(08-29-2023 12:32 PM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  

(08-29-2023 11:28 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  Is this a serious posting?

I cannot imagine any school voluntarily leave the ACC to join the B12.

Yes this is serious. I can see a day where the ACC resides itself to being an academic conference primarily once the major football schools leave for the SEC and B1G. You could have a conference of Notre Dame, SMU, Duke, Stanford, Cal, Tulane, WF, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Rice, Navy, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and possibly USF all either AAU or private schools who might rebrand the ACC with strict academic requirements/standards and kick Louisville to the curb. Prestige will be the only way the conference can differentiate itself from the other conferences at that point.

IF that happens (a big IF), U of L will have a decision to make.

The ACC is an athletics conference. The ACC doesn’t have academic standards that would disqualify member institutions in good standing. The phantom classes at UNC probably did concern some about academic standards…but that’s an aside and not relevant to the OP concern.

Given that background, the ACC will also always have a lot of elite academic institutions. B12 and some FSU fans are currently spinning a tale that elite academics doesn’t align with elite athletics, but that’s just a simple minded fantasy.

(08-29-2023 01:41 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  The ACC is an athletics conference. The ACC doesn’t have academic standards that would disqualify member institutions in good standing. The phantom classes at UNC probably did concern some about academic standards…but that’s an aside and not relevant to the OP concern.

Given that background, the ACC will also always have a lot of elite academic institutions. B12 and some FSU fans are currently spinning a tale that elite academics doesn’t align with elite athletics, but that’s just a simple minded fantasy.

I agree with others they won't kick you out, they've already taken the hit to their self-image that admitting you cost. And they hate change and admitting they were wrong even more. Also your athletic spending, achievements and attendance will bring up conference averages.

But you'll get more and more of this "simple minded fantasy" stuff as the big football first schools escape...the ACC core will pat you on the head and say oh Louisville, you just don't understand, go get your sippy cup and we'll let you have a little bit of wine if you're quiet while we make all the decisions.

Geez, I doubt any of this talk would ever be brought up by our fan base if Tom Jurich was still in charge at Louisville. Louisville is one of the best medical schools around. They pioneered the first artificial heart transplants , hand transplants and developed the vaccine for human papilloma viruses . They are leaders in Open heart surgery The Law school while not Harvard has produced thousands of lawyers. Louisville while admitting Kentucky low income residents is far more than a “community college “
We also had good Basketball,Baseball,Football success that when Tom Jurich was wrongly let go for the Football and Basketball stumbled but we should be back to Form hopefully this season and put the “Covid era” disaster seasons behind Us. We love being in the ACC

(08-29-2023 02:57 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Geez, I doubt any of this talk would ever be brought up by our fan base if Tom Jurich was still in charge at Louisville. Louisville is one of the best medical schools around. They pioneered the first artificial heart transplants , hand transplants and developed the vaccine for human papilloma viruses . They are leaders in Open heart surgery The Law school while not Harvard has produced thousands of lawyers. Louisville while admitting Kentucky low income residents is far more than a “community college “
We also had good Basketball,Baseball,Football success that when Tom Jurich was wrongly let go for the Football and Basketball stumbled but we should be back to Form hopefully this season and put the “Covid era” disaster seasons behind Us. We love being in the ACC

It was only brought up because one of your fans (or someone pretending to be a Louisville fan) decided to troll this board.

(08-29-2023 02:57 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Geez, I doubt any of this talk would ever be brought up by our fan base if Tom Jurich was still in charge at Louisville. Louisville is one of the best medical schools around. They pioneered the first artificial heart transplants , hand transplants and developed the vaccine for human papilloma viruses . They are leaders in Open heart surgery The Law school while not Harvard has produced thousands of lawyers. Louisville while admitting Kentucky low income residents is far more than a “community college “
We also had good Basketball,Baseball,Football success that when Tom Jurich was wrongly let go for the Football and Basketball stumbled but we should be back to Form hopefully this season and put the “Covid era” disaster seasons behind Us. We love being in the ACC

No one is kicking out Louisville, or wants to kick Louisville out, but ease up on the 'best med schools' around stuff.

