Disclaimer: I am NOT endorsing this. However, he makes an interesting argument. There are no valuable football additions, but basketball has to be worth something - it has "some" value. UConn could give us Duke-UConn and Duke-UNC twice a year. They also don't bring the travel complications like CaliStan.

UConn to ACC

As a fan UConn adds a lot to Men's basketball and Women's basketball but then Stanford and Cal add a lot to Olympic Sports as they are the #1 and #4 producers of Olympic athletes.

Based on travel alone, I'd have to go with UConn and pair them up with SMU because of there 7 years of forgoing conference payments. Of course ESPN has to sign off on the deal and I don't think they will.

As we've seen with this current Stanford/Cal situation and the proposed expansion to 9 conference games in the SEC and ACC, ESPN isn't giving up a dime.

So probably no adding teams until we lose teams. We just have to hope that the B12 leaves the rest of the eastern time zone G5 schools alone or else we'd really be screwed.

(08-17-2023 02:08 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  As a fan UConn adds a lot to Men's basketball and Women's basketball but then Stanford and Cal add a lot to Olympic Sports as they are the #1 and #4 producers of Olympic athletes.

Based on travel alone, I'd have to go with UConn and pair them up with SMU because of there 7 years of forgoing conference payments. Of course ESPN has to sign off on the deal and I don't think they will.

As we've seen with this current Stanford/Cal situation and the proposed expansion to 9 conference games in the SEC and ACC, ESPN isn't giving up a dime.

So probably no adding teams until we lose teams. We just have to hope that the B12 leaves the rest of the eastern time zone G5 schools alone or else we'd really be screwed.

The Big XII will NOT leave anything they think the ACC wants. They are being very strategic in their additions (so are the Big Ten). If the ACC is counting on good teams being available in the ETZ, I'm afraid they will be very disappointed.

It's time to learn from past mistakes, not to repeat them.

(08-17-2023 03:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 02:08 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  As a fan UConn adds a lot to Men's basketball and Women's basketball but then Stanford and Cal add a lot to Olympic Sports as they are the #1 and #4 producers of Olympic athletes.

Based on travel alone, I'd have to go with UConn and pair them up with SMU because of there 7 years of forgoing conference payments. Of course ESPN has to sign off on the deal and I don't think they will.

As we've seen with this current Stanford/Cal situation and the proposed expansion to 9 conference games in the SEC and ACC, ESPN isn't giving up a dime.

So probably no adding teams until we lose teams. We just have to hope that the B12 leaves the rest of the eastern time zone G5 schools alone or else we'd really be screwed.

The Big XII will NOT leave anything they think the ACC wants. They are being very strategic in their additions (so are the Big Ten). If the ACC is counting on good teams being available in the ETZ, I'm afraid they will be very disappointed.

It's time to learn from past mistakes, not to repeat them.

Phase 1 -- Stanford, SMU

Phase 2 -- UConn, USF

(08-17-2023 04:01 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 03:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 02:08 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  As a fan UConn adds a lot to Men's basketball and Women's basketball but then Stanford and Cal add a lot to Olympic Sports as they are the #1 and #4 producers of Olympic athletes.

Based on travel alone, I'd have to go with UConn and pair them up with SMU because of there 7 years of forgoing conference payments. Of course ESPN has to sign off on the deal and I don't think they will.

As we've seen with this current Stanford/Cal situation and the proposed expansion to 9 conference games in the SEC and ACC, ESPN isn't giving up a dime.

So probably no adding teams until we lose teams. We just have to hope that the B12 leaves the rest of the eastern time zone G5 schools alone or else we'd really be screwed.

The Big XII will NOT leave anything they think the ACC wants. They are being very strategic in their additions (so are the Big Ten). If the ACC is counting on good teams being available in the ETZ, I'm afraid they will be very disappointed.

It's time to learn from past mistakes, not to repeat them.

Phase 1 -- Stanford, SMU

Phase 2 -- UConn, USF

UCONN's obstacles:
- Football is nearly all the revenue. The ACC has a revenue problem. UCONN may not only not help with this, it may actively hurt unless they get partial shares for some considerable time.
- Boston College wants to be the only power program in New England
- The suing antics are not forgotten
- No interest at all likely from football firsts ... FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, VT, ND

(08-17-2023 04:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 04:01 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 03:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 02:08 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  As a fan UConn adds a lot to Men's basketball and Women's basketball but then Stanford and Cal add a lot to Olympic Sports as they are the #1 and #4 producers of Olympic athletes.

Based on travel alone, I'd have to go with UConn and pair them up with SMU because of there 7 years of forgoing conference payments. Of course ESPN has to sign off on the deal and I don't think they will.

As we've seen with this current Stanford/Cal situation and the proposed expansion to 9 conference games in the SEC and ACC, ESPN isn't giving up a dime.

So probably no adding teams until we lose teams. We just have to hope that the B12 leaves the rest of the eastern time zone G5 schools alone or else we'd really be screwed.

The Big XII will NOT leave anything they think the ACC wants. They are being very strategic in their additions (so are the Big Ten). If the ACC is counting on good teams being available in the ETZ, I'm afraid they will be very disappointed.

It's time to learn from past mistakes, not to repeat them.

Phase 1 -- Stanford, SMU

Phase 2 -- UConn, USF

I'd be good with this too.


You gotta wonder ... If Stanford can't sniff an invite to the ACC, Big Ten or SEC ... how the hell does Virginia get one to the P2?

I'm still amazed at how the Big12 destroyed the ACC in the realignment game. After OU and UT left the ACC could have picked anyone from that league including the Texas schools and passed. They also passed on Cincinnati and UCF
Then let the BIG12 pick off Pac12 schools only leaving tye remaining 4 to pick from. The ACC was never going to catch the P2 but could have been the 3rd conference by far and gotten some nice ACC Network revenues and flushed all those opportunities.

