I wonder if Norte Dame is pushing the ACC to add Stanford?

Maybe the ACC's thinking (at least in part) is to get Cal and Stanford now so that if the league loses multiple members in the future, already having the two West Coast schools will help (at least with numbers).

(08-07-2023 02:32 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I definitely see the likes of Duke/UNC/UVA/GT/Miami pushing for Cal/Stanford. It will be a challenge to get the support of the likes of Clemson and Florida St.

I've been saying the entire time that Cal and Stanford are the most likely additions. ESPN is obligated to pay pro-rata and there will be an increase in total ACCN revenue from adding the highest populated state in the country.

(08-07-2023 02:53 PM)JamesHowell Wrote:  FSU has to be celebrating. Any change to conference membership would require execution of new GoRs as the current GoR contemplated the conference membership as it currently stands. New members (or loss of members) would open a HUGE loophole.

They'd just sign the existing GOR.

FWIW, one of the trio Dan Wetzel, Ross Dellenger & SI’s Pat Forde in a podcast said the ACC is a "long shot".

https://sports.yahoo.com/next-steps-for-...JzEUwyxoiH

(08-07-2023 02:34 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Not going to happen.

Then what, you're going to push the most western side of that conference to force them to travel to California? The ones that already want to leave?

No, the ACC got rid of divisions. Everyone would just cycle through. Geography doesn't matter anymore.

Desperation Mode for ACC

Is this happening because of optics?

I'm sure the presidents would love to associate with 2 academic giants, but its a lot of headache for a small bump in revenue.

(08-07-2023 03:04 PM)Glenn360 Wrote:  Is this happening because of optics?

I'm sure the presidents would love to associate with 2 academic giants, but its a lot of headache for a small bump in revenue.

Headache for whom?

(08-07-2023 02:53 PM)JamesHowell Wrote:  FSU has to be celebrating. Any change to conference membership would require execution of new GoRs as the current GoR contemplated the conference membership as it currently stands. New members (or loss of members) would open a HUGE loophole.

This is untrue.

(08-07-2023 02:34 PM)rileylives Wrote:  Not going to happen.

Then what, you're going to push the most western side of that conference to force them to travel to California? The ones that already want to leave?

Football only would make sense.

(08-07-2023 03:02 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

Desperation Mode

For who though?

(08-07-2023 03:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 03:04 PM)Glenn360 Wrote:  Is this happening because of optics?

I'm sure the presidents would love to associate with 2 academic giants, but its a lot of headache for a small bump in revenue.

Headache for whom?

the schedule makers in non revenue sports.

This reads like a set-up for a quick pivot that Thamel is quite proficient at delivering.

Like last week for example:



A few hours later, the Ducks (and Huskies) had jumped in the B1G boat, while the Wildcats (along with the Sun Devils and Utes) confirmed they were on their way to the Big XII.

Back in February, the Big XII's internal discord was in the news:



Six days later, the Sooners and Horns were headed to the SEC for '24 after all.

Why would the ACC want Cal and Stanford to join?

How again is that gonna encourage FSU and Clemson to stick around?

Is ESPN gonna kick in more dollars to the ACC contract for the two Bay Area schools?

JMO, it's either the nothingest of nothing burgers ... or a set-up for some kind of move by the Big Ten or Big 12 that further destabilizes the Pac-12

I've said this in the context of the AAC previously but why couldn't/wouldn't a far-flunge conference (you name it as it applies) simply play FB & BB among all of the schools in some typical conference format but play non-rev sports "in-conference" by allowing conference schools to play a very limited in-conference schedule, say 4 games & allow conference schools to fill their remaining season schedule with area schools not a part of their conferences, then play a full in-conference competition in a tournament format to determine the conference champion for post-season play? That would virtually eliminate negative travel & costs yet still awards championships.

(08-07-2023 03:08 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  This reads like a set-up for a quick pivot that Thamel is quite proficient at delivering.

