(09-01-2023 02:43 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 01:50 PM)batman Wrote:  I just don't see where we go from here. We are out of options. FedEx and AZ and whatever other corporate muscle we have should go HAM and get us in the SEC. I know it sounds crazy, but what if we offered to take a reduced rate. We can't afford to do what SMU is doing and not taking any money.

I think we have been out of options since the B12/ESPN told Memphis and Fed Ex to go jump 6-7 years ago or however that went down. Since then, we haven’t sniffed a P5 invite

That had to have been our best shot. Not sure we have had FedEx with us since in regard to conference realignment.

(09-01-2023 02:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Big 12 will step back in and take the final 2.

Without the Cal schools the Pac will not reform.

That could happen but the best thing for Memphis is for the MWC to be 'absorbed' into the PAC and then decide to raid the AAC for 4-6 teams with Memphis being one of the ones taken.

The nPAC would then easily be the best G5 every single year.

As long as the PAC backfills with enough of the MWC such that the MWC disbands then there would be no exit fees for any of the MWC teams that get 'invited' to the PAC.

(09-01-2023 01:50 PM)batman Wrote:  I just don't see where we go from here. We are out of options. FedEx and AZ and whatever other corporate muscle we have should go HAM and get us in the SEC. I know it sounds crazy, but what if we offered to take a reduced rate. We can't afford to do what SMU is doing and not taking any money.

We would have to offer to pay the SEC like 2 million dollars a year for every school for 10 years. And they still probably wouldn't take that deal.

If you don't believe we would offer the ACC the deal SMU just did if that were an available option, you're delusional. We absolutely would offer that deal. The ACC just wasn't interested. And you think the SEC would be?

(09-01-2023 02:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Big 12 will step back in and take the final 2.

Without the Cal schools the Pac will not reform.

The Big 12 will stand pat and take the best available options when the ACC implodes.

(09-01-2023 04:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Big 12 will step back in and take the final 2.

Without the Cal schools the Pac will not reform.

The Big 12 will stand pat and take the best available options when the ACC implodes.

Not sure the ACC will implode… where are the schools going to go?

(09-01-2023 04:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Big 12 will step back in and take the final 2.

Without the Cal schools the Pac will not reform.

The Big 12 will stand pat and take the best available options when the ACC implodes.

Report yesterday from B1G said they may look at Big 12 teams in a few years.

Regardless of what's going on, this is ultimately about the SEC and the B1G. Everyone else is just in the way.

(09-01-2023 04:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Big 12 will step back in and take the final 2.

Without the Cal schools the Pac will not reform.

The Big 12 will stand pat and take the best available options when the ACC implodes.

Not sure the ACC will implode… where are the schools going to go?

ACC will get split up by the SEC, b10 & b12. Few leftovers (wake, bc) might wind up with us in the American. 3x24 = 72

(09-01-2023 04:30 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Big 12 will step back in and take the final 2.

Without the Cal schools the Pac will not reform.

The Big 12 will stand pat and take the best available options when the ACC implodes.

Not sure the ACC will implode… where are the schools going to go?

ACC will get split up by the SEC, b10 & b12. Few leftovers (wake, bc) might wind up with us in the American. 3x24 = 72

Why? The ACC & Big 12 pay out roughly the same amount per school & travel costs would likely increase for departing ACC schools. If ESPN is currently paying ACC schools $40 million per year for the next decade, then why would they double their payout to move them to the SEC? Perhaps the Big 10 & Fox would move on some of these schools but they’ll only consider AAU universities & in the ACC, those are UVa, UNC, Duke, Miami, & Ga Tech, but none of those schools move the TV football ratings needle.

(09-01-2023 04:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Big 12 will step back in and take the final 2.

Without the Cal schools the Pac will not reform.

The Big 12 will stand pat and take the best available options when the ACC implodes.

Not sure the ACC will implode… where are the schools going to go?

Florida State and Clemson are as good as gone to the SEC or BIG10. UNC and Virginia aren't quite certain, but very likely to go to one or the other. Maybe Miami and Pitt will land in one of those conferences.

At that point the Big 12 will probably try to pick up some combo of Miami and Pitt if they are on the board, Syracuse, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State and maybe Stanford or Cal (although Cal probably ends up in the MWC and Stanford goes independent at that point). Depending on how many teams get taken by the other Big 3 conferences, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest, and BC may end up looking at parking their basketball in the Big East. Probably some of the schools (SMU, Georgia Tech, Boston College) in the ACC end up getting left out at that point.

So the Big 12 probably isn't looking to expand until they know exactly what the options are. Washington State and Oregon State will just end up absorbed by the MWC at least for now.

(09-01-2023 04:55 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Big 12 will step back in and take the final 2.

Without the Cal schools the Pac will not reform.

The Big 12 will stand pat and take the best available options when the ACC implodes.

Not sure the ACC will implode… where are the schools going to go?

Florida State and Clemson are as good as gone to the SEC or BIG10. UNC and Virginia aren't quite certain, but very likely to go to one or the other. Maybe Miami and Pitt will land in one of those conferences.