(08-17-2023 07:50 PM)max cat 70 Wrote:  I'm still amazed at how the Big12 destroyed the ACC in the realignment game. After OU and UT left the ACC could have picked anyone from that league including the Texas schools and passed. They also passed on Cincinnatic and UCF
Then let the BIG12 pick off Pac12 schools only leaving tye remaining 4 to pick from. The ACC was never going to catch the P2 but could have been the 3rd conference by far and gotten some nice ACC Network revenues and flushed all those opportunities.

I think it’s too early to tell. The Big12 just added 4 very strong G5 schools with potential…plus 4 PAC schools but 3 of those 4 have fair to poor football programs. Time will tell but the verdict isn’t in yet.

(08-17-2023 01:25 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Disclaimer: I am NOT endorsing this. However, he makes an interesting argument. There are no valuable football additions, but basketball has to be worth something - it has "some" value. UConn could give us Duke-UConn and Duke-UNC twice a year. They also don't bring the travel complications like CaliStan.

UConn to ACC

Mmmm you forgot Cuse-Yukon

6OT game, numerous top 10 matchups

(08-18-2023 02:54 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 01:25 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Disclaimer: I am NOT endorsing this. However, he makes an interesting argument. There are no valuable football additions, but basketball has to be worth something - it has "some" value. UConn could give us Duke-UConn and Duke-UNC twice a year. They also don't bring the travel complications like CaliStan.

UConn to ACC

Mmmm you forgot Cuse-Yukon

6OT game, numerous top 10 matchups

Louisville-UConn too. 2 traditional powers. Louisville won't be down in basketball forever.

I don't think the ACC should be in the development business.

The only plus I see for Uconn is the hatred with BC. Could this rise to the level of Duke/UNC or Louisville/Kentucky? I think it is too late.

(08-18-2023 09:35 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't think the ACC should be in the development business.

The only plus I see for Uconn is the hatred with BC. Could this rise to the level of Duke/UNC or Louisville/Kentucky? I think it is too late.

That rivalry wouid be good for BC basketball.

UConn basketball is valuable. But the value of UConn as a whole is probably far less than the value of an average ACC team.

For the remaining G5 teams in terms of value, I would say

Navy > SMU/Memphis/USF > UConn > Tulane/Temple/etc.

Navy is not a regular university. Memphis doesn’t have academics. SMU may be in this time. USF would get an invitation if FSU/Miami leaves. UConn would be considered if four or more ACC schools leave at the same time.

(08-18-2023 11:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  UConn basketball is valuable. But the value of UConn as a whole is probably far less than the value of an average ACC team.

For the remaining G5 teams in terms of value, I would say

Navy > SMU/Memphis/USF > UConn > Tulane/Temple/etc.

Navy is not a regular university. Memphis doesn’t have academics. SMU may be in this time. USF would get an invitation if FSU/Miami leaves. UConn would be considered if four or more ACC schools leave at the same time.

I hope the ACC has told USF in no uncertain terms that they WILL be invited as soon as there is an opening.

Yukon should be offered a ND type deal

Olympic Sports fully in
4 or 5 game scheduling agreement a year and ability to grab a bowl game.

(08-19-2023 03:00 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Yukon should be offered a ND type deal

Olympic Sports fully in
4 or 5 game scheduling agreement a year and ability to grab a bowl game.

Mark, save your keystrokes.
UConn is not going to be invited to join the ACC....ever.

(08-17-2023 05:34 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 04:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 04:01 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 03:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-17-2023 02:08 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  As a fan UConn adds a lot to Men's basketball and Women's basketball but then Stanford and Cal add a lot to Olympic Sports as they are the #1 and #4 producers of Olympic athletes.

Based on travel alone, I'd have to go with UConn and pair them up with SMU because of there 7 years of forgoing conference payments. Of course ESPN has to sign off on the deal and I don't think they will.

As we've seen with this current Stanford/Cal situation and the proposed expansion to 9 conference games in the SEC and ACC, ESPN isn't giving up a dime.

So probably no adding teams until we lose teams. We just have to hope that the B12 leaves the rest of the eastern time zone G5 schools alone or else we'd really be screwed.

The Big XII will NOT leave anything they think the ACC wants. They are being very strategic in their additions (so are the Big Ten). If the ACC is counting on good teams being available in the ETZ, I'm afraid they will be very disappointed.

It's time to learn from past mistakes, not to repeat them.

Phase 1 -- Stanford, SMU

Phase 2 -- UConn, USF

I'd be good with this too.


You gotta wonder ... If Stanford can't sniff an invite to the ACC, Big Ten or SEC ... how the hell does Virginia get one to the P2?

aau ...
one of America’s finest universities founded by one of America’s greatest statesman ...
upper echelon in basketball ...
contiguous ...
reunited w/ mary land ...
no pro sports statewide (cuts both ways) ...
uncharted territory ...
bridge to carolina ...

TAKE A STAB AT

(08-19-2023 03:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-19-2023 03:00 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Yukon should be offered a ND type deal

Olympic Sports fully in
4 or 5 game scheduling agreement a year and ability to grab a bowl game.

Mark, save your keystrokes.
UConn is not going to be invited to join the ACC....ever.

I know UConn is bad but there is a new school called Yukon. They don't sue.

Serious question for Southern ACC fans

I know you guys don't like traveling north of Virginia...how the hell would the fanbase react to a B1G invite? Not like any of us getting that TV money.

You think Pitt, Cuse and BC are bad enough...you want to travel to B1G stadiums in late October through Thanksgiving?