(08-13-2023 10:05 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 10:02 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 09:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  First, he has to be convicted.

And before that he has to be tried. I don't believe that any of the primary players - - prosecution or defense - - has any interest in that ever happening.

This is all just to keep him off the campaign trail.

Or - - and I know that we have a different viewpoint on this Bartlett - - to keep him ON the campaign trail. The one and only candidate that the DNC and media are praying will emerge as the Republican nominee.

(08-13-2023 10:07 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 10:05 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 10:02 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 09:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  First, he has to be convicted.

And before that he has to be tried. I don't believe that any of the primary players - - prosecution or defense - - has any interest in that ever happening.

This is all just to keep him off the campaign trail.

Or - - and I know that we have a different viewpoint on this Bartlett - - to keep him ON the campaign trail. The one and only candidate that the DNC and media are praying will emerge as the Republican nominee.

I understand that view, though I don't necessarily subscribe to it. It certainly is a possibility.

But I'm not so sure the Left isn't in reality absolutely terrified of him. We shall see.

(08-13-2023 10:10 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 10:07 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 10:05 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 10:02 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 09:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  First, he has to be convicted.

And before that he has to be tried. I don't believe that any of the primary players - - prosecution or defense - - has any interest in that ever happening.

This is all just to keep him off the campaign trail.

Or - - and I know that we have a different viewpoint on this Bartlett - - to keep him ON the campaign trail. The one and only candidate that the DNC and media are praying will emerge as the Republican nominee.

I understand that view, though I don't necessarily subscribe to it. It certainly is a possibility.

But I'm not so sure the Left isn't in reality absolutely terrified of him. We shall see.

Don’t understand that view prompted by Adopotmonarch. Trump already was leading DeSantis and others by double digits well before a hint of indictments were about to drop. He doesn’t need help from Dems in securing the nomination . Even now with DeSantis faltering, the Dems are still piling on with indictments. This planned out a long time ago well before Trump made his announcement to run again — everyone with a reasonable thinking capacity figured this was the direction the Deep State was heading years ago — including the late Rush Limbaugh

(08-13-2023 10:21 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Don’t understand that view prompted by Adopotmonarch. Trump already was leading DeSantis and others by double digits well before a hint of indictments were about to drop. He doesn’t need help from Dems in securing the nomination . Even now with DeSantis faltering, the Dems are still piling on with indictments. This planned out a long time ago well before Trump made his announcement to run again — everyone with a reasonable thinking capacity figured this was the direction the Deep State was heading years ago — including the late Rush Limbaugh

I tend to go along with this line of thinking.

If Trump somehow gets to the General Election against whomever - he is going to lose for the same reasons he won in 16 - the silent voters.

We are in the midst of a loudest yelling contest. These polls are dumb... they represent 0.00001% of the voters but somehow this equates into Trump wins? I am not buying any of it. Is Joe Biden a dipschit - yup - and he should he even run in 24 - No he shouldn't, but the DNC will roll his corpse out there and he will probably still win because Trump is THAT much of an asshat.

I am as republican as it gets, but I am not really a fan of Trump taking office again. The constant drama and turmoil... it is tiring and nobody will budge a fraction of an inch on either side because of it. It will be 4 years of "I'm rubber you're glue", bragging, and hearings where nobody gets in actual trouble.

The R's have nobody sane to run at the moment. I liked what Desantis did during covid, but he has dropped the ball since.

If the election was today I am not sure who I would vote for or if I would vote at all.... I do honestly think Trump's overall intentions are for the good of the country (even if he gains personally) but it comes with such a huge mental drain.... the rest are not qualified and/or corrupt scumbags....

It is depressing.

(08-13-2023 10:02 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 09:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  First, he has to be convicted.

And before that he has to be tried. I don't believe that any of the primary players - - prosecution or defense - - has any interest in that ever happening.

Certainly not anywhere other than DC.

(08-13-2023 10:07 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 10:05 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 10:02 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 09:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  First, he has to be convicted.

And before that he has to be tried. I don't believe that any of the primary players - - prosecution or defense - - has any interest in that ever happening.

This is all just to keep him off the campaign trail.

Or - - and I know that we have a different viewpoint on this Bartlett - - to keep him ON the campaign trail. The one and only candidate that the DNC and media are praying will emerge as the Republican nominee.

Why smear chit all over your face to make the other guy look bad? I just don’t see your reasoning. Trump has always had a lead and was always going to have a lead. Why pump that up and risk making him a martyr to the middle? This line of thought just doesn’t make sense to me. But unlike Gin Breath, I don’t know everything.

(08-13-2023 10:39 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 10:21 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Don’t understand that view prompted by Adopotmonarch. Trump already was leading DeSantis and others by double digits well before a hint of indictments were about to drop. He doesn’t need help from Dems in securing the nomination . Even now with DeSantis faltering, the Dems are still piling on with indictments. This planned out a long time ago well before Trump made his announcement to run again — everyone with a reasonable thinking capacity figured this was the direction the Deep State was heading years ago — including the late Rush Limbaugh

I tend to go along with this line of thinking.

