https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66640485

"Spain's top criminal court has opened a preliminary investigation into the country's football federation president Luis Rubiales after he kissed player Jenni Hermoso on the lips.

The prosecutors are looking into whether the incident amounts to a crime of sexual assault.

Rubiales, 46, has been widely criticised after the incident following Spain's Women's World Cup final win.

Hermoso, 33, said the kiss was not consensual.

Rubiales was suspended on Saturday by world football's governing body Fifa.

The previous day, Rubiales had insisted he would not resign.

The court said it was opening the investigation in light of the "unequivocal nature" of Hermoso's statements, saying it was necessary "to determine their legal significance".

"Given the public statements made by Jennifer Hermoso, the sexual act she was subjected to by Luis Rubiales was not consensual," a statement said.

Legal experts will also contact the player "to offer her the option of legal action, giving her the chance to contact National Court prosecutors within 15 days for information about her rights as a victim of an alleged sexual assault should she wish to file a complaint"...."

Alright, maybe they fire them. But a top level criminal effort against him?

Let the woman sue him if she is offended. But the full power of the state against someone who is simply a boor?

Sounds like she is a snowflake. Use the police to investigate real sexual assaults.

This is a misdemeanor battery at worst. Why would a country's top court be involved in this?

IMO, this isn't metooish. The dude literally kissed the player on the lips when she did not want him to. Seems pretty simple to me that he has to go.

She got Biden'd.

He has to go? Sure, he's already been canned.

Sexual Assault? Really?

(08-28-2023 03:25 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  He has to go? Sure, he's already been canned.

Sexual Assault? Really?

Not sure what the laws are in Spain.

(08-28-2023 03:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  IMO, this isn't metooish. The dude literally kissed the player on the lips when she did not want him to. Seems pretty simple to me that he has to go.

A kiss even on the lips is sexual assault? Now answer this question honestly, how many sexual assault have you committed in your life? Is there a man alive (over 35) who never in his life went in for a kiss before knowing if the girl really wanted it? I understand this was not a date 9or party) like I'm talking about....

but if kissing a person who did not agree to the kiss is the key in this "sexual assault". It's the same.

When I first read about this I thought it was weird and offensive but come on sexual assault. From the age of 15 to 21 (when I met my wife) I was a seral sexual assaulter if its only takes a kiss. Most that I went to kiss wanted it but I wasn't 100% sure at the time. Got slapped a couple times and a few times I couldn't tell if the girl was really into me....got laid after going in for a kiss

(08-28-2023 03:26 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-28-2023 03:25 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  He has to go? Sure, he's already been canned.

Sexual Assault? Really?

Not sure what the laws are in Spain.

Nor do I, but I think I'd reserve sexual assault for actual assault. But maybe a kiss from some guy is truly offensive to this lady. Not interesting enough for me to really care.

Give the dude a Yellow Card and play on.

(08-28-2023 02:57 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  This is a misdemeanor battery at worst. Why would a country's top court be involved in this?

Because they want to make it bigger than it is because it's part of "the message"

(08-28-2023 03:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  IMO, this isn't metooish. The dude literally kissed the player on the lips when she did not want him to. Seems pretty simple to me that he has to go.

Per a media report I read this morning, she first said it was consensual, and that it was just the joy of the moment.

Then later, she changed her story to say it made her feel uncomfortable.

Then later, she said she felt it was sexual assault.

I wonder if she had help with her memory?

(08-28-2023 04:01 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Give the dude a Yellow Card and play on.

Right. If she wanted the Red Card, she should have faked a serious injury on the play.

(08-29-2023 08:47 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-28-2023 03:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  IMO, this isn't metooish. The dude literally kissed the player on the lips when she did not want him to. Seems pretty simple to me that he has to go.

Per a media report I read this morning, she first said it was consensual, and that it was just the joy of the moment.

Then later, she changed her story to say it made her feel uncomfortable.

Then later, she said she felt it was sexual assault.

I wonder if she had help with her memory?

I can see how the athlete could accept the kiss but then feel differently later. But really, making such a big deal about it?

(08-29-2023 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-29-2023 08:47 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-28-2023 03:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  IMO, this isn't metooish. The dude literally kissed the player on the lips when she did not want him to. Seems pretty simple to me that he has to go.

Per a media report I read this morning, she first said it was consensual, and that it was just the joy of the moment.

Then later, she changed her story to say it made her feel uncomfortable.

Then later, she said she felt it was sexual assault.

I wonder if she had help with her memory?

I can see how the athlete could accept the kiss but then feel differently later. But really, making such a big deal about it?

Yeah, I see how she can go from Explanation #1 to #2. But from there to #3? Nah...

You can see the video. It seemed spontaneous. I saw the video before the explanation, and I thought it was somewhat inappropriate, but certainly not anything terrible.