(08-30-2023 11:57 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:52 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:50 AM)Poster Wrote:  Well, still no word on when Monday night's meeting will be rescueduled.

Doesn't seem like a good sign for Cal, Stanford and SMU. It would seem kind of weird that the ACC wouldn't be in more of a hurry to reschedule the meeting if there currently were 12 or more votes for their admission. I mean, it's not just that the meeting hasn't occurred yet- it's that the meeting seemingly hasn't been rescheduled at all.

The tragedy at UNC altered the timeline and there are CFP meetings today. I wouldn’t read anything into it.

And that delay has apparently limited the agenda of the CFP meeting. They don't know what they will be dealing with.

I don't know that delaying resolution of Cal/Stanford to the ACC affects decisions about the CFP format. One way or another they will still be looking at a P4, because if the ACC doesn't take them there is nobody the PAC4 could add that would/should let them keep an AQ to the CFP.

(08-30-2023 12:11 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:57 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:52 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:50 AM)Poster Wrote:  Well, still no word on when Monday night's meeting will be rescueduled.

Doesn't seem like a good sign for Cal, Stanford and SMU. It would seem kind of weird that the ACC wouldn't be in more of a hurry to reschedule the meeting if there currently were 12 or more votes for their admission. I mean, it's not just that the meeting hasn't occurred yet- it's that the meeting seemingly hasn't been rescheduled at all.

The tragedy at UNC altered the timeline and there are CFP meetings today. I wouldn’t read anything into it.

And that delay has apparently limited the agenda of the CFP meeting. They don't know what they will be dealing with.

I don't know that delaying resolution of Cal/Stanford to the ACC affects decisions about the CFP format. One way or another they will still be looking at a P4, because if the ACC doesn't take them there is nobody the PAC4 could add that would/should let them keep an AQ to the CFP.

I think that it’s material in the sense that if the Pac-4 with Stanford/Cal rebuilt with schools like SMU, SDSU, et. al, they’d at least have a colorable argument that they should continue to have P5 status. It might be the weakest P5 league, but the presence of Stanford/Cal there makes it much more difficult to treat them like the rest of the G5. Maybe they wouldn’t prevail on that argument and still be relegated to G(6?) status, but at a minimum, a new Pac-12 with Stanford/Cal and one without Stanford/Cal would be looked at much differently. (Note that whether SMU is in that new Pac-12 is dependent on the ACC expansion, too.)

Plus, these commissioners and presidents have good reason to not deal in hypotheticals. They don’t want to make a preemptive judgement on whether a hypothetical league where we don’t know the members or if it can even exist would be a power conference or not. At the same time, when you have at least have 3 conferences that are being impacted by the decisions of the Pac-4 (ACC, MWC and AAC) plus the fact that the Pac-12 still exists as a legal entity itself with voting rights, it pretty much stunts all action with so many different conflicts of interest.

(08-30-2023 12:25 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 12:11 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:57 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:52 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:50 AM)Poster Wrote:  Well, still no word on when Monday night's meeting will be rescueduled.

Doesn't seem like a good sign for Cal, Stanford and SMU. It would seem kind of weird that the ACC wouldn't be in more of a hurry to reschedule the meeting if there currently were 12 or more votes for their admission. I mean, it's not just that the meeting hasn't occurred yet- it's that the meeting seemingly hasn't been rescheduled at all.

The tragedy at UNC altered the timeline and there are CFP meetings today. I wouldn’t read anything into it.

And that delay has apparently limited the agenda of the CFP meeting. They don't know what they will be dealing with.

I don't know that delaying resolution of Cal/Stanford to the ACC affects decisions about the CFP format. One way or another they will still be looking at a P4, because if the ACC doesn't take them there is nobody the PAC4 could add that would/should let them keep an AQ to the CFP.

I think that it’s material in the sense that if the Pac-4 with Stanford/Cal rebuilt with schools like SMU, SDSU, et. al, they’d at least have a colorable argument that they should continue to have P5 status. It might be the weakest P5 league, but the presence of Stanford/Cal there makes it much more difficult to treat them like the rest of the G5. Maybe they wouldn’t prevail on that argument and still be relegated to G(6?) status, but at a minimum, a new Pac-12 with Stanford/Cal and one without Stanford/Cal would be looked at much differently. (Note that whether SMU is in that new Pac-12 is dependent on the ACC expansion, too.)

