(08-07-2023 09:54 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Wyoming will be left behind no matter what combination of schools the Pac-4 takes from the MWC, if the Pac-4 stays together. Wyoming's only option is for the MWC to stay together. Wyoming is going to publicly campaign vehemently to push their narrative.

CSU and Air Force won't allow Wyoming to be left behind. If they take two, they will have to take all 3.

(08-07-2023 09:54 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Wyoming will be left behind no matter what combination of schools the Pac-4 takes from the MWC, if the Pac-4 stays together. Wyoming's only option is for the MWC to stay together. Wyoming is going to publicly campaign vehemently to push their narrative.

Yep, WYO, UNM, USU are the new OSU and WSU. They have to be extremely nervous.

(08-07-2023 10:29 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 09:54 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Wyoming will be left behind no matter what combination of schools the Pac-4 takes from the MWC, if the Pac-4 stays together. Wyoming's only option is for the MWC to stay together. Wyoming is going to publicly campaign vehemently to push their narrative.

His mention of five (CSU, AFA, Wyo, UNM, USU) can block* ending buy-outs or dissolution. But two of those five (CSU, AFA) are not like the other three.

If his "five" becomes "three" because two got better offers, the three will be on the outside of whatever is next.


*I thought it was 50% to change rules; now I'm told it's 75%. Anyone know the correct answer for sure?

It is 75%.

Quote: 1.03 Voting Rights of Members. Each Member Institution shall be entitled to appoint one (1) director to
the Board of Directorsin accordance with Section 2.03. Member Institutions shall be entitled to vote with
respect to the dissolution of the Corporation pursuant to C.R.S. § 7‐134‐102. The affirmative vote of three‐
fourths (3/4) of the Member Institutions shall be required to dissolve the Conference. Member
Institutions shall have no other voting rights.

https://themw.com/documents/2022/8/18//A...f?id=10801

(08-07-2023 11:01 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  SJSU and Hawaii are the problem children. I’m surprised Nevada was clumped in that group as well. Nothing against those schools. Hoping the MWC picks up schools.

Well the front range is tied together. UNLV has market. Boise, Fresno and SDSU have value. So Hawaii, Nevada and Utah St. are the ones who could be at risk of being left out with San Jose St.

(08-07-2023 11:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  CSU and Air Force won't allow Wyoming to be left behind. If they take two, they will have to take all 3.

Like the Dub and Duck won't leave WasSU and OrSU behind?

Bloodsport.

Hawaii is a cheap add because they have shown a willingness to pay travel subsidies and forsake any conference TV money since they can do their own PPV deal.

(08-07-2023 11:23 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 10:29 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 09:54 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Wyoming will be left behind no matter what combination of schools the Pac-4 takes from the MWC, if the Pac-4 stays together. Wyoming's only option is for the MWC to stay together. Wyoming is going to publicly campaign vehemently to push their narrative.

His mention of five (CSU, AFA, Wyo, UNM, USU) can block* ending buy-outs or dissolution. But two of those five (CSU, AFA) are not like the other three.

If his "five" becomes "three" because two got better offers, the three will be on the outside of whatever is next.


*I thought it was 50% to change rules; now I'm told it's 75%. Anyone know the correct answer for sure?

It is 75%.

Quote: 1.03 Voting Rights of Members. Each Member Institution shall be entitled to appoint one (1) director to
the Board of Directorsin accordance with Section 2.03. Member Institutions shall be entitled to vote with
respect to the dissolution of the Corporation pursuant to C.R.S. § 7‐134‐102. The affirmative vote of three‐
fourths (3/4) of the Member Institutions shall be required to dissolve the Conference. Member
Institutions shall have no other voting rights.

https://themw.com/documents/2022/8/18//A...f?id=10801

That's dissolve.
Wouldn't "eliminate buy-out" be under 2.16© and just majority?

(08-07-2023 11:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 11:01 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  SJSU and Hawaii are the problem children. I’m surprised Nevada was clumped in that group as well. Nothing against those schools. Hoping the MWC picks up schools.

Well the front range is tied together. UNLV has market. Boise, Fresno and SDSU have value. So Hawaii, Nevada and Utah St. are the ones who could be at risk of being left out with San Jose St.