At that point the Big 12 will probably try to pick up some combo of Miami and Pitt if they are on the board, Syracuse, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State and maybe Stanford or Cal (although Cal probably ends up in the MWC and Stanford goes independent at that point). Depending on how many teams get taken by the other Big 3 conferences, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest, and BC may end up looking at parking their basketball in the Big East. Probably some of the schools (SMU, Georgia Tech, Boston College) in the ACC end up getting left out at that point.

So the Big 12 probably isn't looking to expand until they know exactly what the options are. Washington State and Oregon State will just end up absorbed by the MWC at least for now.

Why would ESPN pay FSU & Clemson 40 million more per year to move to the SEC & then gut their own partner in the ACC?

(09-01-2023 11:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  unfortunately, the AAC is moving… south.

True.

But I never understood the enthusiasm for Washington State and Oregon State. Why travel 2,000 miles to be in a conference with these schools that no Power conference wants?

(09-01-2023 11:37 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:29 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:29 AM)BERT56 Wrote:  https://sports.yahoo.com/aac-says-it-won...14572.html

The AAC is always reactionary.

The MWC will pass us by soon.

Absolutely. Had we not added these new schools, we could have probably just blown up the AAC and took the best 5-6 and joined the PAC. Then add the best of the MWC and it would have been a true, best of the rest.

As it stands now, the AAC is a complete dumpster fire. I can’t wait to see who is going to replace SMU. Texas State? Lol

Be assured Aresco will be pushing for another texas school.

(09-01-2023 05:36 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:55 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Big 12 will step back in and take the final 2.

Without the Cal schools the Pac will not reform.

The Big 12 will stand pat and take the best available options when the ACC implodes.

Not sure the ACC will implode… where are the schools going to go?

Florida State and Clemson are as good as gone to the SEC or BIG10. UNC and Virginia aren't quite certain, but very likely to go to one or the other. Maybe Miami and Pitt will land in one of those conferences.

At that point the Big 12 will probably try to pick up some combo of Miami and Pitt if they are on the board, Syracuse, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State and maybe Stanford or Cal (although Cal probably ends up in the MWC and Stanford goes independent at that point). Depending on how many teams get taken by the other Big 3 conferences, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest, and BC may end up looking at parking their basketball in the Big East. Probably some of the schools (SMU, Georgia Tech, Boston College) in the ACC end up getting left out at that point.

So the Big 12 probably isn't looking to expand until they know exactly what the options are. Washington State and Oregon State will just end up absorbed by the MWC at least for now.

Why would ESPN pay FSU & Clemson 40 million more per year to move to the SEC & then gut their own partner in the ACC?

Because FSU and Clemson (and Virginai and UNC) are pissed that they make less money than Vanderbilt and will jump at the first available opportunity to get out of the ACC, and they (and Virginia and UNC) are the schools left on the board that the Big 10 and FOX might be interested in (the AAU thing doesn't matter at this point) and if FSU and Clemson (and Virginia and UNC) have options with Fox, the SEC may want to add them to keep the BIG10 out of their footprint and ESPN will probably be playing along, especially if that forces the rest of the teams into conference configurations that would pay them less than if the ACC stayed together. If ESPN pays the SEC, the ACC, and the Big 12, why do they care which of those conferences any of those teams play in especially if they can heave off having to pay the bottom third of the ACC entirely.

(09-01-2023 05:51 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  unfortunately, the AAC is moving… south.

True.

But I never understood the enthusiasm for Washington State and Oregon State. Why travel 2,000 miles to be in a conference with these schools that no Power conference wants?

I don’t see it either.
The only thing I could possibly foresee is a “best of” MWC/AAC merger with a true East/West divisions that have limited cross over games & a championship game. 16 teams with 2 divisions.

(09-01-2023 05:57 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 05:51 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  unfortunately, the AAC is moving… south.

True.

But I never understood the enthusiasm for Washington State and Oregon State. Why travel 2,000 miles to be in a conference with these schools that no Power conference wants?

I don’t see it either.
The only thing I could possibly foresee is a “best of” MWC/AAC merger with a true East/West divisions that have limited cross over games & a championship game. 16 teams with 2 divisions.

I think this would have been feasible before the AAC got raided by the Big 12. I just don't think there's enough juice left in the AAC to make this attractive to the MWC schools. There's basically Memphis, Tulane, Temple, South Florida, and maybe Tulsa? ECU? And then what Rice? Charlotte? Is that really a better conference for WSU, OSU, and the 6 best teams of the MWC right now?

(09-01-2023 04:27 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 02:34 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Big 12 will step back in and take the final 2.

Without the Cal schools the Pac will not reform.

The Big 12 will stand pat and take the best available options when the ACC implodes.

Report yesterday from B1G said they may look at Big 12 teams in a few years.

Regardless of what's going on, this is ultimately about the SEC and the B1G. Everyone else is just in the way.

And 99% chance that except for Kansas. the Big 12 schools they will be looking at will be former Pac 12 teams.

