(08-20-2023 04:29 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  

(08-20-2023 04:21 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-20-2023 04:12 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  The AAC makes zero sense unless with MWC schools. It seems more like attempted leverage with the MWC. Why would Oregon St and Washington St consider the AAC? All that travel for non-power money. I don’t buy it unless the AAC thinks they can bring on 4-6 MWC schools.

What's funny is we talk about the PAC helping to pay exit fees, but from the 990's the AAC is the one sitting on currently 100 million in Net Assets, in comparison to 42 million for the PAC and only 5 million for the MWC. The AAC actually has the cash on hand to help fund exit fees if they really wanted to. There were people mentioning they were shocked the AAC schools didn't have as large a distribution gap from the MWC as expected, and it's because they are sitting on a lot of money. The AAC's financial position is way way way stronger than the MWC right now. The AAC actually has the money on hand to do a lot more creative things to improve the league.

Travel + Geography is the issue, despite more money WSU already came out and said that any idea that involves to much travel East will not happen. Why the realistic options are a full merger with the MWC and maybe add some AAC schools or picking from the best of the rest. Then the time issue comes in, the longer this goes on the worse it gets for both meaning the MWC merger is the best option.

Since we really don't know what " to much travel east" might mean & the fact that a primary MWC content with some AAC involvement might still be too much travel east, it remains in a TBD category. And there have been several media reports that Aresco has presented an org with beneficial travel considerations (whatever that means), so again it would remain in a TBD category. All of which is on hold until Stanford decides what they are going to do.

(08-21-2023 01:44 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 01:23 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 11:59 AM)goofus Wrote:  Boo hoo. Wash St got outgrown by its P5 and PAC-12 co-members a long time ago. #212 in US News academic rankings and 26k football attendance. They are a perfect fit for the MWC. Realignment is finally fixing what Wash St should have fixed itself years ago.

Wow. Hopefully you won't see Iowa on the outside of the P1 one day.

Yep, karma could easily turn that comment against Iowa one day.

Humility and empathy instead of punching down would've been a much better look.

I fully acknowledge that Iowa would not make the cut if the P2 consolidated into a P1. I have been saying that for a long time. If Iowa was left out of a P1 conference, my response would be "That's fair". That does not change my opinion at all concerning Wash St. Eventually all the schools will find their proper levels.

(08-21-2023 01:44 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 01:23 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 11:59 AM)goofus Wrote:  Boo hoo. Wash St got outgrown by its P5 and PAC-12 co-members a long time ago. #212 in US News academic rankings and 26k football attendance. They are a perfect fit for the MWC. Realignment is finally fixing what Wash St should have fixed itself years ago.

Wow. Hopefully you won't see Iowa on the outside of the P1 one day.

Yep, karma could easily turn that comment against Iowa one day.

Humility and empathy instead of punching down would've been a much better look.

Wazzu & ORST got enough of that type of treatment from the rest of the PAC...i'm a big believer in karma...

What if USC/UCLA/OR/WA end up beating on IA when they get to the B1G???...would that be part of karma???

(08-20-2023 08:03 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(08-20-2023 05:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Well--one thing this interview makes clear is nobody---including SDSU---ever had an invite to the Pac12. Sounds like they had some members who were too elitist to ever get on board with anyone available.

Or maybe "some members" eyeing the Pac-12 exit ramp weren't interested in an expansion that might impact their ability to leave?

Like what we're seeing with FSU, Clemson and others in the ACC

I think the PAC failed to expand because universities all were looking to leave. Although one difference between that and the current ACC situation is that FSU and Clemson still have 13 more years in the ACC.

(08-21-2023 02:36 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 01:44 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 01:23 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 11:59 AM)goofus Wrote:  Boo hoo. Wash St got outgrown by its P5 and PAC-12 co-members a long time ago. #212 in US News academic rankings and 26k football attendance. They are a perfect fit for the MWC. Realignment is finally fixing what Wash St should have fixed itself years ago.

Wow. Hopefully you won't see Iowa on the outside of the P1 one day.

