Friend or foe, we work to stifle other countries economies as if they are enemies. Just look at Germany today, for example.

The US effectively crushed the rise of Japan, but only by getting it to agree to economic humiliation. Washington wants to achieve a similar “economic subjugation” of Beijing today, but with an added military dynamic. It wants to carve up China’s market for its own firms while systematically, both at home and abroad, undermining the success of Chinese companies. It also hopes that, in turn, China will react in ways that will stifle its own economic growth and kick off its own ‘lost decade’ where it will no longer be able to compete with the US.

The key point is that the US does not wish to see competing economies thrive. The post-war Japanese state has been successful, but it has never been allowed to grow to the point where it could shake off US control over it. Similarly, the US has taken measures to cripple the autonomy and prosperity of Germany, especially through exploiting the Ukraine conflict. China of course, is seen as both a competitor and an adversary, and as such there is no goodwill for China’s rise. A Japanified China is one which will benefit the interests of the US, one that has less competitive products, and is therefore forced to accommodate more American ones.

It is inevitable that given China’s current difficulties, its situation is now being compared to Japan’s. But there is more to it than that, because the beginning of Japan’s decline was not just a product of poor economic policies but also of geopolitics. Similar to how the US now sees China, Tokyo was once viewed as a competitor to be crushed before it could overtake the US in economic size, and with the 1985 Plaza Accord – designed to artificially weaken the US dollar against other currencies, including the yen, to reduce the US trade deficit – America did just that. Japan has since gone from being an ‘economy of the future’ to one of stagnation, and now the US hopes to curtail China’s rise in a similar, albeit more adversarial way.

First and foremost, be it friend or foe, the US absolutely resents any country being bigger than itself, seeing any upstart as a potential threat to American dominance over the world’s most strategic high-end goods and technologies. In the 1980s, Japan was undergoing an economic boom much like the one seen in China in recent years. It was the world’s second-largest economy and was poised to overtake the US. In the year 1995, Japan’s GDP peaked at $5.4 trillion, compared to America’s $7.6 trillion.

In the preceding decade, the US had taken tremendous fault with Japan’s rise and began to scaremonger about Tokyo, predicting an “economic Pearl Harbor” and, surprisingly enough, repeating many of the same attacks it is making against China today. The accusations levelled at Japan included the familiar-sounding “unfair trade practices” and “theft of intellectual property.” The result was that the US began to take measures against Japanese companies and wield protectionist policies to push its products out of the American market, while at the same time demanding more access to the Japanese one.

(08-25-2023 12:13 AM)Todor Wrote:  The accusations levelled at Japan included the familiar-sounding “unfair trade practices” and “theft of intellectual property.”

The "theft of intellectual property" accusations are very valid against China. It is truly amazing how many USA high-tech companies expose their IP to theft by working in China.

The "unfair trade practices" are largely self-inflicted by the USA. We could fix that one against the whole world, but so far have shown no indication to do so.

Are there any other despotic and tyrannical regimes you wish to defend?

And???

(08-25-2023 12:13 AM)Todor Wrote:  It is inevitable that given China’s current difficulties, its situation is now being compared to Japan’s. But there is more to it than that, because the beginning of Japan’s decline was not just a product of poor economic policies but also of geopolitics. Similar to how the US now sees China, Tokyo was once viewed as a competitor to be crushed before it could overtake the US in economic size, and with the 1985 Plaza Accord – designed to artificially weaken the US dollar against other currencies, including the yen, to reduce the US trade deficit – America did just that. Japan has since gone from being an ‘economy of the future’ to one of stagnation, and now the US hopes to curtail China’s rise in a similar, albeit more adversarial way.

First and foremost, be it friend or foe, the US absolutely resents any country being bigger than itself, seeing any upstart as a potential threat to American dominance over the world’s most strategic high-end goods and technologies. In the 1980s, Japan was undergoing an economic boom much like the one seen in China in recent years. It was the world’s second-largest economy and was poised to overtake the US. In the year 1995, Japan’s GDP peaked at $5.4 trillion, compared to America’s $7.6 trillion.