Plus, these commissioners and presidents have good reason to not deal in hypotheticals. They don’t want to make a preemptive judgement on whether a hypothetical league where we don’t know the members or if it can even exist would be a power conference or not. At the same time, when you have at least have 3 conferences that are being impacted by the decisions of the Pac-4 (ACC, MWC and AAC) plus the fact that the Pac-12 still exists as a legal entity itself with voting rights, it pretty much stunts all action with so many different conflicts of interest.

Couldn't find it again, but I did read an article yesterday that the lack of decision by the ACC DID get some administrators to say some of these topics would not be dealt with in the meeting today. They would mainly deal with logistics as they were planning before the Big 10 assassinated the Pac (visiting teams seating, etc.).

I'm wondering if this small delay could impact the whole Stanford/Cal-to-ACC deal? We've gone from trying to wrap things up before the season starts right into Week 1. That can't be good.

(08-30-2023 12:44 PM)Claw Wrote:  I'm wondering if this small delay could impact the whole Stanford/Cal-to-ACC deal? We've gone from trying to wrap things up before the season starts right into Week 1. That can't be good.

... and the longer they wait the less valuable Califord and SMU become, in that the ACC and other conferences will have more leverage. This does not matter in the slightest I would imagine, as those three probably don't have much leverage to begin with.

I wonder what SMU is thinking now; are they going to up their offer, stand pat or withdraw their application? What deadlines are they facing? I could argue that they have more power in this situation than Cal or Stanford does.

(08-30-2023 11:58 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:52 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:50 AM)Poster Wrote:  Well, still no word on when Monday night's meeting will be rescueduled.

Doesn't seem like a good sign for Cal, Stanford and SMU. It would seem kind of weird that the ACC wouldn't be in more of a hurry to reschedule the meeting if there currently were 12 or more votes for their admission. I mean, it's not just that the meeting hasn't occurred yet- it's that the meeting seemingly hasn't been rescheduled at all.

The tragedy at UNC altered the timeline and there are CFP meetings today. I wouldn’t read anything into it.

Perhaps. I guess that the Monday meeting seemingly hadn't been scheduled until a few hours before it was supposed to occur, so these meetings can get scheduled pretty quickly.

Still, if there's been no meeting by the end of Friday (or even worse, no meeting has been scheduled by the end of Friday), I definitely think that would be a bad sign for Cal, Stanford and SMU. Even if you suppose that tomorrow might be a travel day for the conference commissioner, there's pretty much no reason whatsoever why a meeting couldn't occur Friday. And Thamel has already cited Week 1 of the football season as being a soft deadline for ACC expansion.

Actually, yes there is. Multiple ACC schools play Thursday and Friday. Those are some of the busier days for university presidents as they have to mingle with big donors, administrators from other schools, etc.

Doesn't mean Thursday and Friday are impossible, but it would be awfully inconvenient for at least 2 presidents. I'd look to next Tuesday.

(08-30-2023 12:44 PM)Claw Wrote:  I'm wondering if this small delay could impact the whole Stanford/Cal-to-ACC deal? We've gone from trying to wrap things up before the season starts right into Week 1. That can't be good.

A school that has the votes for admission shouldn't want there to be even a brief delay on the votes. You don't want there to be any time for schools to rethink their vote to admit your school to the conference.

Stanford, Cal and probably even SMU's invites seem like about a 99% certain inevitability on Monday. But now with Andrea Adelson reporting that there's no evidence that schools would vote any differently than they did on August 9, and there being no announcement on when the ACC meeting will be rescheduled to, their invites seem far less inevitable.

(08-30-2023 01:24 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:58 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:52 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:50 AM)Poster Wrote:  Well, still no word on when Monday night's meeting will be rescueduled.

Doesn't seem like a good sign for Cal, Stanford and SMU. It would seem kind of weird that the ACC wouldn't be in more of a hurry to reschedule the meeting if there currently were 12 or more votes for their admission. I mean, it's not just that the meeting hasn't occurred yet- it's that the meeting seemingly hasn't been rescheduled at all.

The tragedy at UNC altered the timeline and there are CFP meetings today. I wouldn’t read anything into it.

Perhaps. I guess that the Monday meeting seemingly hadn't been scheduled until a few hours before it was supposed to occur, so these meetings can get scheduled pretty quickly.

Still, if there's been no meeting by the end of Friday (or even worse, no meeting has been scheduled by the end of Friday), I definitely think that would be a bad sign for Cal, Stanford and SMU. Even if you suppose that tomorrow might be a travel day for the conference commissioner, there's pretty much no reason whatsoever why a meeting couldn't occur Friday. And Thamel has already cited Week 1 of the football season as being a soft deadline for ACC expansion.