If Trump somehow gets to the General Election against whomever - he is going to lose for the same reasons he won in 16 - the silent voters.

We are in the midst of a loudest yelling contest. These polls are dumb... they represent 0.00001% of the voters but somehow this equates into Trump wins? I am not buying any of it. Is Joe Biden a dipschit - yup - and he should he even run in 24 - No he shouldn't, but the DNC will roll his corpse out there and he will probably still win because Trump is THAT much of an asshat.

I am as republican as it gets, but I am not really a fan of Trump taking office again. The constant drama and turmoil... it is tiring and nobody will budge a fraction of an inch on either side because of it. It will be 4 years of "I'm rubber you're glue", bragging, and hearings where nobody gets in actual trouble.

The R's have nobody sane to run at the moment. I liked what Desantis did during covid, but he has dropped the ball since.

If the election was today I am not sure who I would vote for or if I would vote at all.... I do honestly think Trump's overall intentions are for the good of the country (even if he gains personally) but it comes with such a huge mental drain.... the rest are not qualified and/or corrupt scumbags....

It is depressing.

It’s more depressing that some of you consider not voting because you don’t like the trauma of the democrats and media attacking Trump night and day.

Do you not understand the same will happen with ANY republican? Get over it. A republican that doesn’t fight back hard and salty will get steamrolled in short order.

(08-13-2023 11:56 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It’s more depressing that some of you consider not voting because you don’t like the trauma of the democrats and media attacking Trump night and day.

Do you not understand the same will happen with ANY republican? Get over it. A republican that doesn’t fight back hard and salty will get steamrolled in short order.

As I have stated many times, I will vote for Trump over Biden. (Although I will be very surprised if Biden is the 2024 Democrat nominee.)

Having said that, if you don’t understand the concept of “Trump Exhaustion”, WSME, then you really don’t understand the American electorate. You may not agree, and that perhaps is to your credit, but there are tens of millions of voters who would rather not be bothered by political extracurriculars. That, unfortunately, is pretty much all that Donald Trump brings to the table.

The shere kahn chorus of “filth v. nonfilth” is an easy equation to understand. Yet it is fundamentally out of touch with how the American electorate functions. Plenty just want a candidate who will do what the job requires, and leave behind the vaudeville act.

I will vote for Trump over any democrat if he needs my vote in Texas. My guess is that he won't need me, so I can vote my usual Libertarian protest vote.

Think about recent presidential elections: Trump v. Biden, Trump v. Hillary, Obama v. Romney, Obama v. McCain, GWB v. Kerry, GWB v. Gore. That's 12 candidate slots (some more than once). Would anyone say that any one of the people who occupied any of them properly belongs among our brightest best. The most powerful person in the world, and all we can get are a bunch of losers. How bad is that?

(08-13-2023 10:21 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Don’t understand that view prompted by Adopotmonarch. Trump already was leading DeSantis and others by double digits well before a hint of indictments were about to drop. He doesn’t need help from Dems in securing the nomination . Even now with DeSantis faltering, the Dems are still piling on with indictments. This planned out a long time ago well before Trump made his announcement to run again — everyone with a reasonable thinking capacity figured this was the direction the Deep State was heading years ago — including the late Rush Limbaugh

The left is not concerned with the Republican primaries, BTM. They, like most on this board, are betting that he has that already locked up.

The left instead is playing for the general election, for which they want to face a completely discredited Trump.

(08-13-2023 12:15 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 11:56 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It’s more depressing that some of you consider not voting because you don’t like the trauma of the democrats and media attacking Trump night and day.

Do you not understand the same will happen with ANY republican? Get over it. A republican that doesn’t fight back hard and salty will get steamrolled in short order.

As I have stated many times, I will vote for Trump over Biden. (Although I will be very surprised if Biden is the 2024 Democrat nominee.)

Having said that, if you don’t understand the concept of “Trump Exhaustion”, WSME, then you really don’t understand the American electorate. You may not agree, and that perhaps is to your credit, but there are tens of millions of voters who would rather not be bothered by political extracurriculars. That, unfortunately, is pretty much all that Donald Trump brings to the table.

The shere kahn chorus of “filth v. nonfilth” is an easy equation to understand. Yet it is fundamentally out of touch with how the American electorate functions. Plenty just want a candidate who will do what the job requires, and leave behind the vaudeville act.

Just dont vote or vote for a dem

You are not worth the trouble.

Acceptable loss.

It will be Trump an your whining will be incessant.