In the preceding decade, the US had taken tremendous fault with Japan’s rise and began to scaremonger about Tokyo, predicting an “economic Pearl Harbor” and, surprisingly enough, repeating many of the same attacks it is making against China today. The accusations levelled at Japan included the familiar-sounding “unfair trade practices” and “theft of intellectual property.” The result was that the US began to take measures against Japanese companies and wield protectionist policies to push its products out of the American market, while at the same time demanding more access to the Japanese one.

It’s called competition.

I also would note that Japan and China both have great similarity in they are both nations that are massive net importers of both food and energy. Both are nations that survive by being net exporters but must import many key manufacturing inputs making them very vulnerable to outside factors. Both are nations facing demographic collapse—-though Japans demographic collapse is the result of organic factors while Chinas collapse is largely due to government policy with additinal organic components.

It’s interesting that you’ve chosen to ignore the fact that both economies rose from complete isolation with almost no economic influence on the world to becoming competitors for world economic dominance largely because of the efforts of the US to open both nation’s up to the outside world and later due to the American Bretton Woods Rules Based Order that made easy smooth peaceful free trade possible amongst all the worlds nations via safe freedom of seas navigation guaranteed by the US Navy.

(08-25-2023 05:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 12:13 AM)Todor Wrote:  The accusations levelled at Japan included the familiar-sounding “unfair trade practices” and “theft of intellectual property.”

The "theft of intellectual property" accusations are very valid against China. It is truly amazing how many USA high-tech companies expose their IP to theft by working in China.

The "unfair trade practices" are largely self-inflicted by the USA. We could fix that one against the whole world, but so far have shown no indication to do so.

They have to expose it someone because we are no longer capable of making most things here. I suppose it’s technically possible to assemble some products here, but they would have to be priced sky high.

People copying others is as old as the world. We do it too.

(08-25-2023 06:02 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Are there any other despotic and tyrannical regimes you wish to defend?

I care more about things I’m responsible for than things I’m not responsible for. I’m funny that way.

You should look at Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution. You think the US can get China to agree to that?

(08-25-2023 05:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 12:13 AM)Todor Wrote:  The accusations levelled at Japan included the familiar-sounding “unfair trade practices” and “theft of intellectual property.”

The "theft of intellectual property" accusations are very valid against China. It is truly amazing how many USA high-tech companies expose their IP to theft by working in China.

The "unfair trade practices" are largely self-inflicted by the USA. We could fix that one against the whole world, but so far have shown no indication to do so.

Todor isn't a serious participant on the forum and most likely is a sock puppet of one of the regulars here. He and andybible are sock puppets of the same guy most likely. Pretty sure I know who.

(08-25-2023 05:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 12:13 AM)Todor Wrote:  The accusations levelled at Japan included the familiar-sounding “unfair trade practices” and “theft of intellectual property.”

The "theft of intellectual property" accusations are very valid against China. It is truly amazing how many USA high-tech companies expose their IP to theft by working in China.

The "unfair trade practices" are largely self-inflicted by the USA. We could fix that one against the whole world, but so far have shown no indication to do so.

Exactly.

The problem with the free marketers is that there is no such thing. That's why we need to have managed trade. We have been playing by a set of rules while nobody else does.

Since you're not going to site your source, I'll do it for you.

Russia Today

(08-25-2023 01:19 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Since you're not going to site your source, I'll do it for you.

Russia Today

Shocker. Its becoming clear that dude simply hates America and anything the nation does. It seems like he posts every anti-American thing he can possibly lay his hands on. Pretty sure Russia has a very open immigration policy. Seems like he'd be much happier there.

I was going to ask where that drivel came from. Figures it’s coming from Xi’s new puppet country.

If you know history, Japan was nothing pre WWII. They fought us with a mostly wooden naval fleet. They had tradition and a warrior spirit, but no modern technology. We built Japan into an economic powerhouse after destroying them.

Germany deserves to suffer and should never be allowed to be too prosperous. They have the worst track record of aggression in modern times (a strong one that goes back 2,000 years actually).

(08-25-2023 01:19 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Since you're not going to site your source, I'll do it for you.

