(08-22-2023 07:29 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  In 12 years, the pecking order could have changed again.

Big 12's next media deal could be a disappointment.

Yappy could be SEC Commissioner by then.

Or, he could be the next ACC commish.

(08-22-2023 07:29 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  In 12 years, the pecking order could have changed again.

Big 12's next media deal could be a disappointment.

Yappy could be SEC Commissioner by then.

ESPN could be out of business, too.

I would rank all of the teams (from the Big 12's perspective), with the assumption that the top 2-6 go to the P2:

1. FSU
2. Clemson
3. Miami
4. UNC
5. Louisville
6. VT
7. NC St
8. UVA
9. GT
10. Pitt
11. Duke
12. Syracuse
13. WF
14. BC

Interestingly, with the rise of many of the lower-end teams over the past few years in fan enthusiasm, I could see scenarios where, if the ACC loses 6-8, the Big 12 just grabs everyone else and takes over the ACCN. I could also see scenarios where only 2 teams get out of the ACC and they backfill with WV and UCF. It's going to be very interesting to see how things shake out.

If the top 4 end up moving on, then the Big 12 probably takes 2-6 additional teams. Also, it's hard to know how they would evaluate Duke. They're like a VERY rich man's version of UConn: all of the basketball success, more really, but not terrible in football and they've been P5/4 for a very long time. Also, T1 Academics would be hard to pass up. Maybe the Big 12 originally decides to go with 4, then there's a big push for Duke, so they throw in one more to even out the numbers, or maybe someone like Cal or Stanford from the rebuilt Pac4. If they're really going to end up as the best of the rest conference, they'll end up having to make these sorts of decisions.

(08-22-2023 08:05 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I would rank all of the teams (from the Big 12's perspective), with the assumption that the top 2-6 go to the P2:

1. FSU
2. Clemson
3. Miami
4. UNC
5. Louisville
6. VT
7. NC St
8. UVA
9. GT
10. Pitt
11. Duke
12. Syracuse
13. WF
14. BC

Interestingly, with the rise of many of the lower-end teams over the past few years in fan enthusiasm, I could see scenarios where, if the ACC loses 6-8, the Big 12 just grabs everyone else and takes over the ACCN. I could also see scenarios where only 2 teams get out of the ACC and they backfill with WV and UCF. It's going to be very interesting to see how things shake out.

If the top 4 end up moving on, then the Big 12 probably takes 2-6 additional teams. Also, it's hard to know how they would evaluate Duke. They're like a VERY rich man's version of UConn: all of the basketball success, more really, but not terrible in football and they've been P5/4 for a very long time. Also, T1 Academics would be hard to pass up. Maybe the Big 12 originally decides to go with 4, then there's a big push for Duke, so they throw in one more to even out the numbers, or maybe someone like Cal or Stanford from the rebuilt Pac4. If they're really going to end up as the best of the rest conference, they'll end up having to make these sorts of decisions.

Like I said, the ACC would have more money to play with to grab Big 12, ODU, AAC and Buffalo schools to still make it a P Conference. Why leave when you could grab a UCF, USF, Cincinnati, WVU, ODU, UAB, Georgia State, Temple, Memphis, Buffalo, Rice, Houston, Kansas, Tulane, etc.

(08-22-2023 07:29 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  In 12 years, the pecking order could have changed again.

Big 12's next media deal could be a disappointment.

Yappy could be SEC Commissioner by then.

In 12 years the ACC may have been dead for 10 years

(08-22-2023 04:46 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Who would the top targets from the ACC be for Yormark???

1. GaTech
2. VaTech/NCSU (I’d assume at least one gets into a P2)
3. Miami (also doubt their availability)
4. Pitt
5. UL
6. Cuse
7. WF
8. BC

Not looking good for WF and BC…

Top realistic targets are Pitt and Louisville and less likely VA Tech and NC State.

The Big XII is going to need a deal when both ESPN and FOX are renegotiating with their bell cows. People assume the Big XII is just going to get some great deal that’s worth more than what the ACC will be guaranteed to make around then.

(08-22-2023 04:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  Unless the SEC and Big 10 go to 24, which I consider unlikely for financial reasons, let alone logistical, the ACC will still be fine. The money won't make sense to travel across country for the remainder. There will be an M2. Big 12 in the west. ACC on the Atlantic. They may even cooperate and juggle schools.

