(09-01-2023 09:56 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  The plan is likely to stick at 17 for now.

I have advocated to add Navy as a football only addition. This would give you an even 18 and adds another annual game with the ND. Perhaps 3 pods of 6

Cal Stanford SMU Navy Louisville Pitt
Clemson FSU Miami GT Cuse BC
UNC UVA NCSt Duke Wake VT

(09-01-2023 10:26 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:21 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  I agree. Spite in defense of a conference that has now lost 4 members seems silly.

AAC's lost 5 - UConn, the Cincy/UCF/Houston group, and now SMU. 7 if you include Louisville and Rutgers, but the AAC started play with both of them having a foot out the door already.

Poor USF. (Even though I think they’ll top the backfill list when the ACC does eventually lose some schools)

(09-01-2023 09:43 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:39 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Seems like an unwieldy number for football, but I could be wrong.

Don't worry shizzle, UConn is still a bridesmaid until the 3 plus ND leave.

ND is not leaving.

(09-01-2023 09:56 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  The plan is likely to stick at 17 for now.

I have advocated to add Navy as a football only addition. This would give you an even 18 and adds another annual game with the ND. Perhaps 3 pods of 6

Cal Stanford SMU Navy Louisville Pitt
Clemson FSU Miami GT Cuse BC
UNC UVA NCSt Duke Wake VT

I still think that ND is going to hold at a maximum of an average of 5 ACC schools per year.

We shall see.

Isn't this Rice's golden opportunity? They culturally and academically fit with the three schools that were just added to the ACC while also providing a third coast for the American/All Coast conference. Furthermore, they are about the only other school in FBS that has the $$$ to take an SMU type deal. If they would agree to raise their overall athletic budget to the ACC median while committing to some facility enhancements they are a slam dunk IMO. The same could be said for Tulane but I'm not sure they have the donor base to get it done.

(09-01-2023 10:33 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:56 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  The plan is likely to stick at 17 for now.

I have advocated to add Navy as a football only addition. This would give you an even 18 and adds another annual game with the ND. Perhaps 3 pods of 6

Cal Stanford SMU Navy Louisville Pitt
Clemson FSU Miami GT Cuse BC
UNC UVA NCSt Duke Wake VT

I still think that ND is going to hold at a maximum of an average of 5 ACC schools per year.

We shall see.

They'll stick with an 8 game schedule with 4 annual opponents and 1/3 of other 12 schools each year, or they'll go 9 games but the 5 schools playing ND in a given year will get to count that as a conference game and the other 12 schools will play each other for #9.

No reason to add another.

17 is a weird number, but it's only a weird number FOR FOOTBALL. Everything else is at 18 with Notre Dame.

You only play 8-9 football games a year, so "not playing 4 conference opponents" in a season turns into "not playing 7 conference opponents" in a season. No big deal.

No one cares about using geography and divisions and a logical schedule matrix anymore. You set the match-ups based on what's best for TV inventory.

With as hard as it was to get the votes for 17, I don't see there being an appetite within the ACC to relive that for a hot minute.

But if FSU, Clemson, or anyone else makes good on leaving somehow, all bets are off.

(09-01-2023 12:14 PM)surrealpirate Wrote:  With as hard as it was to get the votes for 17, I don't see there being an appetite within the ACC to relive that for a hot minute.

But if FSU, Clemson, or anyone else makes good on leaving somehow, all bets are off.

The second Florida St is gone, South Florida is in. Clemson? Probably Tulane. One more? Memphis. Then maybe Temple and East Carolina. I ultimately see the ACC becoming the bottom of the old ACC, old Big East, and old Metro. I see Cal/Stanford in B1G.

(09-01-2023 09:52 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Well you're either odd for football or odd for other sports. I don't know which is worse. I think odd for football is worse. A football weekend is bigger than a basketball weekend (men's or women's), with some schools obvious exceptions (North Carolina, Duke, etc). At least one football school will be open every Saturday and that will be a big deal. Four current ACC schools have SEC rivals but that still leaves one ACC school that will have no opponent every Rivalry Week (I nominate SMU). The ACC is used to one school being off every weekend in basketball and there's nothing stopping them from adding a non football member like Villanova to even things up in other sports.

Would Navy work as a football only member?

Odd is easier for football. It actually makes scheduling easier, given Notre Dame makes the total P4 count even. And of course the overall football schedule is made easy by the even number of conference games, no matter the number of teams.