Russia Today

I follow this writer directly on Telegram (that’s an app FYI) I know he has been published on RT, and dozens of other publications. I don’t SITE much from Telegram because not enough Americans use it to be relevant. And I know with the average curiosity and ambition many Americans have, few would be capable of downloading it or creating an account to read one article. Hell, none of my trolls read the articles I post anyway, but that doesn’t stop them. And while a few like you pop up once in a while, I get the sense that the others average about 90 years from their cliche and trite 1950’s middle class perception of the world. I don’t want them to stroke out trying to figure out a new app. And stress is SITED as a major cause of those types of issues.

But your response gave me some good inSITE. You didn’t SITE any issues with the article content, yet still want to be contentious. Did you not read it? Is there something wrong with your SITE? By that, I meant your eyeSITE, not the webSITE. Perhaps you can go down to the Rexall after Wheel of Fortune and pick yourself up some specs.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/cite-vs-site-vs-sight/
(I am often accused of being too subtle and not saying what I really mean, so perhaps this will be of some value to you.

https://lowincomerelief.com/how-to-get-a-ged/

Thanks for being the first illiterate moron to respond to me today. By this time, I usually have several already.

(08-25-2023 02:42 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 01:19 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Since you're not going to site your source, I'll do it for you.

Russia Today

I follow this writer directly on Telegram (that’s an app FYI) I know he has been published on RT, and dozens of other publications. I don’t SITE much from Telegram because not enough Americans use it to be relevant. And I know with the average curiosity and ambition many Americans have, few would be capable of downloading it or creating an account to read one article. Hell, none of my trolls read the articles I post anyway, but that doesn’t stop them. And while a few like you pop up once in a while, I get the sense that the others average about 90 years from their cliche and trite 1950’s middle class perception of the world. I don’t want them to stroke out trying to figure out a new app. And stress is SITED as a major cause of those types of issues.

But your response gave me some good inSITE. You didn’t SITE any issues with the article content, yet still want to be contentious. Did you not read it? Is there something wrong with your SITE? By that, I meant your eyeSITE, not the webSITE. Perhaps you can go down to the Rexall after Wheel of Fortune and pick yourself up some.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/cite-vs-site-vs-sight/
(I am often accused of being too subtle and not saying what I really mean, so perhaps this will be of some value to you.

https://lowincomerelief.com/how-to-get-a-ged/

Thanks for being the first illiterate moron to respond to me today. By this time, I usually have several already.

Thanks for the "How to get a GED" link. Don't think I'll need it since I've already earned my Master's in Civil Engineering. So suck a dick, Igor. Fortunately for me, my job designing infrastructure doesn't require perfect grammar.

Didn't feel the need to comment on Russian state owned propaganda, other than I thought that you posting it here without a link was a bit disingenuous.

(08-25-2023 03:09 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 02:42 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 01:19 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Since you're not going to site your source, I'll do it for you.

Russia Today

I follow this writer directly on Telegram (that’s an app FYI) I know he has been published on RT, and dozens of other publications. I don’t SITE much from Telegram because not enough Americans use it to be relevant. And I know with the average curiosity and ambition many Americans have, few would be capable of downloading it or creating an account to read one article. Hell, none of my trolls read the articles I post anyway, but that doesn’t stop them. And while a few like you pop up once in a while, I get the sense that the others average about 90 years from their cliche and trite 1950’s middle class perception of the world. I don’t want them to stroke out trying to figure out a new app. And stress is SITED as a major cause of those types of issues.

But your response gave me some good inSITE. You didn’t SITE any issues with the article content, yet still want to be contentious. Did you not read it? Is there something wrong with your SITE? By that, I meant your eyeSITE, not the webSITE. Perhaps you can go down to the Rexall after Wheel of Fortune and pick yourself up some.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/cite-vs-site-vs-sight/
(I am often accused of being too subtle and not saying what I really mean, so perhaps this will be of some value to you.

https://lowincomerelief.com/how-to-get-a-ged/

Thanks for being the first illiterate moron to respond to me today. By this time, I usually have several already.

Thanks for the "How to get a GED" link. Don't think I'll need it since I've already earned my Master's in Civil Engineering. So suck a dick, Igor. Fortunately for me, my job designing infrastructure doesn't require perfect grammar.

