The Stanford-SMU relationship has been one of the more interesting developments in recent realignment news.

Stanford-SMU relationship seems stronger than Stanford-Wazzu. Schultz openly complaining about waiting on Stanford. To me that proves Stanford-Wazzu relationship is rocky at best, completely over at worst.

ACC Invite for Stanford-SMU is unlikely.

Could Stanford-SMU relationship lead to an American (AAC) Sweetheart deal?
- All the smaller AAC brands benefit from the Brand Recognition Stanford brings to the conference. So much so, I think a sweetheart deal is justified.
- SMU is the strongest brand name remaining in the AAC. They are threatening to leave for ACC or help build a new PAC. Giving SMU a Sweetheart deal with Stanford locks them both in.
- AAC would becomes a conference with national footprint with Stanford addition
- ESPN already has a relationship with AAC

I don't see the value of rebuilding the PAC without a major media company backing them.

I don't see the value of going independent with such short notice. You would be hard pressed for time to create a 2024 Schedule. Then you would need to find a Media Partner to buy you're home games. Then after all that, you need to find a Bowl Partner in the event of a winning season. All while hoping players don't transfer and coaches don't accept offers from programs in a more stable financial situation.

Memphis and Tulane would walk. Probably would lose Navy, Temple, ECU, and USF too. Tulsa might call the MW.

You think that that Pac 4 would prefer to join the AAC instead of rebuilding the Pac?

People overestimated the ACC 2 years ago when they openly declared that the ACC was raiding the Big 12. Now? Most of the ACC gets $2m a year, while the Big 12 gets $31.7m, plus a whole lot more from bowls, NCAAT units, and CFP money, among other things. Call it $50m vs $5m total. The new Pac won't sniff $50m, but they'll get $30m a year for a couple years, then perhaps drop down to $20-25m a year after that. Still 5x what the AAC has, and, let's remember that the AAC lost their 3 top brands last year and replaced them with 6 CUSA schools...it's not really the same AAC that originally signed that deal with ESPN.

Not happening. For many reasons.

(08-22-2023 03:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Memphis and Tulane would walk. Probably would lose Navy, Temple, ECU, and USF too. Tulsa might call the MW.

Walk to where? The AAC members have nowhere else to go.

I don't see any sweetheart deal unless ESPN offers them special money. Would I care about that? Maybe. Maybe not.

(08-22-2023 03:59 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Memphis and Tulane would walk. Probably would lose Navy, Temple, ECU, and USF too. Tulsa might call the MW.

Walk to where? The AAC members have nowhere else to go.

I don't see any sweetheart deal unless ESPN offers them special money. Would I care about that? Maybe. Maybe not.

To their backyards and come back when they realize they have no better options.

If Stanford can't get into the ACC and the PAC-4 can't rebuild themselves by cherry picking the MWC and AAC it's hard to imagine they wouldn't just merge with the MWC for logistical reasons if nothing else.

(08-22-2023 04:00 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:59 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Memphis and Tulane would walk. Probably would lose Navy, Temple, ECU, and USF too. Tulsa might call the MW.

Walk to where? The AAC members have nowhere else to go.

I don't see any sweetheart deal unless ESPN offers them special money. Would I care about that? Maybe. Maybe not.

To their backyards and come back when they realize they have no better options.

ECU and USF could join the Sunbelt tomorrow. I am sure that Temple could rejoin the MAC and maybe take UMass with them for all sports. Then Navy would just go back to being independent in football. Would that be worse than staying in the version of the AAC?

LOOK! ANOTHER STANFORD-SMU-ACC THREAD !!!!

(08-22-2023 04:07 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 04:00 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:59 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Memphis and Tulane would walk. Probably would lose Navy, Temple, ECU, and USF too. Tulsa might call the MW.

Walk to where? The AAC members have nowhere else to go.

I don't see any sweetheart deal unless ESPN offers them special money. Would I care about that? Maybe. Maybe not.

To their backyards and come back when they realize they have no better options.

ECU and USF could join the Sunbelt tomorrow. I am sure that Temple could rejoin the MAC and maybe take UMass with them for all sports. Then Navy would just go back to being independent in football. Would that be worse than staying in the version of the AAC?

And lose money? Those would be big step backwards.

Nobody's leaving the AAC out of protest. They're the schools that would have to vote to approve it. Geez.

If, and a big if, Aresco manages a merger and lands all 4 PAC schools then there probably will be a sweetheart deal. If ESPN says we'll give you X amount more, then the PAC4 says we want all of that then what does the AAC members do? Accept the extra members with little to no additional money for the honor of rubbing shoulders with them? No way does SMU get more pie, they really don't have anywhere to go.

(08-22-2023 04:09 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 04:07 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 04:00 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:59 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Memphis and Tulane would walk. Probably would lose Navy, Temple, ECU, and USF too. Tulsa might call the MW.

Walk to where? The AAC members have nowhere else to go.

I don't see any sweetheart deal unless ESPN offers them special money. Would I care about that? Maybe. Maybe not.

To their backyards and come back when they realize they have no better options.

ECU and USF could join the Sunbelt tomorrow. I am sure that Temple could rejoin the MAC and maybe take UMass with them for all sports. Then Navy would just go back to being independent in football. Would that be worse than staying in the version of the AAC?

And lose money? Those would be big step backwards.