I think that the ACC easily deals with 2 losses, they handle 4 losses ok as long as they have Calford in the fold, but any more than 4, or even just 4 with no Calford, and they'll be vulnerable to Yormark and the 1216 Grenadiers.

(08-22-2023 06:17 PM)b2b Wrote:  When is the Big 12 deal up? I wouldn't bank on ACC schools groveling at the feet of the Big 12. I can just as easily see a scenario where the ACC adds WVU, UCF and Cincy.

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Especially IF the ACC loses FSU, Clemson, UNC to the SEC...

(08-22-2023 06:10 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Still don’t give a rat’s ass about joining the Big XII.

Don't worry, you won't have to.

Rethinking that firing of Danny Manning?

(08-22-2023 06:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m going to assume Florida St, Clemson, and UNC would all be gone. It’s debatable as to who the 4th would be, so I’ll rank all 11:

1. VT
2. Miami
3. Louisville
4. NC St
5. Virginia
6. GT
7. Pitt
8. Syracuse
9. Duke
10. BC
11. WF

Same assumption of Florida St, Clemson, UNC gone but also including Virginia as gone too:
1) Virginia Tech
2) Louisville
3) Miami FL
4) Pitt (maybe a touch biased with all the rivalries)

If really adding six then:
5) Georgia Tech
6) NC State

If Yormark gets his bball dream and bananaland 8:
7) Duke
8) Syracuse

Oh boy it’s the realignment board (Non ACC):
9) Ugonn
10) Gonzaga

No chance:
Boston College
Wake Forest

(08-22-2023 09:35 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 06:10 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Still don’t give a rat’s ass about joining the Big XII.

Don't worry, you won't have to.

Rethinking that firing of Danny Manning?

I could see ACC grabs Kansas as well with Rice, Tulane and Memphis.

Georgia Tech is 14 of 14. ACC could make more money kicking them out.

(08-22-2023 04:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  Unless the SEC and Big 10 go to 24, which I consider unlikely for financial reasons, let alone logistical, the ACC will still be fine. The money won't make sense to travel across country for the remainder. There will be an M2. Big 12 in the west. ACC on the Atlantic. They may even cooperate and juggle schools.

I think the Big 10 goes to 24 and the SEC could stop at 20.

Big 10 expands with Cal and Stanford (eventually), UVA, VT, or NC State (whichever gets closer to AAU)Duke and GT
SEC with Clemson, FSU, UNC and Miami

That would give the Big 12: Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, NC State/VT for 20

I think Wake has an outside shot especially if NC State goes to the P2.

If they are looking to fan Eastern rivalries, it will be Louisville (Cincy/WVU), Pitt (WVU/Cincy), Syracuse (Pitt, WV, Cincy, Louisville), and VT(WVU) plus Pitt and Cuse if they are already in.

(08-22-2023 05:09 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  Louisville, Miami, Syracuse and UConn (or Duke) are who I think will wind up in the B12.

VPI and NCSU will wind up in the P2.

GT, Wake and BC are the ones most likely to be left out but probably in a “best of the rest” conference.

Yeah NC St is great, they would be in the 10 team P1 if there was such a thing. /sarcasm

What is with people's obsession with NC St? They're not AAU, if the B1G would consider them then they'd consider a whole bunch of other schools, too. I would rank the following schools as clearly ahead of NC St in the P2 pecking order:

1. FSU
2. Clemson
3. UNC
4. Miami
5. UVA
6. VT
7. ASU
8. CU
9. KU
10. Stanford
11. Cal
12. UArizona
13. Utah

Why so many? Miami has 5 titles, Stanford is Stanford, and the rest are Flagships or strong 1A schools, all but 3 of which are also AAU. For the B1G, this is probably where the list stops. For the SEC, there could be some push for NC St, but I'd imagine that we, too, would prefer to add schools that are #1 or a very strong #2 in their market instead of a very weak #2 or #3 like NC St is. Certainly, none of the 14 schools the P2 have added in the past 30+ years give any indication that we'll take afterthought schools. If NC St had Miami's 5 titles, or they were AAU, or they were on equal footing with UNC (or even Duke) in the State, ok, sure, maybe there's a conversation to be had there, but they have none of those things. Their best future is as a quality contributor to Conference #3.

