Clemson might find out they aren't in that much demand anyway. Florida and South Carolina will probably band together to block them joining the SEC, and the SEC might not want them anyway because they already have those states.

Big 10 is at 18 now. I haven't seen anything saying that they have plans to grow bigger anytime soon.

You guys mocking SMU are just cheering for the ACC to break up because they had no interest in us.

Nope. Just think it will. I know people in the Athletic Department’s at UNC and FSU and they are working on ways to get out. Period. But carry on.

Lol, sure thing. Another insider with secret information. Maybe stick to telling us who the 3rd tight end is going to be, because you don't know any more about expansion than any of us.

Jimbo Fisher left Florida State after winning a national championship there mostly because he couldn't get the school to spend money to upgrade their facilities. But now they are going to pay $300M plus to leave the ACC early? Yeah, right.

Tell us more about these legal geniuses in the athletic departments who are going to find a way to break their signing over their GORs? I think ESPN knows how to lock in a binding agreement, don't you? What they want has nothing to with it, just like our wanting to leave the AAC has nothing to do with anything.

Did you not say in another thread it will be 32-36 teams playing for the championship? Schools are going to break away. You can be an @$$ all you want and not believe me, I don’t care. But I do know people at those schools and they have told me the powers that be want out and are working to make it happen. Things have changed at FSU since Jimbo left and their AD Mike Alford is the real deal. Norvell hand picked him to come in and run their giving program and is now the AD. He also wanted the Memphis AD Job when Bowen and Veatch got the jobs.

There is a belief that if they move to a conference w an ESPN contract that they might be allowed to leave, as ESPN would still retain FSU’s media rights.

#snicker

FSU & Clemson have to have a place to go, and ESPN is not going to pay them $40 million more per year to move them to the SEC… and the Big 10 will only AAU schools. They can work diligently to get out of the ACC, but if their are no suitors, its futile.

The ACC may eventually dissolve but its not going to happen until their current GOR is nearing its end date.