(09-01-2023 02:59 PM)Crayton Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:52 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Well you're either odd for football or odd for other sports. I don't know which is worse. I think odd for football is worse. A football weekend is bigger than a basketball weekend (men's or women's), with some schools obvious exceptions (North Carolina, Duke, etc). At least one football school will be open every Saturday and that will be a big deal. Four current ACC schools have SEC rivals but that still leaves one ACC school that will have no opponent every Rivalry Week (I nominate SMU). The ACC is used to one school being off every weekend in basketball and there's nothing stopping them from adding a non football member like Villanova to even things up in other sports.

Would Navy work as a football only member?

Odd is easier for football. It actually makes scheduling easier, given Notre Dame makes the total P4 count even. And of course the overall football schedule is made easy by the even number of conference games, no matter the number of teams.

Well now the ACC literally can't go to a 9 game conference schedule. If the SEC ever goes to 9, the ACC will really stick out like a sore thumb.

For the ACC to expand past the current 18 members ESPN would have to agree to fund it. With the states of California and Texas now bringing in the top carriage rate for the ACCN, what states not already represented in the league have a school the ACC could legitimately consider?

(09-01-2023 03:47 PM)ken d Wrote:  For the ACC to expand past the current 18 members ESPN would have to agree to fund it. With the states of California and Texas now bringing in the top carriage rate for the ACCN, what states not already represented in the league have a school the ACC could legitimately consider?

It's possible that UConn could add value, at least as much as the three new additions do if they are willing to take low shares. I don't think that happens quite yet and I suspect that the ACC will stand pat after this for a few years.

They will absolutely try to add B12 programs in a few years. I have no idea if they'll be successful or not.

They should add WVU.

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Since Notre Dame gets an exception for everything, I don't see why the ACC doesn't just let Notre Dame compete for a football conference crown while playing only 5 conference games. Then still make everybody else play 8 or 9 conference games.
After all the rules now are the conference can decide who gets to play in the CCG, right?

And oh yeah, Notre Dame can keep it's own TV deal for home games, and does not give up it's football media rights in a GOR.

(09-01-2023 10:07 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 10:02 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(09-01-2023 09:52 AM)schmolik Wrote:  At least one football school will be open every Saturday and that will be a big deal. Four current ACC schools have SEC rivals but that still leaves one ACC school that will have no opponent every Rivalry Week (I nominate SMU).

Will it? Notre Dame is going to soak up some of those matchups, UConn's out there as an indy happy to sign October/November home and homes, and I'd imagine SMU wouldn't have any trouble getting Rice/Tulane/Memphis/Tulsa/USF/whomever out of the AAC on the schedule as needed.

I don't know about AAC schools helping out SMU. Not to mention with the shakeup after the ACC is settled who knows if there will even be an AAC?

Can We find a School with Camaro as their mascot ? That would be fun Mustang vs Camaro

Depends on whether Florida State leaves or not.

At 8 conference games, 17 works fine. It appears they took the easy way to integrate, left agreement with ND unchanged (same opponents through '37, Stanford not added to rotation ... which means ESPN & ACC will get a few extra Notre Dame games when they visit the farm); are not adjusting the three permanent rivals of the current 14 members, having the 3 new schools just play each other for 2 rivals and otherwise put their 6 other games in the rotation of non-rivalry games (currently 21 rivalry conference games, 35 non-rivalry; will move to 24 rivalry conference games, 44 non-rivalry).

If FSU leaves in a couple years, they'll revisit. Similarly, if ESPN offers to pay more for a 9th conference game, they may look for an 18th. But as long as they stay at 8 games, there is no need to expand.

The only way the ACC could get to 18 is if Notre Dame joined as a full member, they will absolutely not have the support for anyone else. I think it's pretty obvious that that is what they are hoping for as well.

(09-01-2023 03:54 PM)hburg Wrote:  They should add WVU.

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If they take any Big 12 members, Cincinnati is the more valuable member, bigger state, bigger city, was in the 2021 CFP, better academics.

I think the ACC will sit at 17. But the ACC will need more than two schools in the west coast.

With Calford on board, 4C schools should be the prime target.

(09-01-2023 05:49 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  I think the ACC will sit at 17. But the ACC will need more than two schools in the west coast.

With Calford on board, 4C schools should be the prime target.

Could you explain how the 4C will leave the big12 ‘s 32 million dollar payout to join the ACC, if the best Cal and Stanford can do is 8 million dollars in media rights.