Actually, yes there is. Multiple ACC schools play Thursday and Friday. Those are some of the busier days for university presidents as they have to mingle with big donors, administrators from other schools, etc.

Doesn't mean Thursday and Friday are impossible, but it would be awfully inconvenient for at least 2 presidents. I'd look to next Tuesday.

They could hold the meeting Thursday or Friday morning or early afternoon even if they want to attend the football game in the evening. It's not like the university presidents are like the coaches whose whole day will be dominated by a football game that doesn't begin until 6 pm.

(08-30-2023 01:24 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:58 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:52 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:50 AM)Poster Wrote:  Well, still no word on when Monday night's meeting will be rescueduled.

Doesn't seem like a good sign for Cal, Stanford and SMU. It would seem kind of weird that the ACC wouldn't be in more of a hurry to reschedule the meeting if there currently were 12 or more votes for their admission. I mean, it's not just that the meeting hasn't occurred yet- it's that the meeting seemingly hasn't been rescheduled at all.

The tragedy at UNC altered the timeline and there are CFP meetings today. I wouldn’t read anything into it.

Perhaps. I guess that the Monday meeting seemingly hadn't been scheduled until a few hours before it was supposed to occur, so these meetings can get scheduled pretty quickly.

Still, if there's been no meeting by the end of Friday (or even worse, no meeting has been scheduled by the end of Friday), I definitely think that would be a bad sign for Cal, Stanford and SMU. Even if you suppose that tomorrow might be a travel day for the conference commissioner, there's pretty much no reason whatsoever why a meeting couldn't occur Friday. And Thamel has already cited Week 1 of the football season as being a soft deadline for ACC expansion.

Actually, yes there is. Multiple ACC schools play Thursday and Friday. Those are some of the busier days for university presidents as they have to mingle with big donors, administrators from other schools, etc.

Doesn't mean Thursday and Friday are impossible, but it would be awfully inconvenient for at least 2 presidents. I'd look to next Tuesday.

I actually do not comprehend the inability to grasp this. The tragedy of the murder, the loss of a faculty member, the concern for the student body and the trauma they've been through and we are worried about a decision which won't even transpire for a year being postponed a few days? I'd say the priorities were in the correct place. You deal with what is immediate, painful, and necessary and worry about the rest later. Nobody on the other end of this will fail to understand why! Yet in one thread I locked Poster claimed nobody died. Now he is pushing on a subject which reasonable minds grasp.

I suggest we all put the realignment aspects on hold, and don't post about it until the immediate situation is behind those dealing with it, and let the President at North Carolina take care of his people.

The inability let this happen is becoming a concern for me. Poking at this issue is callous and unneeded.

(08-30-2023 01:32 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 01:24 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:58 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:52 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:50 AM)Poster Wrote:  Well, still no word on when Monday night's meeting will be rescueduled.

Doesn't seem like a good sign for Cal, Stanford and SMU. It would seem kind of weird that the ACC wouldn't be in more of a hurry to reschedule the meeting if there currently were 12 or more votes for their admission. I mean, it's not just that the meeting hasn't occurred yet- it's that the meeting seemingly hasn't been rescheduled at all.

The tragedy at UNC altered the timeline and there are CFP meetings today. I wouldn’t read anything into it.

Perhaps. I guess that the Monday meeting seemingly hadn't been scheduled until a few hours before it was supposed to occur, so these meetings can get scheduled pretty quickly.

Still, if there's been no meeting by the end of Friday (or even worse, no meeting has been scheduled by the end of Friday), I definitely think that would be a bad sign for Cal, Stanford and SMU. Even if you suppose that tomorrow might be a travel day for the conference commissioner, there's pretty much no reason whatsoever why a meeting couldn't occur Friday. And Thamel has already cited Week 1 of the football season as being a soft deadline for ACC expansion.

Actually, yes there is. Multiple ACC schools play Thursday and Friday. Those are some of the busier days for university presidents as they have to mingle with big donors, administrators from other schools, etc.

Doesn't mean Thursday and Friday are impossible, but it would be awfully inconvenient for at least 2 presidents. I'd look to next Tuesday.

They could hold the meeting Thursday or Friday morning or early afternoon even if they want to attend the football game in the evening. It's not like the university presidents are like the coaches whose whole day will be dominated by a football game that doesn't begin until 6 pm.

One thing is for sure if they don't vote before the weekend games. A bunch of Presidents are going to get an earful from influential supporters. I could be wrong, but it seems like that would trend negative. There's three schools involved. Any given booster could oppose just one of them and cause a little commotion. I think they need to get it done before the weekend.