Yep, karma could easily turn that comment against Iowa one day.

Humility and empathy instead of punching down would've been a much better look.

I fully acknowledge that Iowa would not make the cut if the P2 consolidated into a P1. I have been saying that for a long time. If Iowa was left out of a P1 conference, my response would be "That's fair". That does not change my opinion at all concerning Wash St. Eventually all the schools will find their proper levels.

WSU is 6th in the PAC in TV ratings. Here is an interesting chart regarding viewership between PAC/B12/ACC teams. WSU is at #8.

https://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2022/...viewership

TV viewership is what drives conference realignment. WSU seems to fight above its weight class.

Whitman County has a population of 47K. 26K attendance in a 32K stadium is pretty good when you consider UCLA draws just 44K (giving tickets away for free) in a stadium that holds more than twice that much in a county of nearly 10 million. If you consider Long Beach and Anaheim in those numbers you get close to 14 million.

(08-21-2023 05:10 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(08-20-2023 08:03 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(08-20-2023 05:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Well--one thing this interview makes clear is nobody---including SDSU---ever had an invite to the Pac12. Sounds like they had some members who were too elitist to ever get on board with anyone available.

Or maybe "some members" eyeing the Pac-12 exit ramp weren't interested in an expansion that might impact their ability to leave?

Like what we're seeing with FSU, Clemson and others in the ACC

I think the PAC failed to expand because universities all were looking to leave. Although one difference between that and the current ACC situation is that FSU and Clemson still have 13 more years in the ACC.

I watched the interview. Not sure he was talking about getting back to 12 as expanding. He mentions 14 to help keep schools from looking around and says ten makes it difficult to keep a school from straying.

I expect more details will come out when the PAC is either completely terminated or backfills.

(08-21-2023 06:38 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  WSU is 6th in the PAC in TV ratings. Here is an interesting chart regarding viewership between PAC/B12/ACC teams. WSU is at #8.

https://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2022/...viewership

TV viewership is what drives conference realignment. WSU seems to fight above its weight class.

Whitman County has a population of 47K. 26K attendance in a 32K stadium is pretty good when you consider UCLA draws just 44K (giving tickets away for free) in a stadium that holds more than twice that much in a county of nearly 10 million. If you consider Long Beach and Anaheim in those numbers you get close to 14 million.

Yep. Wazzu has a significant number of students and alumni west of the Cascades. With their presence in Seattle, their TV numbers aren't bad. Seattle is a large metro area that sends a lot of students to the other side of the mountains for school.

But their location is their downfall. They're 4 1/2 hours from Seattle and 1:20 from Spokane. It's just hard to get to, especially when the weather is bad.

If they were located almost anywhere else in the state, their attendance numbers would be bigger. But the politicians of early-day Washington State weren't considering things such as market size or big-time college athletics when they established their land-grant school. So the Coogs will most likely end up in some sort of G5-level conference.

(08-21-2023 06:44 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 05:10 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(08-20-2023 08:03 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(08-20-2023 05:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Well--one thing this interview makes clear is nobody---including SDSU---ever had an invite to the Pac12. Sounds like they had some members who were too elitist to ever get on board with anyone available.

Or maybe "some members" eyeing the Pac-12 exit ramp weren't interested in an expansion that might impact their ability to leave?

Like what we're seeing with FSU, Clemson and others in the ACC

I think the PAC failed to expand because universities all were looking to leave. Although one difference between that and the current ACC situation is that FSU and Clemson still have 13 more years in the ACC.

I watched the interview. Not sure he was talking about getting back to 12 as expanding. He mentions 14 to help keep schools from looking around and says ten makes it difficult to keep a school from straying.

I expect more details will come out when the PAC is either completely terminated or backfills.

I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but doesn't it make more sense for the PAC teams to join the AAC? Then a year later we send out invites to the best teams in the MWC.

If they just go to the MWC they're still left on an island west of the most coveted time zone for exposure, the Central Time Zone.

I guess you guys could poach a couple teams from the AAC, but why would they want to be left on that island?

We also have the best media deal with ESPN. We can get more money.