Assumptions:

1. Networks would still like to group the new conference set ups by like value associations.

2. That California and Stanford to the ACC could be the start of something entirely different within realignment. An academic association which wants to play big time football, but not stress big time football.

3. That the Big 12 will stress Big Time football and continue to build a high level hoops profile.

4. That the SEC and Big 10 will build sports championship level conferences each with its own unique emphasis but holding football and basketball very much central.

5. That Northwestern and Vanderbilt will be lured to the New ACC.

6. Under these conditions Clemson, Florida State, and Louisville will seek new associations.

ACC:

Boston College, California, Northwestern, Pittsburgh, Stanford, Syracuse

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida, Southern Methodist, Tulane, Wake Forest

*Notre Dame


Big 10:

California Los Angeles, Colorado, Nebraska, Oregon, Southern California, Washington

Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin

Indiana, Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers


Big 12:

Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Oregon State, San Diego State, Utah

Cincinnati, Colorado State, Iowa State, Kansas State, Louisville, West Virginia

Baylor, Central Florida, Houston, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Texas Tech



SEC:

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Kentucky, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


These are four groupings which have some regionality due to division set ups.

The break down as two 75–80-million-dollar conferences, a 45-million-dollar conference, and 32-million-dollar conference which could add a network.

By revisiting this I just wanted to demonstrate under the new conditions how each could have cohesion in mission, revenue, and emphasis. In many ways these 4 are quite superior to what we have now.

(08-24-2023 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Assumptions:

1. Networks would still like to group the new conference set ups by like value associations.

2. That California and Stanford to the ACC could be the start of something entirely different within realignment. An academic association which wants to play big time football, but not stress big time football.

3. That the Big 12 will stress Big Time football and continue to build a high level hoops profile.

4. That the SEC and Big 10 will build sports championship level conferences each with its own unique emphasis but holding football and basketball very much central.

5. That Northwestern and Vanderbilt will be lured to the New ACC.

6. Under these conditions Clemson, Florida State, and Louisville will seek new associations.

ACC:

Boston College, California, Northwestern, Pittsburgh, Stanford, Syracuse

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida, Southern Methodist, Tulane, Wake Forest

*Notre Dame


Big 10:

California Los Angeles, Colorado, Nebraska, Oregon, Southern California, Washington

Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin

Indiana, Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers


Big 12:

Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Oregon State, San Diego State, Utah

Cincinnati, Colorado State, Iowa State, Kansas State, Louisville, West Virginia

Baylor, Central Florida, Houston, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Texas Tech



SEC:

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Kentucky, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


These are four groupings which have some regionality due to division set ups.

The break down as two 75–80-million-dollar conferences, a 45-million-dollar conference, and 32-million-dollar conference which could add a network.

By revisiting this I just wanted to demonstrate under the new conditions how each could have cohesion in mission, revenue, and emphasis. In many ways these 4 are quite superior to what we have now.

I see what you're trying to accomplish, but I think we both know that Northwestern and Vanderbilt aren't going anywhere.

I think you'd be more likely to get SEC votes for South Carolina to leave, than Vanderbilt, if only because SC isn't a founding member.

That said, I think four 18s are possible, though I think the SEC and the Big10 aren't stopping at 18.

It all really comes down to whether ACC schools actually become available, or if it's a "controlled move" by the conferences and espn.

(08-24-2023 11:29 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(08-24-2023 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Assumptions:

1. Networks would still like to group the new conference set ups by like value associations.

2. That California and Stanford to the ACC could be the start of something entirely different within realignment. An academic association which wants to play big time football, but not stress big time football.

3. That the Big 12 will stress Big Time football and continue to build a high level hoops profile.

4. That the SEC and Big 10 will build sports championship level conferences each with its own unique emphasis but holding football and basketball very much central.

5. That Northwestern and Vanderbilt will be lured to the New ACC.

6. Under these conditions Clemson, Florida State, and Louisville will seek new associations.

ACC:

Boston College, California, Northwestern, Pittsburgh, Stanford, Syracuse

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida, Southern Methodist, Tulane, Wake Forest

*Notre Dame


Big 10:

California Los Angeles, Colorado, Nebraska, Oregon, Southern California, Washington

Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin

Indiana, Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers


Big 12:

Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Oregon State, San Diego State, Utah

Cincinnati, Colorado State, Iowa State, Kansas State, Louisville, West Virginia

Baylor, Central Florida, Houston, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Texas Tech



SEC:

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Kentucky, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


These are four groupings which have some regionality due to division set ups.

The break down as two 75–80-million-dollar conferences, a 45-million-dollar conference, and 32-million-dollar conference which could add a network.

By revisiting this I just wanted to demonstrate under the new conditions how each could have cohesion in mission, revenue, and emphasis. In many ways these 4 are quite superior to what we have now.

I see what you're trying to accomplish, but I think we both know that Northwestern and Vanderbilt aren't going anywhere.

I think you'd be more likely to get SEC votes for South Carolina to leave, than Vanderbilt, if only because SC isn't a founding member.

That said, I think four 18s are possible, though I think the SEC and the Big10 aren't stopping at 18.

It all really comes down to whether ACC schools actually become available, or if it's a "controlled move" by the conferences and espn.

If there was ever a grouping that could tempt Vanderbilt and Northwestern away it is this one. And if there was ever a way to make close to what they were making, deemphasize the pressure to sustain with giants, enjoy the potential access and specialize your focus it is now. NIL and PAY for PLAY will stress both schools. Why not join UNC, Duke, UVa, Stanford and Cal? No dishonor there and a lot more breathing room. So, I disagree with your assessment. And while the SEC and Big 10 enjoy their academic anchors the world has changed and I would suspect both would be remembered all the more fondly for having the grace to know when to leave.

And you read to many ACC trolls if you think South Carolina is going anywhere or wants to.

There is a fundamental shift going on which will redefine everything we thought we knew about associations. I think UNC, Duke and UVa have had to weigh it carefully and come to a conclusion that for them what they do now is more important than becoming a sports focused school and that acceptance at any level in the new upper tier is good enough if they don't have to sacrifice their identities to be a part of it.

The Big 12 is simply trying to prove their way in and will do so. They have tickets to the ball and all they want to do is dance.

The SEC and Big 10 become Barnum and Baily's two big tent poles for the whole circus to perform under. And that is our new world coming.

Unless the media firms pay up now, too many from the ACC will be lost beforehand from the OP's list.