Didn't feel the need to comment on Russian state owned propaganda, other than I thought that you posting it here without a link was a bit disingenuous.

Lol. Thanks for playing chump.

(08-25-2023 03:11 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 03:09 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 02:42 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 01:19 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Since you're not going to site your source, I'll do it for you.

Russia Today

I follow this writer directly on Telegram (that’s an app FYI) I know he has been published on RT, and dozens of other publications. I don’t SITE much from Telegram because not enough Americans use it to be relevant. And I know with the average curiosity and ambition many Americans have, few would be capable of downloading it or creating an account to read one article. Hell, none of my trolls read the articles I post anyway, but that doesn’t stop them. And while a few like you pop up once in a while, I get the sense that the others average about 90 years from their cliche and trite 1950’s middle class perception of the world. I don’t want them to stroke out trying to figure out a new app. And stress is SITED as a major cause of those types of issues.

But your response gave me some good inSITE. You didn’t SITE any issues with the article content, yet still want to be contentious. Did you not read it? Is there something wrong with your SITE? By that, I meant your eyeSITE, not the webSITE. Perhaps you can go down to the Rexall after Wheel of Fortune and pick yourself up some.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/cite-vs-site-vs-sight/
(I am often accused of being too subtle and not saying what I really mean, so perhaps this will be of some value to you.

https://lowincomerelief.com/how-to-get-a-ged/

Thanks for being the first illiterate moron to respond to me today. By this time, I usually have several already.

Thanks for the "How to get a GED" link. Don't think I'll need it since I've already earned my Master's in Civil Engineering. So suck a dick, Igor. Fortunately for me, my job designing infrastructure doesn't require perfect grammar.

Didn't feel the need to comment on Russian state owned propaganda, other than I thought that you posting it here without a link was a bit disingenuous.

Lol. Thanks for playing chump.

LOL, you might find a firebrand tied to your tail if you keep hunting. Unless of course you prefer the written word instead.

(08-25-2023 12:11 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 05:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-25-2023 12:13 AM)Todor Wrote:  The accusations levelled at Japan included the familiar-sounding “unfair trade practices” and “theft of intellectual property.”

The "theft of intellectual property" accusations are very valid against China. It is truly amazing how many USA high-tech companies expose their IP to theft by working in China.

The "unfair trade practices" are largely self-inflicted by the USA. We could fix that one against the whole world, but so far have shown no indication to do so.

Todor isn't a serious participant on the forum and most likely is a sock puppet of one of the regulars here. He and andybible are sock puppets of the same guy most likely. Pretty sure I know who.

Keep sniffing it out Nancy Drew. But you’re way off base chump. Maybe you and the other Hardly Boys can call in for Buford T Justice and Junior. I think your detective crew needs a little more brain power because you don’t know what you’re talking about at all. Not even a little. Stay in your lane and give up your guessing games. Talk about the article content, or stifle it.

A bunch of people swear I’m in Russia working a Putins secret lab to destroy the internet world, some think I’m anti American because I call our f’d up foreign policy out for what it is, now people thing I’m an actually another poster entirely. You can sit and bicker about your partisanship all you want but I’m still more concerned with US foreign policy and it’s blundering failures that cost a fortune, often backfire,’are disjointed and chaotic, swings wildly from one goal to the next, and often leave people worse than we found them and hating us to boot. Sorry that nobody likes that topic, but it’s legit and it’s a problem. An expensive problem.

Meanwhile, despite the continued efforts to lead the thread off topic. A vast majority of people say we need to curtail China’s economic growth, that it would be good strategy, and good for America.

When I post an article that shows exactly how we are indeed doing that, you call it anti-America. Figure out what you believe before you get the sniffles because an article didn’t stroke the US ego enough even though the jist of it is something you support.

(08-25-2023 04:08 PM)Todor Wrote:  When I post an article that shows exactly how we are indeed doing that, you call it anti-America. Figure out what you believe before you get the sniffles because an article didn’t stroke the US ego enough even though the jist of it is something you support.

*gist

Gist or Jist?

https://lowincomerelief.com/how-to-get-a-ged/

What an illiterate moron!