Hawaii does have value & academics, although you can see where academics got Cal & Stanford.

(08-07-2023 11:03 AM)whittx Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 10:59 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 10:36 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Reading between the lines, it’s clear that all of the MWC schools are telling each other that it would be foolish for any of them to defect to the Pac given the exit fee expense and the reality that a rebuilt Pac will not be a power conference. It’s also clear that all of the MWC schools are worried about other MWC schools doing it anyhow.

Agree 100% with that take.

Wyo AD thinks he has a front range of five. I think he has three (Wyo, UNM, USU) and CSU and USAFA have more and better options should it come to that.

Only way he has a conference is with the Dakota States, the Montanas. NMSU, and UTEP.

No thanks.

I’d rather stay in C-USA 4.0

Thankfully looks like SDSUs plan to pull "the best of the rest" was shot down, at least for now. If you can get all the MWC into a merger with at least OSU and Wazzu I don't see the point overcomplicating it. Merge the MWC with as many PAC remnants that want to join, get settled for 2024, then go after AAC schools that add value

(08-07-2023 09:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's not really wrong. Look at their athletic departments only and if you asked who's more valuable OSU/WSU or Boise/SDSU I think it's the latter and I don't think it's all that close.

Yep.

WSU and OSU are basically Colorado State, only with a P5 lottery ticket until now.

We take that as a compliment.

Signed, Cal and Stanford.

(08-09-2023 12:24 AM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  Thankfully looks like SDSUs plan to pull "the best of the rest" was shot down, at least for now. If you can get all the MWC into a merger with at least OSU and Wazzu I don't see the point overcomplicating it. Merge the MWC with as many PAC remnants that want to join, get settled for 2024, then go after AAC schools that add value

Get all four PAC 4, keep the PAC brand, send GK into retirement, and let Gloria Nevarez lose like a bull in the china shop and see how much she can do and have the balls to stand up to BY and grabs Gonzaga, and get the best of the AAC west side, and get a much better tv deal than what GK could have mustered.

(08-07-2023 10:36 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Reading between the lines, it’s clear that all of the MWC schools are telling each other that it would be foolish for any of them to defect to the Pac given the exit fee expense and the reality that a rebuilt Pac will not be a power conference. It’s also clear that all of the MWC schools are worried about other MWC schools doing it anyhow.

We’ve seen this story play out before. If any one MWC member breaks ranks, there’s a high risk that others will scramble to follow — not because they have the illusion that a rebuilt Pac will be a power conference, but because they think in the long run it will be a better conference than the one they’re in, and because no one wants to be left behind in a weakened MWC.

It only takes one John Welty to unravel a conference.

Thats really not wrong. The 4 schools left in the Pac12 probably have a substantially greater per school value than the current Mountain West. Using the Pac12 shell as a reset would allow a group of like minded schools to build a conference with higher per school revenue than they could create by just adding the Pac4 rump to the current MW. It might cost more in the short run---but the long run benefits would outweigh those short term costs. Its just a matter of how long before your reach a break even point.

Prior to the C7 leaving the Big East/AAC in late 2012----I suspect they had already spoken with networks enough to have a very good feel for how much the new C7 league would be worth. After all---they were able to put together a deal with FOX in just a couple of weeks after announcing their exit plans and they didnt even have a commissioner at the time. My guess is that is kinda where things are right now. They are trying to get a feel for what options/combinations are available---and what the best path forward both now and over the longer term might look like.

(08-07-2023 10:57 AM)solohawks Wrote:  leaving out 2 MWC schools at this point would be a pretty crummy thing to do

I mean I'm sure NMSU/UTEP wouldn't mind having 2 more far western members of CUSA.

(08-07-2023 11:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-07-2023 09:54 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Wyoming will be left behind no matter what combination of schools the Pac-4 takes from the MWC, if the Pac-4 stays together. Wyoming's only option is for the MWC to stay together. Wyoming is going to publicly campaign vehemently to push their narrative.

CSU and Air Force won't allow Wyoming to be left behind. If they take two, they will have to take all 3.

That's a nice sentiment but I believe CSU and AFA thought seriously of leaving for the AAC not too long ago with no mention of Wyoming.