Remember the Missouri Line.

6m pop state
Flagship
AAU
Only FBS school in entire state
good but not great Athletic history, they've held their own in the SEC

Does anybody think that the SEC would add Missouri today as a standalone? I really like them, and their fan experience is great...but they're definitely at the very end of what we'd consider right now. Now, let's look at NC St for comparison:

10m pop state - brings about 1/3 of it = 3.3m people roughly
not Flagship, but instead a very weak #2 or #3
Not AAU
crapton of FBS schools (7 in fact) splintering fans in state
good but not great Athletic history, they'd probably perform about as well as Missouri has

So, it's a clear loss on 4 line items, and one is a tie. NC St is quite a bit below the Missouri line. If both of the P2 go to 24, then it's POSSIBLE that NC St squeaks in as that 24th school and last pick overall, but the very fact that they'd be under consideration at all is all we need to know about the likelihood of us jumping to 24 each soon, if ever.

(08-22-2023 06:03 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 04:46 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Who would the top targets from the ACC be for Yormark???

1. GaTech SEC
2. VaTech/NCSU (I’d assume at least one gets into a P2) SEC/SEC
3. Miami (also doubt their availability) B1G :pray:
4. Pitt XII
5. UL XII
6. Cuse XII
7. WF American and/or Big East
8. BC XII or American/Big East

Not looking good for WF and BC…

Come on, man. The SEC would have taken back GT decades ago, but that ship has now sailed. They're no threat to us if they join the B1G, and we already dominate Atlanta and the entire state without them.

(08-22-2023 06:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  To the ACC.
West Virginia
UCF
Cincinnati
Memphis
ODU
UAB
Tulane
Kansas
Rice
Buffalo

ACC still have the better academics, basketball and the ACC Network which the last part the Big 12 don't have.

Two of the last three NCAA Men's Champions have come from the Big XII, which also includes Kansas beating a North Carolina Tar Heels squad that probably hit their ceiling after upsetting Duke in the Final Four.

Man, you really hate the Big XII, don't you?

(08-23-2023 04:33 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 06:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  To the ACC.
West Virginia
UCF
Cincinnati
Memphis
ODU
UAB
Tulane
Kansas
Rice
Buffalo

ACC still have the better academics, basketball and the ACC Network which the last part the Big 12 don't have.

Two of the last three NCAA Men's Champions have come from the Big XII, which also includes Kansas beating a North Carolina Tar Heels squad that probably hit their ceiling after upsetting Duke in the Final Four.

Man, you really hate the Big XII, don't you?

Hit their ceiling leading at half time in the natty? They certainly underperformed/were finding themselves in early half of the season, for sure. It would have been interesting if KU wasn't allowed to commit assault and battery on Brady Manek the entire game.

Baylor had a nice run for the title during a strange COVID year. Do most casual fans remember that? You put a 7 on the line next to them come March and I highly doubt it.

(08-22-2023 06:10 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Still don’t give a rat’s ass about joining the Big XII.

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait... you are not allowed to think any differently here on NCAABBS. Everyone knows it will be the B1G FOX, the SEspnC, and the Big XXIV with their imaginary lucrative deal that will seduce eight (!) ACC schools, all brought to us by Yormark's magic slipper.

Because, you know, three major leagues always work. Take a look at the MLB and the rival PCL. Oh wait, the MLB just poached the money makers and demoted the PCL to a farm system. Never mind.

Okay, okay. Let's look elsewhere. Three leagues works because. Well. There are three major bidders out there to elevate the Big XXIV to "P" status. Right? Yep, you have the B1G FOX renegotiating to increase 18 members payouts, you got the SEspnC renegotiating to increase 16 members payouts, and you got... um. Yormark Linear TV!

No, Mr. esayem, silly guy, always wrong. The Big XXIV will be the best of the rest conference.

Ohhhhh, I get it. I actually know this song and dance. The Big XXIV will be like what the AAC is now?!?! Yep, what a spot to be in. Bliss. I can totally see this happening just like the MWC joined forces with the AAC to be the strongest lower tier FBS league. Makes total sense. We've seen it happen with the monetary incentive for MWC schools to join the AAC.