Serious question, as some point wouldn't the money saved in travel costs equal the money lost in television rights? The remaining AAC members were kept whole when they add teams from CUSA in this contract, but is there any guarantee that they will in the next TV contract?

(08-22-2023 04:17 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 04:09 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 04:07 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 04:00 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:59 PM)Claw Wrote:  Walk to where? The AAC members have nowhere else to go.

I don't see any sweetheart deal unless ESPN offers them special money. Would I care about that? Maybe. Maybe not.

To their backyards and come back when they realize they have no better options.

ECU and USF could join the Sunbelt tomorrow. I am sure that Temple could rejoin the MAC and maybe take UMass with them for all sports. Then Navy would just go back to being independent in football. Would that be worse than staying in the version of the AAC?

And lose money? Those would be big step backwards.

Serious question, as some point wouldn't the money saved in travel costs equal the money lost in television rights? The remaining AAC members were kept whole when they add teams from CUSA in this contract, but is there any guarantee that they will in the next TV contract?

I assume Y'all will get a bump in pay, but the travel will be a breach.

But dropping to Mac or Co is a big drop.

SMU isn't getting a damn bit more than they do right now.

(08-22-2023 03:50 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  The Stanford-SMU relationship has been one of the more interesting developments in recent realignment news.

Stanford-SMU relationship seems stronger than Stanford-Wazzu. Schultz openly complaining about waiting on Stanford. To me that proves Stanford-Wazzu relationship is rocky at best, completely over at worst.

ACC Invite for Stanford-SMU is unlikely.

Could Stanford-SMU relationship lead to an American (AAC) Sweetheart deal?
- All the smaller AAC brands benefit from the Brand Recognition Stanford brings to the conference. So much so, I think a sweetheart deal is justified.
- SMU is the strongest brand name remaining in the AAC. They are threatening to leave for ACC or help build a new PAC. Giving SMU a Sweetheart deal with Stanford locks them both in.
- AAC would becomes a conference with national footprint with Stanford addition
- ESPN already has a relationship with AAC

I don't see the value of rebuilding the PAC without a major media company backing them.

I don't see the value of going independent with such short notice. You would be hard pressed for time to create a 2024 Schedule. Then you would need to find a Media Partner to buy you're home games. Then after all that, you need to find a Bowl Partner in the event of a winning season. All while hoping players don't transfer and coaches don't accept offers from programs in a more stable financial situation.

As I and other posters have noted multiple times, Stanford is not going to be associated with the bulk of the AAC members unless it absolutely has no choice.

(08-22-2023 03:50 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  The Stanford-SMU relationship has been one of the more interesting developments in recent realignment news.

Stanford-SMU relationship seems stronger than Stanford-Wazzu. Schultz openly complaining about waiting on Stanford. To me that proves Stanford-Wazzu relationship is rocky at best, completely over at worst.

ACC Invite for Stanford-SMU is unlikely.

Could Stanford-SMU relationship lead to an American (AAC) Sweetheart deal?
- All the smaller AAC brands benefit from the Brand Recognition Stanford brings to the conference. So much so, I think a sweetheart deal is justified.
- SMU is the strongest brand name remaining in the AAC. They are threatening to leave for ACC or help build a new PAC. Giving SMU a Sweetheart deal with Stanford locks them both in.
- AAC would becomes a conference with national footprint with Stanford addition
- ESPN already has a relationship with AAC

I don't see the value of rebuilding the PAC without a major media company backing them.

I don't see the value of going independent with such short notice. You would be hard pressed for time to create a 2024 Schedule. Then you would need to find a Media Partner to buy you're home games. Then after all that, you need to find a Bowl Partner in the event of a winning season. All while hoping players don't transfer and coaches don't accept offers from programs in a more stable financial situation.

More likely SMU ends up being step one in a Pac4 rebuild---followed quickly by Rice and Tulane. By the way---the Pac12 has an existing relationship with ESPN right now---and one with FOX as well. And is also down the road a ways with media talks with several other networks---so, plenty of different ways for a rebuilt Pac4 to craft a media deal.

SMU is the strongest brand in American?

If so, their whoring has done well for their brand. Before realignment Memphis and Tulane would be peers of SMU imo

(08-22-2023 04:07 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 04:00 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:59 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 03:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Memphis and Tulane would walk. Probably would lose Navy, Temple, ECU, and USF too. Tulsa might call the MW.

Walk to where? The AAC members have nowhere else to go.

I don't see any sweetheart deal unless ESPN offers them special money. Would I care about that? Maybe. Maybe not.

To their backyards and come back when they realize they have no better options.

ECU and USF could join the Sunbelt tomorrow. I am sure that Temple could rejoin the MAC and maybe take UMass with them for all sports. Then Navy would just go back to being independent in football. Would that be worse than staying in the version of the AAC?

No way is UMass joining the MAC for all sports. They already turned down that offer once. In basketball and olympic sports, they view the A-10 as superior to the MAC. And they're not wrong.

The only possible way UMass winds up back in the MAC is for football only.

(08-22-2023 04:09 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  LOOK! ANOTHER STANFORD-SMU-ACC THREAD !!!!

Seriously. The person who started this thread already wrote the exact same thing as a reply in a different thread today. Apparently that's not enough.

It's spam, junk. This idea has now been shot down on two different threads.

This was dumb enough when you posted this in a previous thread, and Frank gave a pretty good explanation of why this is stupid. Now you’re seriously creating a whole thread with this nonsense?