(08-13-2023 12:23 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 10:21 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Don’t understand that view prompted by Adopotmonarch. Trump already was leading DeSantis and others by double digits well before a hint of indictments were about to drop. He doesn’t need help from Dems in securing the nomination . Even now with DeSantis faltering, the Dems are still piling on with indictments. This planned out a long time ago well before Trump made his announcement to run again — everyone with a reasonable thinking capacity figured this was the direction the Deep State was heading years ago — including the late Rush Limbaugh

The left is not concerned with the Republican primaries, BTM. They, like most on this board, are betting that he has that already locked up.

The left instead is playing for the general election, for which they want to face a completely discredited Trump.

If they stick with Jokin’ Joe, Trump won’t be the most discredited of the choices.
I would also say as for voter exhaustion, Biden has caused a Carter malaise that is there, only not as reported in the media as it was then.
I also don’t believe Biden will be the eventual candidate. I think there is a good chance he quits close enough to the election to cancel any primary. In true democrat-socialist-communist- tyrant fashion they will then just huddle in a room and choose their candidate.

(08-13-2023 02:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 12:23 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 10:21 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Don’t understand that view prompted by Adopotmonarch. Trump already was leading DeSantis and others by double digits well before a hint of indictments were about to drop. He doesn’t need help from Dems in securing the nomination . Even now with DeSantis faltering, the Dems are still piling on with indictments. This planned out a long time ago well before Trump made his announcement to run again — everyone with a reasonable thinking capacity figured this was the direction the Deep State was heading years ago — including the late Rush Limbaugh

The left is not concerned with the Republican primaries, BTM. They, like most on this board, are betting that he has that already locked up.

The left instead is playing for the general election, for which they want to face a completely discredited Trump.

If they stick with Jokin’ Joe, Trump won’t be the most discredited of the choices.
I would also say as for voter exhaustion, Biden has caused a Carter malaise that is there, only not as reported in the media as it was then.
I also don’t believe Biden will be the eventual candidate. I think there is a good chance he quits close enough to the election to cancel any primary. In true democrat-socialist-communist- tyrant fashion they will then just huddle in a room and choose their candidate.

I am absolutely convinced that the bolded above is the way that the Democrats plan to manipulate their 2024 nomination process.

(08-13-2023 05:00 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 02:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 12:23 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 10:21 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Don’t understand that view prompted by Adopotmonarch. Trump already was leading DeSantis and others by double digits well before a hint of indictments were about to drop. He doesn’t need help from Dems in securing the nomination . Even now with DeSantis faltering, the Dems are still piling on with indictments. This planned out a long time ago well before Trump made his announcement to run again — everyone with a reasonable thinking capacity figured this was the direction the Deep State was heading years ago — including the late Rush Limbaugh

The left is not concerned with the Republican primaries, BTM. They, like most on this board, are betting that he has that already locked up.

The left instead is playing for the general election, for which they want to face a completely discredited Trump.

If they stick with Jokin’ Joe, Trump won’t be the most discredited of the choices.
I would also say as for voter exhaustion, Biden has caused a Carter malaise that is there, only not as reported in the media as it was then.
I also don’t believe Biden will be the eventual candidate. I think there is a good chance he quits close enough to the election to cancel any primary. In true democrat-socialist-communist- tyrant fashion they will then just huddle in a room and choose their candidate.

I am absolutely convinced that the bolded above is the way that the Democrats plan to manipulate their 2024 nomination process.

his name is Gavin Newsom ... I don't feel like making another meme...

@>270EVsBlueBakedInn(191) ... (AM)

(08-13-2023 05:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 05:00 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 02:42 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 12:23 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-13-2023 10:21 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Don’t understand that view prompted by Adopotmonarch. Trump already was leading DeSantis and others by double digits well before a hint of indictments were about to drop. He doesn’t need help from Dems in securing the nomination . Even now with DeSantis faltering, the Dems are still piling on with indictments. This planned out a long time ago well before Trump made his announcement to run again — everyone with a reasonable thinking capacity figured this was the direction the Deep State was heading years ago — including the late Rush Limbaugh

The left is not concerned with the Republican primaries, BTM. They, like most on this board, are betting that he has that already locked up.

The left instead is playing for the general election, for which they want to face a completely discredited Trump.

If they stick with Jokin’ Joe, Trump won’t be the most discredited of the choices.
I would also say as for voter exhaustion, Biden has caused a Carter malaise that is there, only not as reported in the media as it was then.
I also don’t believe Biden will be the eventual candidate. I think there is a good chance he quits close enough to the election to cancel any primary. In true democrat-socialist-communist- tyrant fashion they will then just huddle in a room and choose their candidate.

I am absolutely convinced that the bolded above is the way that the Democrats plan to manipulate their 2024 nomination process.

his name is Gavin Newsom ... I don't feel like making another meme...

@>270EVsBlueBakedInn(191) ... (AM)

Maybe. Maybe a long shot but killing two birds with one stone, Joe Manchin.