Time to unveil "That magic get out of the ACC" card.

Today is the day -- for some decision on Cal, Stanford and SMU.

FSU is not ready it sounds like, or they were just throwing their weight around.

I’m guessing nothing happens.

I’LL HUFF & I’LL PUFF & I’LL BLOW BLOW BLOW

We would have known yesterday, they would have to call a BOT meeting 24 hours in advance of announcing their exit...

I doubt FSU will announce leaving the ACC today because the Grant of Rights will be something that will be difficult to overcome. It seems like there have been a lot of people examining the Grant of Rights agreement so if there was a flaw in the agreement, we likely would have heard something by now.

(08-15-2023 09:30 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I doubt FSU will announce leaving the ACC today because the Grant of Rights will be something that will be difficult to overcome. It seems like there have been a lot of people examining the Grant of Rights agreement so if there was a flaw in the agreement, we likely would have heard something by now.

Bingo. It was laughable to hear FSU claim that the GOR would not be the document that keeps them from taking action. If they try to escape the GOR next year without ESPN's help (i.e. brokered solution), then it would be a kamikaze strategy.

(08-15-2023 09:35 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 09:30 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I doubt FSU will announce leaving the ACC today because the Grant of Rights will be something that will be difficult to overcome. It seems like there have been a lot of people examining the Grant of Rights agreement so if there was a flaw in the agreement, we likely would have heard something by now.

Bingo. It was laughable to hear FSU claim that the GOR would not be the document that keeps them from taking action. If they try to escape the GOR next year without ESPN's help (i.e. brokered solution), then it would be a kamikaze strategy.

Without ESPN's help. Those are the words that describe where realignment of all kinds must happen. ESPN's needs must be met.

What are those needs/wants? First, I believe they want to keep the Big Ten out of the southeast. That is a red line, IMO. Second, they would like to keep the ACCN, of which they own 50%, a reliable cash cow producing somewhere in the neighborhood of $100M a year for them. There may be other wants, but these are the ones that will determine what the ACC can or cannot do in the near future.

One potential solution that would meet both those needs, and also stands a chance of getting ACC members to agree to is this. Let FSU leave, but only if they go to the SEC. They absolutely cannot go to the B1G. And FSU must be willing to pay a high price to go to the SEC. Of all possible additions to the SEC, only FSU stands to gain more than just the higher media revenue. They have a lot of empty seats that will get filled in the SEC, and that translates to millions of dollars in annual revenue that other schools wouldn't enjoy.

But if ESPN were to allow any other ACC teams leave they would severely damage that league. Instead, they could look elsewhere for an 18th SEC member and add Kansas. They would jump in a heartbeat and gladly pay whatever exit fees the Big 12 demands.

How do you then get the ACC to approve the departure of FSU? Cash, and lots of it. There are only 11 votes today to add Cal and Stanford. Without FSU, 11 would now be enough. Without FSU, the ACC now has only 13 football members. If they also add SMU to go to 16, they bring both California and Texas into the ACCN. If ESPN would agree to add all three schools pro rata, and those three would agree to join for less than a full revenue share (and I believe they are desperate enough to agree to that) the legacy ACC schools could see a revenue boost in the $6-8 million range. Add to that exit penalties from FSU of $20-25 million a year for the remainder of the ACC GoR and that might be enough to move the needle.

But ESPN is the lynchpin. Without their blessing, none of this is possible.

(08-15-2023 10:18 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 09:35 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 09:30 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I doubt FSU will announce leaving the ACC today because the Grant of Rights will be something that will be difficult to overcome. It seems like there have been a lot of people examining the Grant of Rights agreement so if there was a flaw in the agreement, we likely would have heard something by now.

Bingo. It was laughable to hear FSU claim that the GOR would not be the document that keeps them from taking action. If they try to escape the GOR next year without ESPN's help (i.e. brokered solution), then it would be a kamikaze strategy.

Without ESPN's help. Those are the words that describe where realignment of all kinds must happen. ESPN's needs must be met.

What are those needs/wants? First, I believe they want to keep the Big Ten out of the southeast. That is a red line, IMO. Second, they would like to keep the ACCN, of which they own 50%, a reliable cash cow producing somewhere in the neighborhood of $100M a year for them. There may be other wants, but these are the ones that will determine what the ACC can or cannot do in the near future.

One potential solution that would meet both those needs, and also stands a chance of getting ACC members to agree to is this. Let FSU leave, but only if they go to the SEC. They absolutely cannot go to the B1G. And FSU must be willing to pay a high price to go to the SEC. Of all possible additions to the SEC, only FSU stands to gain more than just the higher media revenue. They have a lot of empty seats that will get filled in the SEC, and that translates to millions of dollars in annual revenue that other schools wouldn't enjoy.

But if ESPN were to allow any other ACC teams leave they would severely damage that league. Instead, they could look elsewhere for an 18th SEC member and add Kansas. They would jump in a heartbeat and gladly pay whatever exit fees the Big 12 demands.