(09-01-2023 05:55 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 05:36 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:55 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  The Big 12 will stand pat and take the best available options when the ACC implodes.

Not sure the ACC will implode… where are the schools going to go?

Florida State and Clemson are as good as gone to the SEC or BIG10. UNC and Virginia aren't quite certain, but very likely to go to one or the other. Maybe Miami and Pitt will land in one of those conferences.

At that point the Big 12 will probably try to pick up some combo of Miami and Pitt if they are on the board, Syracuse, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State and maybe Stanford or Cal (although Cal probably ends up in the MWC and Stanford goes independent at that point). Depending on how many teams get taken by the other Big 3 conferences, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest, and BC may end up looking at parking their basketball in the Big East. Probably some of the schools (SMU, Georgia Tech, Boston College) in the ACC end up getting left out at that point.

So the Big 12 probably isn't looking to expand until they know exactly what the options are. Washington State and Oregon State will just end up absorbed by the MWC at least for now.

Why would ESPN pay FSU & Clemson 40 million more per year to move to the SEC & then gut their own partner in the ACC?

Because FSU and Clemson (and Virginai and UNC) are pissed that they make less money than Vanderbilt and will jump at the first available opportunity to get out of the ACC, and they (and Virginia and UNC) are the schools left on the board that the Big 10 and FOX might be interested in (the AAU thing doesn't matter at this point) and if FSU and Clemson (and Virginia and UNC) have options with Fox, the SEC may want to add them to keep the BIG10 out of their footprint and ESPN will probably be playing along, especially if that forces the rest of the teams into conference configurations that would pay them less than if the ACC stayed together. If ESPN pays the SEC, the ACC, and the Big 12, why do they care which of those conferences any of those teams play in especially if they can heave off having to pay the bottom third of the ACC entirely.

Their being pissed does not mean ESPN is going to fork over more money when they already own their media rights for the next 10 years.
The only programs that would move are the ACC’s AAU schools… and they have very little TV football appeal.

(09-01-2023 05:57 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 05:51 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  unfortunately, the AAC is moving… south.

True.

But I never understood the enthusiasm for Washington State and Oregon State. Why travel 2,000 miles to be in a conference with these schools that no Power conference wants?

I don’t see it either.
The only thing I could possibly foresee is a “best of” MWC/AAC merger with a true East/West divisions that have limited cross over games & a championship game. 16 teams with 2 divisions.

Yep, exactly right. But that doesn't seem to be in the cards. So we can keep doing what we have always done and continue ignoring Washington State and Oregon State.

(09-01-2023 05:55 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 05:36 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:55 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 04:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  The Big 12 will stand pat and take the best available options when the ACC implodes.

Not sure the ACC will implode… where are the schools going to go?

Florida State and Clemson are as good as gone to the SEC or BIG10. UNC and Virginia aren't quite certain, but very likely to go to one or the other. Maybe Miami and Pitt will land in one of those conferences.

At that point the Big 12 will probably try to pick up some combo of Miami and Pitt if they are on the board, Syracuse, Louisville, Virginia Tech, NC State and maybe Stanford or Cal (although Cal probably ends up in the MWC and Stanford goes independent at that point). Depending on how many teams get taken by the other Big 3 conferences, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest, and BC may end up looking at parking their basketball in the Big East. Probably some of the schools (SMU, Georgia Tech, Boston College) in the ACC end up getting left out at that point.

So the Big 12 probably isn't looking to expand until they know exactly what the options are. Washington State and Oregon State will just end up absorbed by the MWC at least for now.

Why would ESPN pay FSU & Clemson 40 million more per year to move to the SEC & then gut their own partner in the ACC?

Because FSU and Clemson (and Virginai and UNC) are pissed that they make less money than Vanderbilt and will jump at the first available opportunity to get out of the ACC, and they (and Virginia and UNC) are the schools left on the board that the Big 10 and FOX might be interested in (the AAU thing doesn't matter at this point) and if FSU and Clemson (and Virginia and UNC) have options with Fox, the SEC may want to add them to keep the BIG10 out of their footprint and ESPN will probably be playing along, especially if that forces the rest of the teams into conference configurations that would pay them less than if the ACC stayed together. If ESPN pays the SEC, the ACC, and the Big 12, why do they care which of those conferences any of those teams play in especially if they can heave off having to pay the bottom third of the ACC entirely.

FSU and Clemson are pissed because they signed a 20-year deal and now they can't get out of it without paying $300 million or more. Not ESPN's problem.

(09-01-2023 05:53 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:37 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 11:29 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:29 AM)BERT56 Wrote:  https://sports.yahoo.com/aac-says-it-won...14572.html

The AAC is always reactionary.

The MWC will pass us by soon.

Absolutely. Had we not added these new schools, we could have probably just blown up the AAC and took the best 5-6 and joined the PAC. Then add the best of the MWC and it would have been a true, best of the rest.

As it stands now, the AAC is a complete dumpster fire. I can’t wait to see who is going to replace SMU. Texas State? Lol

Be assured Aresco will be pushing for another texas school.

Currently they are pushing for Army