(08-09-2023 09:05 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  This Pat Forde tweet of two hours ago doesn't seem to mesh with what Pete Thamel just tweeted.

https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/16...8053047297

Idk. The headline frankly doesnt mesh with the details. Momentum building--but dont appear to have the votes? Sounds like momentum may have stalled out short of the goal line.

(08-09-2023 09:50 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-09-2023 09:32 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  The latest from Ross Dellenger:

https://sports.yahoo.com/acc-expansion-o...06388.html

Good article. Mr Dellenger describes one ACC source as saying ESPN's willingness to support three new pro-rata shares is key.

That’s odd, as we’ve been told by several sources that any ACC adds would be pro rata. Perhaps the issue is not ESPN’s support, but whether money earmarked for the new members could instead be redirected?

(08-10-2023 12:18 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-09-2023 09:50 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-09-2023 09:32 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  The latest from Ross Dellenger:

https://sports.yahoo.com/acc-expansion-o...06388.html

Good article. Mr Dellenger describes one ACC source as saying ESPN's willingness to support three new pro-rata shares is key.

That’s odd, as we’ve been told by several sources that any ACC adds would be pro rata. Perhaps the issue is not ESPN’s support, but whether money earmarked for the new members could instead be redirected?

Well the Big 12 had a pro rata in 2016, but Fox and ESPN threw a fit and forced them to back off.

This isn't going anywhere. Notre Dama may be pushing, but FSU's AD had the best resspones when he said he'd vote for them if Notre Dame joins as a full member in Football.

(08-09-2023 09:52 PM)Poster Wrote:  Thamel really hasn’t done very well in 2023. He infamously write an article saying that Texas and OU were almost certain to be in the Big 12 in 2024 about two days before the Big 12 agreed to let them leave early. And just seven days ago, he seemed to think it was no better than 50/50 that Oregon and UW would get Big Ten invites. Even Dennis Dodds, who everybody scoffs at, seems to have had a better 2023 than Thamel.

(08-09-2023 09:53 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(08-09-2023 09:48 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(08-09-2023 09:45 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  More likely Cal and Stanford let OSU and WSU go to the MW and then rebuild the Pac-12 as an Olympic sports conference:

California
Stanford
UC Santa Barbara
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC San Diego
UC Riverside
Hawaii

Cal and Stanford go independent in football.

Wouldn't it be easier for Cal to join the Big West and for Stanford to join the WCC instead of rebuilding the PAC?

No because Cal does not want to be associated with CSU schools, and I do believe they would like to stay together.

Berkeley and Bakersfield sharing a league lol. I don’t see it either.

(08-10-2023 12:23 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

This isn't going anywhere. Notre Dama may be pushing, but FSU's AD had the best resspones when he said he'd vote for them if Notre Dame joins as a full member in Football.

FSU claims that they want to make up that $30m per year shortfall, and adding CaliStanSMU has the potential to get them about 1/4 of it. I could care less about their AD's barbs at ND, but I am curious what numbers he's looking at that make him think that the proposed adds aren't worth it. Perhaps my figures were too optimistic.

(08-10-2023 12:04 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-09-2023 09:05 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  This Pat Forde tweet of two hours ago doesn't seem to mesh with what Pete Thamel just tweeted.

https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/16...8053047297

Idk. The headline frankly doesnt mesh with the details. Momentum building--but dont appear to have the votes? Sounds like momentum may have stalled out short of the goal line.

"Momentum building" implies they don't have the votes ... and also suggests they are closer to having them than previously. You don't need to discuss "momentum" if they have the votes ... at that point the discussion is "are meeting on X when they are expected to ..."

One wonders whether Stanford would be willing to join with just SMU. It removes Stanford's single easy away trip, and eliminates travel partner scheduling for incumbent ACC schools, but would ease sports that cannot engage in travel partner scheduling.

(08-10-2023 08:11 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-10-2023 12:04 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-09-2023 09:05 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  This Pat Forde tweet of two hours ago doesn't seem to mesh with what Pete Thamel just tweeted.

https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/16...8053047297

Idk. The headline frankly doesnt mesh with the details. Momentum building--but dont appear to have the votes? Sounds like momentum may have stalled out short of the goal line.

"Momentum building" implies they don't have the votes ... and also suggests they are closer to having them than previously. You don't need to discuss "momentum" if they have the votes ... at that point the discussion is "are meeting on X when they are expected to ..."

One wonders whether Stanford would be willing to join with just SMU. It removes Stanford's single easy away trip, and eliminates travel partner scheduling for incumbent ACC schools, but would ease sports that cannot engage in travel partner scheduling.