How do you then get the ACC to approve the departure of FSU? Cash, and lots of it. There are only 11 votes today to add Cal and Stanford. Without FSU, 11 would now be enough. Without FSU, the ACC now has only 13 football members. If they also add SMU to go to 16, they bring both California and Texas into the ACCN. If ESPN would agree to add all three schools pro rata, and those three would agree to join for less than a full revenue share (and I believe they are desperate enough to agree to that) the legacy ACC schools could see a revenue boost in the $6-8 million range. Add to that exit penalties from FSU of $20-25 million a year for the remainder of the ACC GoR and that might be enough to move the needle.

But ESPN is the lynchpin. Without their blessing, none of this is possible.

https://twitter.com/MattHayesCFB/status/...5242992641

perhaps, fsu is not wanted ...

DID IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU

I’m not gonna ridicule FSU for saying what everyone is just thinking. Every team in The ACC has this problem. I won’t criticize FSU for voicing their concerns.

Personally I would hate to see FSU leave. They are simply ACC irreplaceable. However the folks in Tallahassee have to look out for their own interests. As fans we should all understand that.

(08-15-2023 07:49 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Today is the day -- for some decision on Cal, Stanford and SMU.

More like later this week.

(08-15-2023 11:00 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I’m not gonna ridicule FSU for saying what everyone is just thinking. Every team in The ACC has this problem. I won’t criticize FSU for voicing their concerns.

Personally I would hate to see FSU leave. They are simply ACC irreplaceable. However the folks in Tallahassee have to look out for their own interests. As fans we should all understand that.

I would propose that ESPN and SEC trade Mizzou and Vandy for FSU.

Then the SEC adds Kansas.

Then the ACC replaces FSU with USF.

Voila - no more cancer.

ACC West - Mizzou/Vandy/SMU/Tulane/GT/Louis
ACC South - USF/Clemson/NC State/UNC/Duke/UVa
ACC North - Miami/VT/WF/BC/Syr/Pitt

(08-15-2023 11:00 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I’m not gonna ridicule FSU for saying what everyone is just thinking. Every team in The ACC has this problem. I won’t criticize FSU for voicing their concerns.

Personally I would hate to see FSU leave. They are simply ACC irreplaceable. However the folks in Tallahassee have to look out for their own interests. As fans we should all understand that.

hundreds of millions disbursed + usf w/ a cozy on-campus stadium ...

EASE THE PAIN

(08-15-2023 11:09 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 11:00 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I’m not gonna ridicule FSU for saying what everyone is just thinking. Every team in The ACC has this problem. I won’t criticize FSU for voicing their concerns.

Personally I would hate to see FSU leave. They are simply ACC irreplaceable. However the folks in Tallahassee have to look out for their own interests. As fans we should all understand that.

I would propose that ESPN and SEC trade Mizzou and Vandy for FSU.

Then the SEC adds Kansas.

Then the ACC replaces FSU with USF.

Voila - no more cancer.

I don't know about the Mizzou/Vandy part, but I think the "no more cancer" part is more important than a lot of ACC fans appreciate. Just sayin'.

(08-15-2023 10:54 AM)green Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 10:18 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 09:35 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 09:30 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I doubt FSU will announce leaving the ACC today because the Grant of Rights will be something that will be difficult to overcome. It seems like there have been a lot of people examining the Grant of Rights agreement so if there was a flaw in the agreement, we likely would have heard something by now.

Bingo. It was laughable to hear FSU claim that the GOR would not be the document that keeps them from taking action. If they try to escape the GOR next year without ESPN's help (i.e. brokered solution), then it would be a kamikaze strategy.

Without ESPN's help. Those are the words that describe where realignment of all kinds must happen. ESPN's needs must be met.

What are those needs/wants? First, I believe they want to keep the Big Ten out of the southeast. That is a red line, IMO. Second, they would like to keep the ACCN, of which they own 50%, a reliable cash cow producing somewhere in the neighborhood of $100M a year for them. There may be other wants, but these are the ones that will determine what the ACC can or cannot do in the near future.

One potential solution that would meet both those needs, and also stands a chance of getting ACC members to agree to is this. Let FSU leave, but only if they go to the SEC. They absolutely cannot go to the B1G. And FSU must be willing to pay a high price to go to the SEC. Of all possible additions to the SEC, only FSU stands to gain more than just the higher media revenue. They have a lot of empty seats that will get filled in the SEC, and that translates to millions of dollars in annual revenue that other schools wouldn't enjoy.

But if ESPN were to allow any other ACC teams leave they would severely damage that league. Instead, they could look elsewhere for an 18th SEC member and add Kansas. They would jump in a heartbeat and gladly pay whatever exit fees the Big 12 demands.