(08-29-2023 04:52 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-29-2023 02:57 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Geez, I doubt any of this talk would ever be brought up by our fan base if Tom Jurich was still in charge at Louisville. Louisville is one of the best medical schools around. They pioneered the first artificial heart transplants , hand transplants and developed the vaccine for human papilloma viruses . They are leaders in Open heart surgery The Law school while not Harvard has produced thousands of lawyers. Louisville while admitting Kentucky low income residents is far more than a “community college “
We also had good Basketball,Baseball,Football success that when Tom Jurich was wrongly let go for the Football and Basketball stumbled but we should be back to Form hopefully this season and put the “Covid era” disaster seasons behind Us. We love being in the ACC

No one is kicking out Louisville, or wants to kick Louisville out, but ease up on the 'best med schools' around stuff.

Pretty much this 100%. We have great revenue, support and historical athletic success. We also have some great accomplishments by our medical school. However... according to US News rankings we are #89 in medical school rankings significantly behind most of the rest of ACC and sadly UK as well. Unfortunately those milestone successes performed by our med school do not directly correlate with its prestige.

I've learned over the years, UofL is crafty with how it markets itself locally (probably nationally too). In 2004 the business school flew a banner that said "#1 ranked business school* in the nation!". The asterisk was because that ranking was specific to the entrepreneurial program. Still great but that's not what you're really seeing as you're walking by the building or parking.

(08-29-2023 05:40 AM)LaBradfordsTWill Wrote:  As many of you know, Louisville sits at the bottom of the academic ratings in the ACC. Bringing in Stanford, Cal, and SMU is only going to make this even more noticeable. Louisville is never going to be an "academic" university because its mission is to make education for lower income urban students more readily accessible. In other words, UofL is always going to have a much higher acceptance rate than any other ACC school. UofL does do a lot of research, but it's undergraduate programs are what drags down the ratings because of the aforementioned acceptance rate.

My question is, knowing that UofL will never meet ACC academic standards, does this eventually cause UofL to be kicked out of the conference? I can see Stanford pushing the conference to disassociate itself from weaker academic brands once they get settled in and feel the need to fluff their new nest.

I think Louisville should proactively seek to join the Big XII as soon as it can so that it can be with schools with similar academic missions. It just hurts the brand to be the red-headed step-child who got lucky to join the in-crowd. It also puts unnecessary pressure on the administration at UofL to try and be something it was never meant to be. Am I off base here or am I right to be concerned?

No cause for concern. You're a full member of the club.

You're 'red-headed' because you're the Cardinals.

No one is throwing Louisville out of the conference. The temple situation was for football only and they and Rutgers were bringing down the conference reputation so much that some thing had to be done. It's never happened before or since and probably never again.

I don't think there's an advantage for Louisville because all ACC schools recruit down to the NCAA limits for the right athlete. But Louisville has other advantages. The money. The historical success in football and basketball. The willingness to push the limits on getting the best athletes they can get. The ceiling is high for Louisville.

That's probably why Louisville got GT and Miami as permanent partners. Because the ACC wants to showcase Louisville.

I think you should be proud Louisville is in the ACC. I like having Louisville in the conference and always thought VT would make a better Permanent partner than UVA. Even though we haven't played much in football.

(08-29-2023 07:34 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  No one is throwing Louisville out of the conference. The temple situation was for football only and they and Rutgers were bringing down the conference reputation so much that some thing had to be done. It's never happened before or since and probably never again.

I don't think there's an advantage for Louisville because all ACC schools recruit down to the NCAA limits for the right athlete. But Louisville has other advantages. The money. The historical success in football and basketball. The willingness to push the limits on getting the best athletes they can get. The ceiling is high for Louisville.

That's probably why Louisville got GT and Miami as permanent partners. Because the ACC wants to showcase Louisville.

I think you should be proud Louisville is in the ACC. I like having Louisville in the conference and always thought VT would make a better Permanent partner than UVA. Even though we haven't played much in football.

Temple was an only an affiliate member; never a full member like Rutgers or Notre Dame in the ACC. They were given a set of criteria they needed to achieve over several years to maintain membership. One was having adequate scheduling priority at their home venue for football games, attendance, and some others. They failed to do so, some would say intentionally. They were voted out and their leadership didn't seem too perturbed by it.