Like last week for example:



A few hours later, the Ducks (and Huskies) had jumped in the B1G boat, while the Wildcats (along with the Sun Devils and Utes) confirmed they were on their way to the Big XII.

Back in February, the Big XII's internal discord was in the news:



Six days later, the Sooners and Horns were headed to the SEC for '24 after all.

Why would the ACC want Cal and Stanford to join?

How again is that gonna encourage FSU and Clemson to stick around?

Is ESPN gonna kick in more dollars to the ACC contract for the two Bay Area schools?

JMO, it's either the nothingest of nothing burgers ... or a set-up for some kind of move by the Big Ten or Big 12 that further destabilizes the Pac-12

Poison pill. Two more schools that could vote to dissolve the ACC.

(08-07-2023 03:09 PM)BeepBeepJeep Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 03:08 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  This reads like a set-up for a quick pivot that Thamel is quite proficient at delivering.

Like last week for example:



A few hours later, the Ducks (and Huskies) had jumped in the B1G boat, while the Wildcats (along with the Sun Devils and Utes) confirmed they were on their way to the Big XII.

Back in February, the Big XII's internal discord was in the news:



Six days later, the Sooners and Horns were headed to the SEC for '24 after all.

Why would the ACC want Cal and Stanford to join?

How again is that gonna encourage FSU and Clemson to stick around?

Is ESPN gonna kick in more dollars to the ACC contract for the two Bay Area schools?

JMO, it's either the nothingest of nothing burgers ... or a set-up for some kind of move by the Big Ten or Big 12 that further destabilizes the Pac-12

Poison pill. Two more schools that could vote to dissolve the ACC.

Lol why would they do that? If anything it strengthens against a vote because they know what they're joining.

Pete: ESPN is obligated to pay pro-rata, how do you not know that?

(08-07-2023 02:39 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 02:36 PM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 02:28 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

I'm really not sure how Stanford and Cal make the ACC any better or more valuable.

Also interesting to see Duke vote for itself to become the second best academic school in the conference while UNC and UVa become the second/third best public schools in the league.

They would add California's to the ACC Network in-market footprint. That's a lot of cable subscribers paying I dunno $2 a month instead of $0.25 a month.

This comment is getting buried but it’s critical to understanding why Stanford and Cal could make financial sense for the ACC.

Former ESPN president John Skipper said that the ACC Network carriage deals *automatically* adds any new state to in-market basic cable rates. He’s the person that negotiated and signed the deal, so he’s a primary source. That’s the whole state of California getting a higher in-market cable fee for the ACC.

Nothing says Atlantic Coast like Stanford and Cal-Berkeley.

(08-07-2023 03:11 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 03:09 PM)BeepBeepJeep Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 03:08 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  This reads like a set-up for a quick pivot that Thamel is quite proficient at delivering.

Like last week for example:



A few hours later, the Ducks (and Huskies) had jumped in the B1G boat, while the Wildcats (along with the Sun Devils and Utes) confirmed they were on their way to the Big XII.

Back in February, the Big XII's internal discord was in the news:



Six days later, the Sooners and Horns were headed to the SEC for '24 after all.

Why would the ACC want Cal and Stanford to join?

How again is that gonna encourage FSU and Clemson to stick around?

Is ESPN gonna kick in more dollars to the ACC contract for the two Bay Area schools?

JMO, it's either the nothingest of nothing burgers ... or a set-up for some kind of move by the Big Ten or Big 12 that further destabilizes the Pac-12

Poison pill. Two more schools that could vote to dissolve the ACC.

Lol why would they do that? If anything it strengthens against a vote because they know what they're joining.

Pete: ESPN is obligated to pay pro-rata, how do you not know that?

Because maybe the B1G takes them if blowing up the ACC nets ND + FSU or something. Idk, but if you think either Cali or Stanford would care about the ACC vs reunited with the LA schools, well good luck with that.