How do you then get the ACC to approve the departure of FSU? Cash, and lots of it. There are only 11 votes today to add Cal and Stanford. Without FSU, 11 would now be enough. Without FSU, the ACC now has only 13 football members. If they also add SMU to go to 16, they bring both California and Texas into the ACCN. If ESPN would agree to add all three schools pro rata, and those three would agree to join for less than a full revenue share (and I believe they are desperate enough to agree to that) the legacy ACC schools could see a revenue boost in the $6-8 million range. Add to that exit penalties from FSU of $20-25 million a year for the remainder of the ACC GoR and that might be enough to move the needle.

But ESPN is the lynchpin. Without their blessing, none of this is possible.

https://twitter.com/MattHayesCFB/status/...5242992641

perhaps, fsu is not wanted ...

DID IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Whatever Sankey may be saying in public doesn't preclude him from pursuing the opposite in private.

(08-15-2023 11:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 11:09 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 11:00 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I’m not gonna ridicule FSU for saying what everyone is just thinking. Every team in The ACC has this problem. I won’t criticize FSU for voicing their concerns.

Personally I would hate to see FSU leave. They are simply ACC irreplaceable. However the folks in Tallahassee have to look out for their own interests. As fans we should all understand that.

I would propose that ESPN and SEC trade Mizzou and Vandy for FSU.

Then the SEC adds Kansas.

Then the ACC replaces FSU with USF.

Voila - no more cancer.

I don't know about the Mizzou/Vandy part, but I think the "no more cancer" part is more important than a lot of ACC fans appreciate. Just sayin'.

There are no stupid athletic ego problems at Vandy or Mizzou. Outside of the SEC, Vandy can be as competitive as WF is right now in the ACC.

Tennessee and Kansas will continue to play them. UK and Bama will continue to play Vandy. OU and Arkansas will play Mizzou.

Always remember, Tennessee is nothing but Western NC - the State of Franklin.

Quote:Matt Hayes is an award-winning writer who has covered college football for over 25 years. Currently, Matt writes for Saturday Down South and Stadium. He has also written for Florida Times Union and Sporting News.

mr hayes has better contacts than you, mr d ...

NUFF SAID

(08-15-2023 11:17 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 10:54 AM)green Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 10:18 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 09:35 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-15-2023 09:30 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I doubt FSU will announce leaving the ACC today because the Grant of Rights will be something that will be difficult to overcome. It seems like there have been a lot of people examining the Grant of Rights agreement so if there was a flaw in the agreement, we likely would have heard something by now.

Bingo. It was laughable to hear FSU claim that the GOR would not be the document that keeps them from taking action. If they try to escape the GOR next year without ESPN's help (i.e. brokered solution), then it would be a kamikaze strategy.

Without ESPN's help. Those are the words that describe where realignment of all kinds must happen. ESPN's needs must be met.

What are those needs/wants? First, I believe they want to keep the Big Ten out of the southeast. That is a red line, IMO. Second, they would like to keep the ACCN, of which they own 50%, a reliable cash cow producing somewhere in the neighborhood of $100M a year for them. There may be other wants, but these are the ones that will determine what the ACC can or cannot do in the near future.

One potential solution that would meet both those needs, and also stands a chance of getting ACC members to agree to is this. Let FSU leave, but only if they go to the SEC. They absolutely cannot go to the B1G. And FSU must be willing to pay a high price to go to the SEC. Of all possible additions to the SEC, only FSU stands to gain more than just the higher media revenue. They have a lot of empty seats that will get filled in the SEC, and that translates to millions of dollars in annual revenue that other schools wouldn't enjoy.

But if ESPN were to allow any other ACC teams leave they would severely damage that league. Instead, they could look elsewhere for an 18th SEC member and add Kansas. They would jump in a heartbeat and gladly pay whatever exit fees the Big 12 demands.

How do you then get the ACC to approve the departure of FSU? Cash, and lots of it. There are only 11 votes today to add Cal and Stanford. Without FSU, 11 would now be enough. Without FSU, the ACC now has only 13 football members. If they also add SMU to go to 16, they bring both California and Texas into the ACCN. If ESPN would agree to add all three schools pro rata, and those three would agree to join for less than a full revenue share (and I believe they are desperate enough to agree to that) the legacy ACC schools could see a revenue boost in the $6-8 million range. Add to that exit penalties from FSU of $20-25 million a year for the remainder of the ACC GoR and that might be enough to move the needle.

But ESPN is the lynchpin. Without their blessing, none of this is possible.

https://twitter.com/MattHayesCFB/status/...5242992641

perhaps, fsu is not wanted ...

DID IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Whatever Sankey may be saying in public doesn't preclude him from pursuing the opposite in private.

Sankey does not strike me as dumb.

The FSU of 1990 was a power.
The FSU of 2025 is a parasitic creature that has to feed off Auburn, Georgia, Clemson, and others to survive.

Who in the SEC do you know that approaches matters with bluster and bull ****? Even SC is well behaved which is always difficult for Sandlapper Gamecocks.

The SEC is the epitome of good businessmen. FSU is not.

(08-15-2023 10:54 AM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/MattHayesCFB/status/...5242992641

perhaps, fsu is not wanted ...

DID IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU

That would break your heart, wouldn't it, Green?