Correct. They reportedly have 10 votes but NC State and Va. Tech are the swing votes that could get the ACC to the needed 12.

(08-09-2023 09:45 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  More likely Cal and Stanford let OSU and WSU go to the MW and then rebuild the Pac-12 as an Olympic sports conference:

California
Stanford
UC Santa Barbara
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC San Diego
UC Riverside
Hawaii

Cal and Stanford go independent in football.

This is a fantastic idea. Pull in all of the University of California campuses save UCLA for all sports but football. Let Stanford and Cal go independent in football. It would protect the most non-revenue sports from the ravages of crazy travel. I like it.

(08-10-2023 09:51 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(08-09-2023 09:45 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  More likely Cal and Stanford let OSU and WSU go to the MW and then rebuild the Pac-12 as an Olympic sports conference:

California
Stanford
UC Santa Barbara
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC San Diego
UC Riverside
Hawaii

Cal and Stanford go independent in football.

This is a fantastic idea. Pull in all of the University of California campuses save UCLA for all sports but football. Let Stanford and Cal go independent in football. It would protect the most non-revenue sports from the ravages of crazy travel. I like it.

I agree, but with some football scheduling reservations. Are Cal and Stanford going to schedule UConn, New Mexico State, UMass, Army, Navy, etc...? The late-season scheduling becomes more challenging for independents.

(08-10-2023 12:23 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  ....
This isn't going anywhere. Notre Dama may be pushing, but FSU's AD had the best response when he said he'd vote for them if Notre Dame joins as a full member in Football.

Well, let's remember that anecdote is a Bigfoot story (MHver3). We do have credible reports of unnamed officials expressing annoyance to reporters, though—that Notre Dame would push for league expansion without contributing to the cause itself.

This is from David Teel. He agrees with Forde. Teel is The ACC media mouthpiece. He’s usually close to ACC leadership.

The last line I posted below is interesting.

https://richmond.com/sports/college/acc-...2af12.html

I remain skeptical, but less so than at week’s start. As one source said: “The other day I would have said no way. Today I would say a strong maybe.”

(I was able to read the first time. Then a paywall popped up. If you use an iPhone or iPad switch to the reader, as the piece is loading, the article will be available without ads.)

Stanford with SMU would be acceptable. Inviting Cal would be a huge mistake.

(08-11-2023 04:35 AM)XLance Wrote:  Stanford with SMU would be acceptable. Inviting Cal would be a huge mistake.

Stanford with SMU would give 1.3 media shares to hand out ... perhaps Stanford's 0.3 for travel subsidies and SMU's 1.0 for a "competition fund" for schools based on CFP and top bowl appearances over the previous four years.

As far as ACCN revenues, Stanford, Cal, or both all contribute pretty much the same revenue, while SMU would be additive there as well.

(08-09-2023 09:48 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(08-09-2023 09:45 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  More likely Cal and Stanford let OSU and WSU go to the MW and then rebuild the Pac-12 as an Olympic sports conference:

California
Stanford
UC Santa Barbara
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC San Diego
UC Riverside
Hawaii

Cal and Stanford go independent in football.

Wouldn't it be easier for Cal to join the Big West and for Stanford to join the WCC instead of rebuilding the PAC?

Maybe, but this way they get to stay together, handpick their league, and retain the PAC’s basketball credits.

(08-11-2023 04:35 AM)XLance Wrote:  Stanford with SMU would be acceptable. Inviting Cal would be a huge mistake.

You don’t get one without the other. They’re joined at the hip.

(08-11-2023 05:57 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(08-09-2023 09:48 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(08-09-2023 09:45 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  More likely Cal and Stanford let OSU and WSU go to the MW and then rebuild the Pac-12 as an Olympic sports conference:

California
Stanford
UC Santa Barbara
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC San Diego
UC Riverside
Hawaii

Cal and Stanford go independent in football.

Wouldn't it be easier for Cal to join the Big West and for Stanford to join the WCC instead of rebuilding the PAC?

Maybe, but this way they get to stay together, handpick their league, and retain the PAC’s basketball credits.

... and also retain the PAC's CFP money for 2024 & 2025. Since they are revising the current deal for the first two years of the CFP12, the PAC retains a veto on such a substantial contract revision, so they can't take that money away no matter how the system is restructured.

If they are willing to give full shares to new members, they easily have enough money to attract six new members. However, since it is a fixed pile of cash being divided up, the more members they invite, the more they reduce their own share and the less surplus each new member has after paying exit fees.

Doesn’t matter if Stanford and Cal want to be together or apart. If you are ACC you don’t want to cross the country for one basketball game or volleyball match.

What do WasSU and OrSU get for leaving the PAC name with CaliStan?
I'd negotiate a severance exit.